What is it about 404 Jeffery?

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  1. ve7poi

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    Browning owns Winchester
     

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    Which model are you going to make these under and when do you think you are going to offer them in 2019? Following this post heavily
     

  3. Shootist43

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    I'm sorry that my Aussie friends have so many problems with Winchester. There are way more Winchesters in my safes than any other make and in my opinion for good reason. The Model 70 wasn't given the nickname of "The Rifleman's Rifle" for nothing.
     
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    Is that a typo? The difference in overall length between Jeffery and Kynoch?

    0.1770" seems like a lot.
     

  5. Von Gruff

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    It is not a typo as far as I know, having the data from the printed source, but it may be that there was still development work being done with the cartridge during those two years and that Jeffery may have been influenced to a certain extent by Rigby turning the rim off the 450-400 to make the 450/400J Rimless and seating the bullet out further to increase COAL by the 0.1770 would have effectively increased case capacity and allowed for a increase in velocity. Getting a reliable rimless bolt rifle dangerous game cartridge had big marketing consequences so every improvement would have been taken advantage of.
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    Well 3.3530" would have certainly reduced the amount of mods needed to get it to fit in a standard action. On the other hand the amount of metal removed from the action on rifles built in the 1905-1907 Time Frame makes me believe that OAL never made it to production.
     

  7. The_Wanderer

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    The problem is nothing to do with the Winchester product, In fact own 2 of the "new" range of Model 70s-3006 Sporter and a 375H&H Safari and I rate them highly!

    The problem lies with the Australian Distributor- Winchester Australia(who also distribute a range of other lines- such as CZ and browning) Their service is woeful, product knowledge is poor. I remember one SHOT show here in Perth, they had 3 M70s!!! This was the Australia wide distributor at our only MAJOR show bringing 3 models to view! As a result the product has not gained the market share it deserves. If Winshitter wanted they could actively target the Tikka/Sako brands with the M70 but for some reason have no desire to do so.

    If any one from Winchester US reads this- Winchester Australia really tarnishes the Winchester Name.

    Hope this clears things up

    Cheers
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  8. Shootist43

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    Maybe someone in Australia needs to see about opening a second Distributorship. Sounds like they'd have an eager client base.
     

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    I believe Browning and Winchester are seperate subsidiaries of Fabrique National Herstal which is in turn owned by Herstal Holdings Group.
     

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    Receive both Winchester and browning firearms from browning Canada From same shipment address at store.
     

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    Haven't a clue who owns the distributorships in various countries or how they are structured.
     

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    Please make it in the stainless.
    Art. How do you like the converted Winchester?
     
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    @Montana Rifle Company , well now that you have let the cat out of the bag :D are you accepting orders?
    Please, tell us more. Standard offering? Special Order? 2019 is a week away, SHOT Show less than a month. Close enough! Tell your AH buddies all about it :)
     

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    Perfect for Alaska, but it is a start. Once production starts on barrels and actions the move from Fiberglass and Stainless to Wood and Blue Chrome-Molly is easy. Let's all remember that "Rome wasn't built in a day."
     

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    @Shootist43...Fortunately for me, I have owned my RSM .404J for nearly two years and took it to Africa last summer. But for the sake of the many members wanting to become .404 owners, I truly hope you are right....and fully agree with you on the Alaska comment.
     

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    I cannot disagree :)
     

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    The long pistol grip seems appropriate but overall, not too pretty.
     

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    I was just thinking about "The Colorado Buck" rifle, the weight made me think the gun was made for sheep hunting i.e. carrying it up and down mountains. With that as a given I can certainly see the need for the muzzle brake.
     

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