Politics

[skydiver386]

Fixed that for you, message me when you have some actual facts to dispute what I’ve said. All of it, not ignoring points.

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The double standards of partisan politics. Neither republicans nor democrats are immune, but the republicans are far worse right now. I’d love to identify as a Republican due to my alignment with many Republican values, but until the hypocrisy and pro totalitarian government shit is gone I will remain an independent.

As others have already posted, this is purposely misleading.

Republicans called him a hero for shooting a child molester.

 

[steve white]

lol! It’s hard to read between the lines in this Libratard climate of discussion !
But hell to the yes , this kinda ice is terrible and unwelcome!
Rock salt is my friend today

Yeah, and our block just lost water pressure....

 

[Rifleman97]

That's somewhat misleading. He did not show up to protest or in the role of a protester - he was there, as I recall, to assist with the protection of private property. The way it's worded it makes it sound like he was an armed protester... which he wasn't.

Fair point, but simply being armed at a protest was cheered on by many republicans, while now republicans are booing the man who had a concealed gun at an ICE protest and didn’t pull it until he was afraid for his life. And many are saying he came at ICE waving a gun when the videos I’ve seen showed he only had his phone in his hand and it wasn’t until much later he pulled his gun out.

He shouldn’t have pulled a gun on ICE, I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of many people who cheered him and are now booing the armed protester. I also think Kyle Rittenhouse was actively looking to kill someone. Only a fool or someone planning something like that would open carry. There’s too many ways open carrying in a situation like that can go wrong. Always conceal. I’ve seen a video of a guy open carrying getting his gun stolen from him in a moment of distraction and was then shot to death with his own gun.

Unlike another commenter who keeps ignoring all of my other points of discussion, I can admit when my arguments are not entirely accurate when called out, so I’ll admit that my example could’ve been better, it was one of the first that came to mind. I’m all for real discussions, not circle jerks. So thank you.

You obviously have some difficulty that you need help with and if you insist upon having the last word then by all means you have it. I would try and explain to you the workings of grand juries and how they work in regards to the subject at hand and how slow the wheels of justice work but I highly doubt you’d grasp the concept. Have a nice night.

Case in point. Ignore the JD Vance absolute immunity given to ICE comment he made a few days ago, which not even police have. Police have “qualified” immunity via 42 USC. Vance said that the shooter of Good was “protected by Absolute Immunity.” I’m aware how the proceedings work under a normal President, but we do not have a normal president who follows the law.

 

[Tanks]

Well, here is a video that shows the guy being shoved and pepper sprayed first. No gun in his hand. Video below.

Now, Noem says the man who was shot was armed and “violently resisted” attempts to disarm him giving the impression he had his gun in his hand instead of on his person.

Wish they would not exaggerate every encounter.

Five guys on top of him and they could not subdue him and decided to shoot.

 

[Pheroze]

I am reading he was a VA nurse. I am not getting the sense he was a career protester, or otherwise radicalized. My prayers for this man’s family.

 

[pilar]

Yeah, and our block just lost water pressure....

Ouch! I’m on a well and LPG heater, so praying the power doesn’t crap out due to ice
On power supply, no electricity = no water or heat

 

[1dirthawker]

Maybe you should read some of the original texts of the Declaration of Independence, the constitution, read a bit of history on pre revolutionary war America and pre WWII Germany. Because the 3 have a lot in common right now.

maybe you should worry about the women and children that were raped by illegals on the way to America. maybe you should worry about the children 300,000 of them that disappeared once they got in the country during the biden/mayorkas reign. maybe we should all worry about the sanctuary cities that protect illegal aliens (the ones in the prisons that those cities do not allow to come in and safely retrieve)

you wanna protest, peacefully, no problem. you want to block traffic, spit on, push, shove law enforcement (of any flavor) better find a nice clean spot on the ground to end up on!

would you personally allow individuals that act like these "peaceful" protesters to act out on your wife, daughter or grandkids? not me.

 

[Tanks]

Fair point, but simply being armed at a protest was cheered on by many republicans, while now republicans are booing the man who had a concealed gun at an ICE protest and didn’t pull it until he was afraid for his life. And many are saying he came at ICE waving a gun when the videos I’ve seen showed he only had his phone in his hand and it wasn’t until much later he pulled his gun out.

Actually, I watched a video that showed both of his hands were braced against the ground when he was shot in the back by the agent. None of the videos showed any gun in his hand.

ICE is circling the wagons, Noem is basically saying if one is carrying a gun on him then they deserve to be shot!!!

Edit: Slo-mo video of the shooting. No firearm in sight, what he has in his right hand, still, is the phone.

https://packaged-media.redd.it/ex18ylpyvdfg1/pb/m2-res_720p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1769313600&s=4f4c68ddd539ba0bbcf6e2b09d87a9f0bc2e0415

Edit 2: Grey coat officer retrieving the gun before the guy is shot. NO EXCUSE FOR SHOOTING THE GUY.

 

[SaintPanzer]

Fair point, but simply being armed at a protest was cheered on by many republicans, while now republicans are booing the man who had a concealed gun at an ICE protest and didn’t pull it until he was afraid for his life. And many are saying he came at ICE waving a gun when the videos I’ve seen showed he only had his phone in his hand and it wasn’t until much later he pulled his gun out.

He shouldn’t have pulled a gun on ICE, I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of many people who cheered him and are now booing the armed protester. I also think Kyle Rittenhouse was actively looking to kill someone. Only a fool or someone planning something like that would open carry. There’s too many ways open carrying in a situation like that can go wrong. Always conceal. I’ve seen a video of a guy open carrying getting his gun stolen from him in a moment of distraction and was then shot to death with his own gun.

Unlike another commenter who keeps ignoring all of my other points of discussion, I can admit when my arguments are not entirely accurate when called out, so I’ll admit that my example could’ve been better, it was one of the first that came to mind. I’m all for real discussions, not circle jerks. So thank you.

Case in point. Ignore the JD Vance absolute immunity given to ICE comment he made a few days ago, which not even police have. Police have “qualified” immunity via 42 USC. Vance said that the shooter of Good was “protected by Absolute Immunity.” I’m aware how the proceedings work under a normal President, but we do not have a normal president who follows the law.

I know it was five or so years ago, and my memory is not what it once was, but wasn't he armed at a protest because there were no police present, and he was trying to protect property? Isn't that different from being armed at a protest of police?

I'm not "for" any of these shootings, but I can't see a way around the fact that there is a protest of an enforcement activity for a real law, not a protest asking for the repeal of a law. It's "we don't think that law should be valid here", which in my world is a violation of the supremacy clause. So the people saying the enforcement activity is unconstitutional are also themselves in violation of the Constitution.

Oh, and I've also read that the deceased had no identification on him at the time. Also, Minnesota is not a "Constitutional Carry" state. It has not been reported if he had a license to carry, but if he had no ID, then said license was not with him at the time. That's not a justification for being shot, but also unlike Mr. Rittenhouse, that's not "legally carrying".

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

These pics from video show the deceased attacking a woman for same reason. ICE stops him from assaulting her.
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Then ICE pulls him off the woman. View attachment 741340After the long scrum the decrease gains a kneeling position. With what appears to be his hand on his right hip. And an ICE agents arms out stretched. Apparently to keep him from un holstering or pulling his pistol.

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It appears that as he has his right hand on his hip the officers immediately back away and start firing.

@Altitude sickness I’ll admit I have not studied this shooting very closely. I have a question about the first photo you posted. The guy pushing the woman does not appear to be the guy who got shot, that guy is the next guy to the right in the photo. I read a report that said an officer was pushing a demonstrator back and the guy that got shot attempted to help the demonstrator (interfering with a LEO).

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Seismic activity generated at Virgina Tech.

Now why couldn't they have played VT when I was there!

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Good Lord…

Woman 'euthanized against her will by burned-out carer husband'

Canada's Medical Assistance in Dying laws allow patients to request a painless death if an assessor agrees their terminal condition meets certain requirements.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tanks]

Would you mind, please, to expand on this statement? What laws of the Constitution have/are being broken by Imigration, Customs Enforcement agents?

4th Amendment for sure. They have broken down doors of US citizens without a warrant. They are not even supposed to enter even if an illegal is there without a judicial warrant.

They have stopped US citizens in the street and asked for proof of citizenship including off-duty cops that happen to be brown. We are not a "show me your papers" country.

 

[Brent in Az]

Now why couldn't they have played VT when I was there!

Enter Sandman is the Virginia Tech football teams official entrance song when they run out of the tunnel

 

[Brent in Az]

4th Amendment for sure. They have broken down doors of US citizens without a warrant. They are not even supposed to enter even if an illegal is there without a judicial warrant.

They have stopped US citizens in the street and asked for proof of citizenship including off-duty cops that happen to be brown. We are not a "show me your papers" country.

I imagine the families who have lost a loved one to the actions of illegal immigrants are not concerned by the methods used to round them up and ship them out.
They are here illegally, and break our laws. As far as I'm concerned they can use whatever methods necessary to achieve the end game.

 

[LivingTheDream]

So I have watched the video, and can't really tell what happen. If the guy in the gray coat did secure the weapon, it doesnt match the audio.

Lets clear this up, the US does not have a constitional right to carry concealed. The deceased had a conceal carry permit, but did not have it or any ID with him. Assuming those are the facts, he was carrying illegally.

Secondly, we need to clear up the right the protest, US citizens do have the right to peacefully protest, they can not interfere with law enforcement, that is not peacefully protesting. Scream and shout but the moment you step up and engage with law enforcement you are no longer protesting.

What I cant tell is why the deceased wouldn't let go of the lady after she was pushed by law enforcement, not sure what was going on there but the story he was trying to help her up doesnt seem likely.

He then resisted law enforcement, and had multiple agents trying to subdue him. During that scrum, he hear an officer say gun, at which point everyone breaks and shots are fired. When the officer is heard yelling gun, I can see movement in the back waistband but cant tell whose hand it is. It was this movement where the one officer pulls his gun, and then within a second shots are fired.

His parents have put out a statement saying he wanted to get involved in the protests and they said don't do anything stupid, trying to portray him as caring and level headed (which he very well could have been). However, this also shows his state of mind, and the fact he took a gun, concealed and resisted arrest. I dont think this statement helps win a court case.

Overall, this shooting will be looked at in a lot of ways and I am not 100% sure if it is a bad shooting or justified. However, we have someone illegally carrying a gun, possible assaulting a bystander, a law enforcement officer, and resisting arrest. Given we also know he had the intent to get involved, I think defending the deceased is a hard position to defend.

I really wish the left would make a statement and say stop interfering with ICE, let the legal system work, they are putting themselves, bystanders and others at risk by getting involved. The politicians encouraging this behavior is theater that will get more people shot so they can fundraise and get votes.

 

[WAB]

He’s not Canadian

Thank you!

 

[Ontario Hunter]

So, you could remove the magazine, clear the jam and then reinsert the magazine and rack a round (assuming the problem wasn't the magazine) before anyone gets to you?

We all know you are a master of arms of all weapons, but this seems like a stretch.

Not sure why I would need to remove the magazine. If my rifle fails to feed, I just eject the round that didn't load and cycle another from the magazine, which can't be removed. Never had a 1911 jam or my Browning Hi-Power either so no experience clearing a jam. I guess it could happen. Not going to worry about it. Understand that 1911 is not double action. All the modern LEO auto handguns are double action. Those can be carried safely with a round in the chamber and hammer down, like a double action revolver. I do not recall any of the old lawmen walking around with single action Colt Peacemakers that were full cocked. Granted the 1911 has a side safety but I didn't find it to be real handy. Like I said there's something about a round being racked that gets everyone's attention, even the other cops. Like shucking a round into riot shotgun. Anyway, SOP at that time for my MP units required 1911 be carried with empty chamber. In combat situations I'm sure it would be different. First three months in Korea I was bodyguard/driver for Swedish UN general and stationed in the DMZ. Honestly don't remember if I carried my sidearm fully loaded. Maybe. Those North Korean guards at Panmunjom were a scary lot! On the line in Seoul or Tacoma I just didn't see the need for it even if it had been allowed. Personally, though the 1911 is a great gun to shoot, in my opinion it was not the best choice for police duty. I would have preferred 357 revolver. More powerful round and a safer weapon. A few less rounds in the gun but I think I could make do. These days there are better choices for double action autos in heavier calibers but the reliability of revolver is hard to beat. I seem to shoot revolver better too ... at targets anyway.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure the flap could be closed on the old cavalry style holster if the 1911's hammer was cocked. Hmm. Anybody got one of those they can check? I mean it's only been fifty years since I wore one.

 

[Mekaniks]

From a Fox news channel in Minnesota....

 

[Ontario Hunter]

The guy's gun was legally acquired and I'm hearing he was registered to conceal carry. He just forgot to have his ID and license in his pocket (allegedly). Technically he was illegal not having the documentation with him but not like he was a felon or using a stolen gun. He made a mistake and forgot his documentation. But he had met the legal requirements to carry. What's the punishment for not having the permit on one's person? Fifty dollar fine? Gotta be a misdemeanor. "Illegal" but not significantly illegal.