Politics

[RLD]

The intent of my post was not to lay the blame on the Catholic Church. Just to show the Pope has a conflict of interest with Trump and those conflicts should be taken into consideration while reading the statements made by both parties.

Most of the large religious organizations in America were beneficiaries of massive handouts by the American taxpayer to process and take care of illegals. Much of that funding is now drying up.

I think the Pope and the church's position on war and peace was rather well defined before Trump even thought about running for office.

 

[RLD]

I see this BS pushed by your side. You do realize that the crime committed by illegal immigrants adds more crime on top of what we already have but it is also PREVENTABLE if they are not wrongly welcomed in by open border types??

There are plenty of rational reasons for the United States to have well controlled borders, but this supposed crime wave that MAGA likes to yammer on about is not one of them.

If crime is your concern, immigration is not the cause of your problem and your money would be better spent elsewhere. If your concern is something like sovereignty and the whole concept of the nation state, or economics, then illegal immigration is worth dealing with.

I am not sure what "my side" is, but actually basing my opinions on fact is important to me.

 

[RLD]

Bigotry is a strong word. Highly critical would be more appropriate

American has a long, ugly, history of anti-Catholic bigotry. I am not surprised to see if rearing its ugly head again.

 

[Scott CWO]

There are plenty of rational reasons for the United States to have well controlled borders, but this supposed crime wave that MAGA likes to yammer on about is not one of them.

If crime is your concern, immigration is not the cause of your problem and your money would be better spent elsewhere. If your concern is something like sovereignty and the whole concept of the nation state, or economics, then illegal immigration is worth dealing with.

I am not sure what "my side" is, but actually basing my opinions on fact is important to me.

Spew this BS to the families of the victims. By gosh you are insane.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

American has a long, ugly, history of anti-Catholic bigotry. I am not surprised to see if rearing its ugly head again.

No doubt. Kinda reminds me of when the Catholics were massacring the Protestants by the 10s of thousands back in the day. Among others.

The truth is you have unconverted people on both sides that do bad stuff.

Also true is that Catholicism is the largest false system that claims to be Christian. There’s a couple of good things about it but ultimately it’s responsible for leading people astray and giving false security so the bad outweighs the good.

 

[RLD]

Spew this BS to the families of the victims. By gosh you are insane.

Well thanks Dr. Scott. I guess when you are bereft of actual, rational fact based arguments we get to the name calling in a hurry.

What do you plan to say to the many more victims of violent crimes' family when those crimes are committed by native born Americans? Will you blame the police? The education system? Who is your scapegoat for the vast majority of American crime? Or is your relative a little less dead if murdered by someone born in Idaho rather than someone born in Mexico?

 

[RLD]

No doubt. Kinda reminds me of when the Catholics were massacring the Protestants by the 10s of thousands back in the day. Among others.

The truth is you have unconverted people on both sides that do bad stuff.

Also true is that Catholicism is the largest false system that claims to be Christian. There’s a couple of good things about it but ultimately it’s responsible for leading people astray and giving false security so the bad outweighs the good.

Out of curiously, if Catholicism is not Christian, how do you define "Christian" and which denominations are really Christian in your view?

And one more question. Do you think observant Catholics are going to heaven?

 

[Scott CWO]

Well thanks Dr. Scott. I guess when you are bereft of actual, rational fact based arguments we get to the name calling in a hurry.

What do you plan to say to the many more victims of violent crimes' family when those crimes are committed by native born Americans? Will you blame the police? The education system? Who is your scapegoat for the vast majority of American crime? Or is your relative a little less dead if murdered by someone born in Idaho rather than someone born in Mexico?

Unbelievable that you shift on this. It’s simple arithmetic that illegal immigrant crime is an unwanted addition to what we are already battling. We shouldn’t be adding more crime and dependency.

 

[DieJager]

I think we are crossing into really toxic debate about religion that is truly not insightful or helpful for anyone. The thread is already toxic enough without going into religion. Certainly not at the level this debate being discussed. If theology is to be debated we definitely can do it on an academic level in another thread. But this is just beneath even the sometimes low bar of this thread.

 

[AJ Peacock]

I see 3 problems with the statistics shown in this thread.
1) The denominator (how many illegals) This is unknown and just a guess in all the studies, depending on what your denominator is, it can wildly swing the results.
2) Only Incarcerated individuals are counted, so deported criminals are not counted.
3) Immigrants that entered the country illegally and then given a blanket protection order may be counted in the not-illegal category.

In addition to the points that others have raised, illegal crime dilutes law enforcement activities that could prevent other crime.

AJ

 

[deewayne2003]

There are plenty of rational reasons for the United States to have well controlled borders, but this supposed crime wave that MAGA likes to yammer on about is not one of them.

If crime is your concern, immigration is not the cause of your problem and your money would be better spent elsewhere. If your concern is something like sovereignty and the whole concept of the nation state, or economics, then illegal immigration is worth dealing with.

I am not sure what "my side" is, but actually basing my opinions on fact is important to me.

If basing your opinions on facts then please provide where you get the facts about US illegal immigration because I assure you the mental and statistical gymnastics to hide the problem are incredible.

Hears some statistics you will never find published by Travis Co, but I lived it first hand!

2017 Austin Texas - Sanctuary sheriff Sally Hernandez makes Travis co jail a Sanctuary.

They will only honor ICE detainers for illegals charged with 3 crimes.......
Murder
Human Trafficking
Aggravated sexual assault

At the time this was passed there were 200 illegals in the Travis county Jail and all but 48 were released on bail - 48 of 200 = 24% of the illegals in the county jail were charged with at least 1 of 3 crimes that are eligible for LIFE SENTENCES; or 3.5X HIGHER than the U.S. citizens who were in the same jail.

And that was just the ones charged with those 3 specific crimes; Travis county also freed a man who had been previously convicted of crimes against children and illegally being in the country....

He was apprehended trying to sneak back into Mexico to avoid prosecution.

Another individual illegally in the country was granted bail for various crimes against children and was in the process of being released when the local news reported to the county jail that the man being released had OPEN WARRANTS for child sex crimes out of Lubbock Texas and they were setting up cameras for his release and would like to interview the sheriff after his release....

This started a panic storm from the potential bad press and the man was literally handed his property bag and re-arrested for the open warrants before he could walk out.

When asked why illegal immigrant pedophiles were allowed to bond out of jail the sheriff calmy explained.......

"Those crimes against children did not meet the Aggravated mandate set forth previously."

 

[RLD]

Unbelievable that you shift on this. It’s simple arithmetic that illegal immigrant crime is an unwanted addition to what we are already battling. We shouldn’t be adding more crime and dependency.

Of course it is an additive problem, but snapping your fingers does not make the problem disappear does it? It's a question of priority and resources.

You already have a lot of illegal immigrants residing in the country and more trying to get in.

It take resources to secure your borders and to potentially remove the ones already there. Let's call that resource money.

Let's say I can spend $X on immigration and reduce the number of murders by, say 200. And let's say I can spend $X on internal crime prevention and reduce the number of murders by say 300. What is the rational choice if crimie is your top priority? Or to put it your language, what are you going to say to the 100 families who lost a loved one because you prioritized immigration over crime prevention?

The crime argument on U.S. illegal immigration is as thin as tissue paper. Or maybe toilet paper is the better analogy.

 

[Wheels]

Robert’s Smith was a subject in this thread last week.

Attached are a couple of interesting posts regarding the prosecution of Roberts Smith for those interested.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2043171662456365479

https://twitter.com/x/status/2043657255418200463

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I see in the news just now that Trump posted a photoshopped picture this morning of himself depicted as Christ. No shit! Can this get any crazier? First he says yeah he posted it, then he blames the Fake News media for putting the wrong spin on it. "Oh, it's just me as a doctor." Right. How many doctors do you know walk around wearing a halo? How many doctors do you know prescribe drinking disinfectant or swallowing magical capsules of UV light? The guy is absolutely certifiably batshit crazy. So what excuse will you guys dream up for him this time? It will require some creativity.

Image depicting Trump as Christ-like savior removed from president's social media page following backlash

Trump told reporters on Monday that he thought the image, which he shared shortly after posting an extended tirade about Pope Leo, was "me as a doctor."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Pondoro]

Christ reborn..?

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This is blasphemy at its worst.. Trump posted it on Trumps´s Truth..

He eraised it today after massive critisism.. It is sickening.. He has a sick mind.. 25th..??

But I guess you people can excuse your Orange Jesus..

 

[wesheltonj]

If you are really worried about crime you need to look in the mirror. Native born Americans tend to commit more crimes than illegal immigrants (other than the crime of disobeying immigration laws obviously).

• Incarceration Rates: Data from 2010–2023 shows undocumented immigrants are about half as likely to be incarcerated as native-born Americans.
• Crime Trends: Studies suggest that as the undocumented immigrant population increases, violent crime rates tend to either decrease or remain stable.
• Conviction Rates: Research from Stanford University found that immigrants (including those in the country illegally) have been 60% less likely to be incarcerated than native-born people since the 1960s.
• Regional Data: In Texas, which provides some of the only tracking data on this topic, unlawful immigrants had lower conviction and arrest rates than native-born Texans, including for homicide

But it really is simple for the intellectually bankrupt to blame the outsider for their own problems.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. When you have a million or so illegals and 30 million or so citizens, of course they are going to have a lower convictions. That also fails to take into consideration those charged but released and return to another country and never get a conviction. I've sentenced hundreds for Criminal Trespass in a Disaster Zone. They are deported as soon as they are sentenced and the ones that make bail - self deport and take a conviction by zoom or other means.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Robert’s Smith was a subject in this thread last week.

Attached are a couple of interesting posts regarding the prosecution of Roberts Smith for those interested.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2043171662456365479

https://twitter.com/x/status/2043657255418200463

The U.S. should offer him asylum until they can prove their case.

 

[BRICKBURN]

I think we are crossing into really toxic debate about religion that is truly not insightful or helpful for anyone.

The thread is already toxic enough without going into religion. Certainly not at the level this debate being discussed. If theology is to be debated we definitely can do it on an academic level in another thread.

But this is just beneath even the sometimes low bar of this thread.

 

[PARA45]

 

[RLD]

Lies, damned lies, and statistics. When you have a million or so illegals and 30 million or so citizens, of course they are going to have a lower convictions. That also fails to take into consideration those charged but released and return to another country and never get a conviction. I've sentenced hundreds for Criminal Trespass in a Disaster Zone. They are deported as soon as they are sentenced and the ones that make bail - self deport and take a conviction by zoom or other means.

Wes, look at the numbers. They are by percentage or proportionate. That means the difference in absolute numbers is factored in.

And as I am sure you are aware, skipping bail is not just a immigrant issue.