Which rifle for lion?

Discussion in 'Hunting Africa' started by Mtgoat, Nov 24, 2013.

  1. daved

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    There will be no drugs in the lions System. That is an illegal hunt.
    As hunters we need to get the facts sorted out on captive bred lion hunts.
    Just want to point that out.
    Best regards
     
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    The waiting period for a captive lion is 96 hours in the regions of RSA where most of the hunts take place. I'd submit that the effects of the tranquilizer cocktail would still linger, not to mention I would not call 96 hours "wilderness acclimation". However, as the OP said, no need to discuss the pros and cons of RSA canned lions hunts. I just know it is not for me or for anyone I respect. Others might feel different.

    Cheers.
     

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    They do not use any tranquilizers or drugs to move the lions into the hunting areas any more.
    Release periods also differ from province to province.
    PHASA has urged all members to adhere to a self imposed 7 day release period.
     
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    Do you think 7 days would transform a lion from a "pet" to a wild animal? ;) I must admit that it is a good business model for the lion farmers though. As the lion matures generate revenue by having tourists watch, feed, and/or play with them. Once it matures, sell them to outfitters for shooting by hunters.[​IMG]
     

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    Tanks,
    I don't doubt that what you describe above, happens. Money is the root of all evil and will unfortunately make people dare to do despicable deeds.
    But if you think that the photo above paints an accurate picture of the norm in RSA Lion hunting, you're in for a mauling.
    Being in the industry myself, as an experienced outfitter you see a lot that gives it away, but I can't think of any one of the regular AH outfitters here who I believe involves themselves with this.
    We don't know the story behind the picture, just the same as any "Tree-Hugger" uses hunting photos to paint their own little stories they want to believe.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    I have to agree with Marius 100%

    Tanks with respect buddy, you sounding like a anti -hunter.
    Let's get back on track to the original thread.

    The original poster did not want this to turn us hunters against each other so let's leave this to another thread.

    I just don't want inaccurate statements made about South African hunting that some people might take as fact.

    Best regards
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    "Anti-hunter"? Is that the straw man argument? But, you are right. The canned hunts vs regular wild hunts have been discussed and argued ad nauseum. I am not against it per se (even if I don't care for it) as I realize that if it got banned then next target would be the wild hunts. As long as it is represented honestly (which in the OP it was) I have no issues. However, in the past I have been offered lions which were "raiding the cattle etc." and "You'd better move quick to book it before it is gone". Obvious canned hunts that were being offered as wild hunts.
     
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    And I'm sure other such despicable deeds have happened in other countries and not just involving lions.....

    But that said and speaking of the OP, just where the heck has Mt. Goat been? I had a chance to spend some time with him in Vegas at SCI, good guy. And he hasn't been around since April.
     

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    I think a 500/416 NE 3 1/4 or 416 Rigby No 2 sxs double fitted with a low power claw mounted scope would be the ultimate Lion hunting rifle....
     

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    African Shot Placement: minimum calibre for lion - 308Win , recommendet calibre 9,3x62, 375H&H, 416.
     

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    Old thread but what the hey! Winchester M70 CRF in 375 HH with low power scope and good quality tough but expanding bullet like 300 gr Swift A Frame. Then shoot it enough to get good with it for precise shot placement on first shot then practice enough for cycling without thinking (under pressure) for fast follow up shots.
     
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    .465 h and h! Double, maybe!
     
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    If it's true where you've been hunting everywhere,I'm surprised at such a beginner's question, even if you haven't shot a lion yet.
    I also find the mention, that you want to shoot a south african garden lion strange.
    As if that had something to do with it.
    :S Troll:
     
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