Politics

[jpr9954]

 

[Big5]

 

[cpr0312]

 

[PARA45]

 

[Sabattiboy]

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If he had, OJ might have committed suicide instead of being on trial for murder.

 

[Ray B]

One thing is clear: There are a bunch of DemonRats that owe their lives to their being born prior to 1973. Although there is something to be said about retroactive abortion.

 

[Vashper]

Wonder what @Vashper has to say about this.....

BBC News - A Ukrainian father's terrifying journey to a Russian prison and back

A Ukrainian father's terrifying journey to a Russian prison and back

Nikita Horban was abducted from his village and taken to Russia. He would come back without any toes.

www.bbc.co.uk

They have already suggested here - yes, this is really ordinary military propaganda, in conditions when NATO is waging a proxy war with Russia. Probably, it can't be any other way. This kind of propaganda in Russian is called (yes, a little rude) "to feed shit with a shovel." What's the point of commenting on this? Maybe later, when this difficult war is over, however, when it will be.

 

[WAB]

They have already suggested here - yes, this is really ordinary military propaganda, in conditions when NATO is waging a proxy war with Russia. Probably, it can't be any other way. This kind of propaganda in Russian is called (yes, a little rude) "to feed shit with a shovel." What's the point of commenting on this? Maybe later, when this difficult war is over, however, when it will be.

You appear to be missing the point that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. It’s pretty hard to say anyone other than Russia is responsible for this little shindig.

 

[Ray B]

NATO is waging a proxy war with Russia..

Are the Russian people so gullible as to believe that NATO is attacking Russia?

 

[Vashper]

"You appear to be missing the point that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. It’s pretty hard to say anyone other than Russia is responsible for this little shin"

It's bad, but it happens in the modern world. For example, the US has used its troops outside its borders dozens of times over the past 30 years. I hope you also condemned every such case?

"Are the Russian people so gullible as to believe that NATO is attacking Russia?"

It's hard for me to speak for the whole nation, but NATO's advance towards Moscow and St. Petersburg worried many.

 

[Ray B]

@Vashper It is a time-tested political tactic originated by magicians- He look what I have here so that I can do something over there. Or as you have stated, don't look at what Russia is doing because you should be looking at what the US is doing. Do they have Apples and Oranges in Russia?

 

[WAB]

"You appear to be missing the point that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. It’s pretty hard to say anyone other than Russia is responsible for this little shin"

It's bad, but it happens in the modern world. For example, the US has used its troops outside its borders dozens of times over the past 30 years. I hope you also condemned every such case?

"Are the Russian people so gullible as to believe that NATO is attacking Russia?"

It's hard for me to speak for the whole nation, but NATO's advance towards Moscow and St. Petersburg worried many.

Deflection doesn’t make this situation any better. Putin and his henchmen are international criminals responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. I for one, hope he hangs for it.

 

[Graham Hunter]

"You appear to be missing the point that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. It’s pretty hard to say anyone other than Russia is responsible for this little shin"

It's bad, but it happens in the modern world. For example, the US has used its troops outside its borders dozens of times over the past 30 years. I hope you also condemned every such case?

"Are the Russian people so gullible as to believe that NATO is attacking Russia?"

It's hard for me to speak for the whole nation, but NATO's advance towards Moscow and St. Petersburg worried many.

Really!! As part of NATO the US has been in other Countries because they have the largest Military Force! If NATO/USA advances to Moscow it will be because of Putin. Stop drinking Vlad's koolaid.

 

[Ray B]

I see where "a Russian Official" claims that "Nato" would be destroyed in 30 minutes if nuclear arms used. Really? Even if there was no retaliation by NATO, given the general West to East flow of the jet stream, it would only be about another 30 minutes before radioactive material from their own bombs would be dropping on the Kremlin. Such even would please John Kerry and that girl as it would initiate the nuclear winter that would terminate any global warming. I guess if Putin wants to commit suicide and take the civilized world with him a nuclear war is as effective as any.

 

[Big5]

 

[bowjijohn]

In international affairs - particularly in conflict - every side claims the moral high ground. Ultimately it is pointless arguing about right and wrong - it is important that Putin looses and is seen to lose.

There is no NATO advance eastwards - there is an escape of smaller nations from a regime they do not wish to be ruled by

What threatens Putin is not NATO military build up on his borders, but the unedifying (for him) spectacle of former USSR nations embracing (and succeeding in) a western lifestyle

Did these countries need to join NATO for protection? Well Putin has just proved that they did

Note - Putin needs to be seen to fail, not the Russian people - there is a difference

 

[Major Bonkers]

A very good article from 'The Critic' website: https://thecritic.co.uk/the-cold-war-never-ended/

My own take, so far as anyone is interested is, that to paraphrase the great President Trump, these are two third world shit-holes fighting each other. However, that does not permit one of them to wage aggressive war against the other, nor to target civilians.

We British declared the Second World War to aid Poland, which at the time was a (non-brutal) military dictatorship, with a slight anti-semitic cast (but equally the local Jews were anti-Polish at the time), and which had recently colluded with Nazi Germany in seizing for itself a piece of Czechoslovakia. It is noticeable that at the same time as Hitler invaded from the west, Russia invaded from the east, to protect the Poles, or somesuch nonsense.

The modern Ukraine has certainly had some dubious dealings with the Bidens, who have used it as a slush-fund, details of which will surely emerge. The war gives us British a marvellous opportunity to give Putin a well-deserved punch on the nose, he having murdered two British subjects - one with polonium and one with novichok - and a further 10 when he shot down flight MH-17 in 2014. Now that we have got the chance to do him a bad turn, we should take it with both hands.

 

[Woodcarver]

 

[cpr0312]

 

[Red Leg]

In international affairs - particularly in conflict - every side claims the moral high ground. Ultimately it is pointless arguing about right and wrong - it is important that Putin looses and is seen to lose.

There is no NATO advance eastwards - there is an escape of smaller nations from a regime they do not wish to be ruled by

What threatens Putin is not NATO military build up on his borders, but the unedifying (for him) spectacle of former USSR nations embracing (and succeeding in) a western lifestyle

Did these countries need to join NATO for protection? Well Putin has just proved that they did

Note - Putin needs to be seen to fail, not the Russian people - there is a difference

Succinct, and I believe exactly correct. Watching the Baltic States prosper was worrisome enough, but having Ukraine emerge from socialist tyranny and start to become a prosperous member of the Western European community was simply intolerable. It put a daily lie to every myth being spread through internal propaganda about Russia's brave and lonely stand against the evils of the Western democracies. A lie which Russians, many with family and contacts in Ukraine, could see all too clearly.

So Putin decided to primitively invade before his vision of a totalitarian military state was overcome by the reality of the Western European experience creeping across the border from the West.

But to do so and not to realize the limitations of his on war machine is simply staggering. We shook our collective military heads when the Russians reorganized around the battalion tactical group concept. They looked potentially agile for a peace keeping operation in the Balkans (from which many of the lessons learned in their organization were taken), but incredibly fragile for a sustained high intensity conflict against a peer opponent. That already has been proven out in spades on the battlefield.

Russia is losing this war. It is losing it to Ukraine, not to NATO.

Ukraine reorganized its ground forces following the 2014 debacle. It adopted the mechanized brigade organizational model mirroring both US and UK concepts. Many of their best company and field grade officers served with NATO forces through much of the Afghanistan campaign. There they learned joint staff planning, the need for rigorous collective training, and the intricate art of combined arms operations. They have participated in every NATO exercise over the last eight years perfecting those skills. At a more basic level they created a professional NCO corps and unshackled their junior officer leadership from the Soviet model of strict obedience to the last order, instead nurturing Western style tactical freedom that encourages junior leader initiative on the battlefield.

Russia is staring into an abyss. It has no one to blame but the little tyrant in the Kremlin. It's field army is being systematically attritted at an unsustainable rate. It has expended a huge proportion of its precision engagement munitions to no meaningful effect. Two days ago it was reduced to firing anti-ship missiles into Odessa. Sanctions are preventing the repair of aircraft or assembly of new missile stocks. Putin gave a speech today which offered no new ideas, no hope, and no way out of the quagmire he has created. In a few weeks the Ukrainian counter offensive will begin in earnest. What then?

Perhaps you will listen to Mikhail Khodarenok. He is a realist who I respect. Even the propogandists around the circular table have enough sense not to interrupt him. Russia has no new options. And national/cultural nuclear suicide isn't much of a legacy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/ul5fb6

This is an article he wrote in early February - someone in the Kremlin should have read it. It is worth reading now. I regret that I do not have it in the original Russian, but there is a link in the introduction.

Mass Fire Strike on Ukraine

In NVO, Mikhail Khodarenok has written about how a possible Russian Army campaign in Ukraine won’t be any cake walk. Here’s a translation.

russiandefpolicy.com

Putin needs a negotiated settlement. He needs it soon. If not Russia will be a generation or more recovering from totally avoidable military economic fiasco.