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[Josh P]

We have a shorter life expectancy because we get more cool stuff to play with, blow up, drive fast, etc.! Also, the Clinton's don't have as many "friends" in Canada.

 

[Dragan N.]

I am a citizen of both the US and Canada, and have lived many years in both countries. I can assure you that the conclusions you are drawing from the data are absolutely wrong. The US has a far superior health care system to Canada. I could bore you with example after example, but suffice to say that the quality and availability of care in the US is in a different league than Canada.

If Harper had remained in office I believe he would have righted the health care ship. However, Trudeau has done his best to ensure that the country is financially unable to do so, even if there was a will to try.

I don't really see how your personal/anecdotal experience supplants the data. This reminds me of a conversation I had with a BLM activist. He was arguing that murder is a leading cause of death among young black men in America because racist white cops are killing black men. When I told him that most African Americans who get murdered are murdered by another African American (like over 90%) he proceeded to attack the FBI statistics. Then he brought up an anecdotal example of how the only black man he personally knew who got murdered was shot by white cops. He then went on, to rather emotionally, extrapolate that this applies to most if not all black men who get murdered. When looking at the statistics this is not true.

While I am sure your personal experience is very relevant to you, I don't really see how it negates the data.

If you want to talk about cost:
America spends 17.8% of its GDP on healthcare and has a life expectancy of 76 years.

Canada spends 13% of its GDP on healthcare and has a life expectancy of 82 years.

That's rather telling to me. Draw whatever conclusions you will from that.

Here is another interesting graph that looks at expected life expectancy at 65 years of age:

Health status - Life expectancy at 65 - OECD Data

Find, compare and share OECD data by indicator.

data.oecd.org

An American man who has reached 65 years of age is expected to live, on average, for another 17 years. Those same figures for a 65 year old Mexican, Colombian, and Brazilian man are 16.7, 17.4, and 17.4 years respectively. Icelandic men who have reached 65 years of age have the longest average expected life expectancy at 20.5 years. That same figure for a 65 year old Canadian man is 19.4 years. 65 year old people are probably unlikely to engage in particularly risky behavior. This probably explains the greatly increased life expectancy of South American men who reach the age of 65 as opposed to the average life expectancy at birth in their countries.

 

[mark-hunter]

65 year old people are probably unlikely to engage in particularly risky behavior.

Unless they are members of this forum, and suddenly decide to hunt dangerous game in Africa!

 

[Ray B]

To quote someone unknown to me:

There're 3 kinds of lies, Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

 

[WAB]

I don't really see how your personal/anecdotal experience supplants the data. This reminds me of a conversation I had with a BLM activist. He was arguing that murder is a leading cause of death among young black men in America because racist white cops are killing black men. When I told him that most African Americans who get murdered are murdered by another African American (like over 90%) he proceeded to attack the FBI statistics. Then he brought up an anecdotal example of how the only black man he personally knew who got murdered was shot by white cops. He then went on, to rather emotionally, extrapolate that this applies to most if not all black men who get murdered. When looking at the statistics this is not true.

While I am sure your personal experience is very relevant to you, I don't really see how it negates the data.

If you want to talk about cost:
America spends 17.8% of its GDP on healthcare and has a life expectancy of 76 years.

Canada spends 13% of its GDP on healthcare and has a life expectancy of 82 years.

That's rather telling to me. Draw whatever conclusions you will from that.

Here is another interesting graph that looks at expected life expectancy at 65 years of age:

Health status - Life expectancy at 65 - OECD Data

Find, compare and share OECD data by indicator.

data.oecd.org

An American man who has reached 65 years of age is expected to live, on average, for another 17 years. Those same figures for a 65 year old Mexican, Colombian, and Brazilian man are 16.7, 17.4, and 17.4 years respectively. Icelandic men who have reached 65 years of age have the longest average expected life expectancy at 20.5 years. That same figure for a 65 year old Canadian man is 19.4 years. 65 year old people are probably unlikely to engage in particularly risky behavior. This probably explains the greatly increased life expectancy of South American men who reach the age of 65 as opposed to the average life expectancy at birth in their countries.

My data is somewhat beyond anecdotal as a C-Suite officer of a fortune 100 company operating on both sides of the border. Your analysis of the statistics is highly flawed. You are making an underlying assumption on a direct link between healthcare spending and life expectancy. This is trivializing a very complex issue.

 

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[Pondoro]

The NATO meeting in Vilnius is over...the alliance is strengthened....2 more scandinavian states have joined..military budgets wil be soaring in western Europe the coming years..

Biden promise to continue mil. and financial support to Ukraine..

But what if Biden loose in 2024..?

Trump claim that the war would never happened if he still was POTUS.. He also claim that he could end the war within a day.. I wonder at whos cost..?

Ron DeSantis uttered that the war is a "territorial dispute" He was forces to U-turn on that..

Ron DeSantis forced into U-turn after calling Ukraine war ‘territorial dispute’

Likely Republican contender for White House says remark was ‘mischaracterised’ but calls Vladimir Putin a war criminal

www.theguardian.com

Nevertheless..I wonder what either of them will do if in office. DeSantis seems reluctant on the subject and Trump is a complete wild card..

 

[WAB]

The NATO meeting in Vilnius is over...the alliance is strengthened....2 more scandinavian states have joined..military budgets wil be soaring in western Europe the coming years..

Biden promise to continue mil. and financial support to Ukraine..

But what if Biden loose in 2024..?

Trump claim that the war would never happened if he still was POTUS.. He also claim that he could end the war within a day.. I wonder at whos cost..?

Ron DeSantis uttered that the war is a "territorial dispute" He was forces to U-turn on that..

Ron DeSantis forced into U-turn after calling Ukraine war ‘territorial dispute’

Likely Republican contender for White House says remark was ‘mischaracterised’ but calls Vladimir Putin a war criminal

www.theguardian.com

Nevertheless..I wonder what either of them will do if in office. DeSantis seems reluctant on the subject and Trump is a complete wild card..

Very good questions indeed. One would hope that DeSantis would see reason when presented with all the facts. It is much more difficult with Trump as he already knows everything!

 

[Tbitty]

 

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[Ray B]

Biden promise to continue mil. and financial support to Ukraine..

But what if Biden loose in 2024..?

Trump claim that the war would never happened if he still was POTUS.. He also claim that he could end the war within a day.. I wonder at whos cost..?

Trump is a complete wild card..

It remains to be seen how much of Bidets support for Ukraine is a result of a desire to defuse the Russian bear or to subsidize his corrupt business transactions.

Trump has been clear- it is correct that had the election results been fair and he was still president, Russia would not have been able to afford the war- and if Bidet changes to the economy were reversed Russia would no longer be able to afford the war and would seek a negotiated settlement. To say that this would all happen in 24 hours is a stretch, but it clearly would start happening within 24 hours of the implementation.

At whose cost? returning the price of oil to Trump levels? reducing inflation to Trump levels? Only a moron would not see who's NOT paying for ending the war.

 

[F. Vaccaro]

To quote someone unknown to me:

There're 3 kinds of lies, Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

There is one more! democrat!

 

[Tanner Lee]

To quote someone unknown to me:

There're 3 kinds of lies, Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

To answer the unknown author, Benjamin Disraeli (1804-1881), British Prime Minister, is quoted with saying this.

I only respond because this reminded me of an interesting history stat from my stats class a few years ago.

According to Prussian Army record between 1875 and 1894, 196 men were killed by horse kicking. That is an average of 9.8 men a year being killed by a horse kick.

Is this a random fact yes, but I wanted to share it anyways.

 

[Doug3006]

I believe it was Disraeli, when asked if all men aren’t brothers, replied, yes, Cain and Able.

 

[Red Leg]

And Bismarck who noted that you can do anything with bayonets except sit on them.

 

[Red Leg]

Horowitz: Biden pulls troops out of retirement for Ukraine as GOP continues to support the grift | Blaze Media

The White House is making it clear that it’s not just our money on the line for Ukraine, but potentially the lives of our soldiers. And because we have such a recruitment problem, he has to draw upon semi-retired soldiers, placing them back into active duty for potential deployment to Europe...

www.theblaze.com

Worth the read..

Not really. This is classic propaganda designed to imply assertions as facts so as to generate a response among the anti-Ukraine wing of the Republican party and anyone else who reads it uncritically.

What the Presidential decision does is actually put a cap on the number of reservists who may be activated to fill billets in Europe in support of operation Atlantic Resolve. Under US code up to 200,000 reservists can be activated to support contingency operations of which 30,000 can come from the individual ready reserve. The President's order limits the number of reservists who might be called up to support the operation to a total of 3000 from the selected reserve of which no more than 450 maybe from the IRR. And of course, none of these personnel will be deployed in a combat status - something this yellow journalist seems happy to imply.

Of course any of these selective activations pale to insignificance compared to what we were doing throughout most of the war on terror where reserve and national guard personnel and units were deployed regularly. Indeed "stop loss" was far more draconian where soldiers with special skills were involuntarily kept on active duty to fill critical needs.

We have increased our forward deployed ground component footprint in NATO countries of Eastern Europe as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Those combat forces require a correspondingly greater logistics, medical, general support footprint to support those rotating forces. This determination will allow the US armed forces to potentially rotate a reserve support unit into NATO on a rotation rather than a scarce active duty one. Much of the Army's logistics and medical support organization is actually in the reserve component rather than active duty.

Individually, a particular medical specialist might be called up to support a gap in a military medical facility.

Again, this is something we did regularly in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And no such activation is in breach of any contract.

 

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