thats why I dont like doubles (have one)

[IvW]

So the first 3 shots are ph, client, ph.....and not as you incorrectly assume ph, client, client......

 

[IvW]

Practice, Practice, Practice

We need to build up muscle memory and get to know your rifle.

We had a BASA shoot again yesterday, and in the hands of well practiced individuals over 3 ranges the doubles were again 20 seconds faster over the 3 ranges for the day than the fastest bolt actions. (Total time for 17 shots i.e. 72sec for double vs 92sec for bolts)

No disrespect to the PH, but in our simulations on the range, 2 more shots would have been fired already from the double. (I am a bolt guy)

EDIT: Looking at it again: count the shots coming from the right, did the PH not maybe top up his double again already? All kept their cool and the buff is dead and no one got hurt. Respect for that

But in SA we are still blessed to be able to reload ammo and shoot in excess of 100 big bore rounds just on a few shoots a year with ease.

Correct but shoot the course with weapon of choice loaded to capacity everytime(as you would in a true hunting situation) instead of trying to compensate for the double rifle shooters and the outcomes will be different.

Had the ph been using a 4 capacity big bore bolt instaed of a double...this buff would have been dead before he had to reach for cartridges....

You will see in the beginning one of the trackers(assuming it is a tracker and not a learner ph(is carrying a bolt action) which again I suspect is his 2nd backup rifle....maybe he has recently started using a dr...who knows

 

[IvW]

The other gripe I have is that too much with basa shoots has to do with time instead of accuracy....I was with Mauritz their(am still a member) but stopped shooting because of this.

Bang bang bang because of the shot clock vs bang develops the wrong muscle memory...

On a charging elephant target if you waited and shot 1 shot through the brain your score would be dismal but that is how it works in the field not bang bang bang in the same time frame for a higher score....

We will derail the thread.....

We can rather arrange a couple of cold ones and discuss around a rare plankie steak.....

 

[Ontario Hunter]

So the first 3 shots are ph, client, ph.....and not as you incorrectly assume ph, client, client......

Client shoots at the buff at the point when it is essentially stopped facing away. The shot clearly hits the dirt high and to the left of the buff. Then it turns broadside to decide if it wants to dive back in the brush (and no one can shoot the easy shot ... out of ammo?) before turning and going after the PH. Can anyone pick out the PH's second shot? He seems to have an empty gun when the buff clears the brush initially?

I agree, the PH should not have told the client to take the first shot. Very sloppy! The other bull may easily have been wounded. I would expect a pass through if hit that high in the shoulder.

 

[Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS]

Client shoots at the buff at the point when it is essentially stopped facing away. The shot clearly hits the dirt high and to the left of the buff. Then it turns broadside to decide if it wants to dive back in the brush (and no one can shoot the easy shot ... out of ammo?) before turning and going after the PH. Can anyone pick out the PH's second shot? He seems to have an empty gun when the buff clears the brush initially?

I agree, the PH should not have told the client to take the first shot. Very sloppy! The other bull may easily have been wounded. I would expect a pass through if hit that high in the shoulder.

Nope the client doesnt fire then
Fiddling with his gun

 

[IvW]

Client shoots at the buff at the point when it is essentially stopped facing away. The shot clearly hits the dirt high and to the left of the buff. Then it turns broadside to decide if it wants to dive back in the brush (and no one can shoot the easy shot ... out of ammo?) before turning and going after the PH. Can anyone pick out the PH's second shot? He seems to have an empty gun when the buff clears the brush initially?

I agree, the PH should not have told the client to take the first shot. Very sloppy! The other bull may easily have been wounded. I would expect a pass through if hit that high in the shoulder.

Can you ever say "I missed that?" or "I was wrong?"

I just clearly gave you the sequence and that is the PH second shot and NOT the clients second shot as he was dicking around with his rifle and that is why the PH was reloading as he had taken the second shot then.....

 

[VertigoBE]

PH, hunter and cameraman, all stood their ground, all kept firing and the first two even reloaded while being charged. I’d like to see any of the critics here do much better. This is worthy of praise more than anything else.

The original first shot on the buff should have been avoided, I agree. With the other buff behind it and the shot being a bit high. But stuff happens.

 

[grand veneur]

In all cases, the topic seems to interest the members more than the topic about the 1 shot kill. It's also right because you can only learn and gain experience through your own mistakes and those of others hunters.

If everything always went well in the beginning, it is far from certain that it will continue like this, unless you stop hunting. For this reason, it is better to just comment the videos, learn something from it, but not make any judgments. In all cases, never say that it had not happened to me because I would have done it much better. None of us know in advance how he would behave under the same circumstances.

 

[Tokoloshe Safaris]

Firing and missing does not count for a lot.
From the first hand cranked movie camera, the cameraman has always been the unsung hero.

 

[Huntsmans Bane]

Everything cannot be a one shot kill, things like that happen.

It is certainly advisable to use a rifle from which you can remove the scope, but the PH should also be armed with a big bore for backup. Does not seem to be the case here.

By the way, I would not have shot with the second buffalo behind.

This is what most people do not understand

 

[PCC600]

I have watched this video a couple of times - not a good look all round . The first shot should not have been taken . The other thing I noticed was 2 shots from the scoped rifle were too high - the initial hit and a later one which went over the buff when it was in close . I wonder if the scoped rifle had been sighted in for circa 200 metres but the actual shots were taken at sub 50m for the first and circa 5m for the latter . All my rifles are used in scrub . Those with scopes are all zeroed for an inch high at 50m. This works for me .

 

[Foxi]

Who ever practices lead on an incoming shot that is moving down hill.
Missing a moving grapefruit at 3 to 5 yards....
Lead is everything...
Glad everyone got out of that with their hides intact.

Practice session at the range:
Hang a grapefruit at face level from a string and have some one swing it at you.
If you miss, ....

Brick,

the cavity of the brain (I have just looked at a skull trophy again) of a buffalo is more the shape of a tube of toothpaste or an unbent banana, so even harder to hit directly than a wide grapefruit.

The radial pressure of a heavy bullet will probably do so much damage that you might not even have to hit it directly, but I've had amazing surprises with head shots on boars where I thought I was hitting the brain well...........


But: grey is all theory and green the golden tree of life (Goethe)

 

[KMG Hunting Safaris]

So the first 3 shots are ph, client, ph.....and not as you incorrectly assume ph, client, client......

100% Correct. First photo is Client's shot as can clearly be seen by the muzzle blast. Notice the time on the video.
Second photo, at moment of second shot. Notice time on video.

 

[Altitude sickness]

my opinion on shot sequence.
Charge Pictures are in this order

1st shot from PH head on

Second the hunter with bolt action is sighting over the scope. Good for him.

3rd picture hunter shoots his first shot during the charge and hammers the bull. The bull stumbles

Then the PH shoots and you see the bullet impact and dust to the left in front of the bull. Either a miss or a solid.

Either way. All did an outstanding job IMHO and proved their mettle

 

[BeeMaa]

Not sure how you come to this conclusion?

At 0:52 the client shoots. 0:54 the PH shoots and client has the bolt back but can't get it forward or down to shoot again and is still fumbling with it when he goes out of frame at 0:58. The next shot is at 1:01 and it looks like it was the client shooting...at least to me. This shot appears to go into the high center of the buffalo's back. Then the PH shoots one more time at 1:05 to brain the buffalo.

It's easy to armchair quarterback this video from a computer, I'm not denying that. But the client definitely had a CRF rifle and he definitely had a problem.

 

[Altitude sickness]

If you listen there are two shots close together when the hunter shoots during the charge. The PH shot right after the hunter.

Then the gun is most likely short stroked and double fed. I still do that occasionally.

Then I think while the hunter is clearing is jam over marked in blue. And the PH is reloading, marked in red. A shot is heard and follows the path marked in Yellow. There must be a third shooter.

Most likely from a grassy knoll

I thinks all did great. I would hunt with them.

 

[HankBuck]

It also highlights that the client should drill and drill and drill rapid fire until they can operate the rifle in a smart and swift manner.
Pisses me off when you can see the client hasnt put in practice on a DG hunt.

Im with @grand veneur on not taking the shot with the other buff behind

Norfolk Shooter, certainly agree any client MUST practice a lot (under field conditions) before going on a DG Safari. But how can a client practice “being charged” by a Buffalo? — (have his Wife scream at him and run towards him when she see his “Safari costs??”). Of course muscle memory improves thru practice and repetition but I have firearms I can load & operate in complete darkness - but doubt I could do that seeing a Buff charging me. I would think you’d need to be present for a few “charges” before you cold reliably function “similar” to normal.

 

[VertigoBE]

But how can a client practice “being charged” by a Buffalo? — (have his Wife scream at him and run towards him when she see his “Safari costs??”).

That might actually work... But on second thought, don't make the rookie mistake of calling her a buffalo... Unless you really want to be practicing dangerous game hunting.

 

[HankBuck]

and a guest with a fix scope-thats dung.
Mount down your scope when you search a wounded buff.

Both Hunter & PH showed real “nerve”, they held their ground and continued to attempt kill the buff, positioned themselves as needed for follow up shots — didn’t shoot each other, didn’t ”squeal like girls” (like I might of)….I’m really impressed by their actions !

 

[Vashper]

It also highlights that the client should drill and drill and drill rapid fire until they can operate the rifle in a smart and swift manner.
Pisses me off when you can see the client hasnt put in practice on a DG hunt.
....

One day, a neighbor on the shooting line (boar hunting), a very experienced hunter, managed to get a "double feeding" on a brand new R93. Which is almost impossible. As he explained, he did not have time to practice, but he really wanted to appear on the hunt with a new acquisition. And in an extreme situation, the skill of working with an ordinary bolt surfaced in his memory.
It is said that there were cases when very strong hunters broke off the handles.