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[Tanks]

And so it is,
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BS
I saw the initial video before the scuffle. He approached them with an iPhone not a gun in hand.

 

[John Wasmuth]

I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, but the people have a right to protest. If ICE is in the streets, which are PUBLIC property, the people have a right to be right there with them and protesting.

And if ICE kills someone without being 100% beyond any reasonable doubt of self defense, they need to be held in court as if they were a citizen who had just killed someone. Hell, even people who defend their own homes from burglars have to go to court and get tried for murder. They usually get off because they did the right thing and defended life/property. But ICE doesn’t have any accountability and that is sickening. There isn’t enough due process going around. I don’t even necessarily think all of these ice agents are guilty, but I do think they need to go to court and have a trial to have due process regardless. Even when regular police shoot a civilian (even when the civilian pulls a gun on them) they still have accountability to ensure that it was a legal use of deadly force. Even when the case is open and shut they have to have a trial (even if it’s not public)

The Greenland thing pisses me off the most as someone of Native American decent. You want to take over a country that has 80+% indigenous people, take away their free healthcare, their lack of any property taxes, their way of life, all so we can desecrate their land with mines, oil pipelines, shitty resorts, etc.

Who told you that ice agents and CBP agents are not held accountable? You do know that every case of a Leo that caused the death of anyone goes before a grand jury don’t you? Or does that part irrelevant to the programming? You should try to at least learn something of the basics before you start posting bs.

 

[Altitude sickness]

On two occasions I had to make a decision re perp with a weapon. Granted they had knives not guns. I could legally have shot both perps dead on the spot. Sure, I want to stay alive, but I also have a conscience. Both of those clowns were under the influence and turns out probably looking for suicide by cop. Also, I figured someone somewhere must care about these guys; mother, child, sister, someone. Do I need to kill them and kill a part of their loved ones? Maybe not. Sure, my 1911 came out of the holster and a round jacked in the chamber. "Listen ASSHOLE, unless you want to spend the rest of your life walking around like Long John Silver, you better drop that, NOW!" Second guy says, "Who's Long John Silver?" Roll my eyes: "I'll blow your f*cking leg off, shithead!" Both got the message. They had received Dear John letters and then ingested too much Boones Farm. Booze is a depressant. It only makes bad news badder. If memory serves, the paperwork disappeared for both those guys. Better than putting them in a box. Yeah, I could shoot someone ... if I ABSOLUTELY had to. That smiling cheerful mom in Minneapolis probably could have drove over me and I still wouldn't have fired my gun. For crying out loud, she just told them she dropped her child off at school! Who wants to leave a child without a mom? Over what? Getting bumped by a fender? Asshole! Oh yeah, he was dragged down the road a few days before. And whose fault was that? He broke a rear window, reached in, and hung onto the car as it drove off. Anyone with half a brain would have let go! Not this supercop.

So you were trained to shoot people in the leg?

 

[farmer_john]

So you were trained to shoot people in the leg?

Canadians are very polite.

 

[Brent in Az]

ICE agents finger bitten off by protester.
Yeah.....I would shoot them too.

 

[John Wasmuth]

BS
I saw the initial video before the scuffle. He approached them with an iPhone not a gun in hand.

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Easy sparky I simply posted their media release don’t get your knickers in a knot.

 

[Tanks]

Both of those clowns were under the influence and turns out probably looking for suicide by cop. Also, I figured someone somewhere must care about these guys; mother, child, sister, someone. Do I need to kill them and kill a part of their loved ones? Maybe not. Sure, my 1911 came out of the holster and a round jacked in the chamber.

I know of no LEO that would walk around without a round in the chamber. A guy with a knife in hand could get to you before you could jack that round in the chamber, especially if they were as close as you say they were.

 

[Brent in Az]

That's why Dems hate ICE. Taking away their voters

 

[pilar]

Damn, it looks like my phone was taken over by libtard auto-correct, or the MSM is censoring my post and changing the language...

All I wrote was "I wish this winter weather would go away."

lol! It’s hard to read between the lines in this Libratard climate of discussion !
But hell to the yes , this kinda ice is terrible and unwelcome!
Rock salt is my friend today

 

[skydiver386]

I know of no LEO that would walk around without a round in the chamber. A guy with a knife in hand could get to you before you could jack that round in the chamber, especially if they were as close as you say they were.

Nevermind the possibility of a failure to feed malfunction. There's also the issue of having both hands on your sidearm while dealing with a non complaint individual.

 

[pilar]

I know of no LEO that would walk around without a round in the chamber. A guy with a knife in hand could get to you before you could jack that round in the chamber, especially if they were as close as you say they were.

A good old BARNEY FIFE encounter

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

You gotta fill me in on how he sold out the fishermen? All I’ve read is that the Chinese dropped tariffs on lobster and crab.

There is a fixed amount of lobster buying licenses meaning there is only some many places we can legally sell our catch, we cannot legally sell directly to the consumer. Laws have been removed that protected those licenses from being owned by foreign companies and the Chinese are working on cornering the licensing market. This has been going on post election and one of the reasons I call Chris Dentremont a Sell out he rallied against the changes until he crossed the floor and now he’s claiming Chinese investment is a good thing. If the Chinese manage to corner the market which they look like there going to be able to do they will be able to set the price.

 

[Betterinthebush]

Now, there are problems with ICE enforcement tactics that are unconstitutional at times, and I hope with enough negative press it will get fixed instead of DHS circling wagons around wrongdoing.

@Tanks

Would you mind, please, to expand on this statement? What laws of the Constitution have/are being broken by Imigration, Customs Enforcement agents?

 

[Altitude sickness]

These pics from video show the deceased attacking a woman for same reason. ICE stops him from assaulting her.

Then ICE pulls him off the woman.

After the long scrum the decrease gains a kneeling position. With what appears to be his hand on his right hip. And an ICE agents arms out stretched. Apparently to keep him from un holstering or pulling his pistol.

It appears that as he has his right hand on his hip the officers immediately back away and start firing.

 

[John Wasmuth]

@Tanks

Would you mind, please, to expand on this statement? What laws of the Constitution have/are being broken by Imigration, Customs and Enforcement agents?

I’d be interested in that also…., cuz the media says so doesn’t really qualify as gospel

 

[Altitude sickness]

Who knows. Maybe the deceased was pro ICE and beating up a protester. Either way the root cause was Biden opening the border.

 

[John Wasmuth]

These pics from video show the deceased attacking a woman for same reason. ICE stops him from assaulting her.
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Then ICE pulls him off the woman. View attachment 741340After the long scrum the decrease gains a kneeling position. With what appears to be his hand on his right hip. And an ICE agents arms out stretched. Apparently to keep him from un holstering or pulling his pistol.

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It appears that as he has his right hand on his hip the officers immediately back away and start firing.

But but but it’s been reported that …….

 

[Aaron N]

There is a fixed amount of lobster buying licenses meaning there is only some many places we can legally sell our catch, we cannot legally sell directly to the consumer. Laws have been removed that protected those licenses from being owned by foreign companies and the Chinese are working on cornering the licensing market. This has been going on post election and one of the reasons I call Chris Dentremont a Sell out he rallied against the changes until he crossed the floor and now he’s claiming Chinese investment is a good thing. If the Chinese manage to corner the market which they look like there going to be able to do they will be able to set the price.

Aren’t the fishermen selling to the Chinese the ones selling out the rest of you then?

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Canadians are very polite.

He’s not Canadian

 

[SaintPanzer]

You naval persons are oddly educated. Keegan's "Face of Battle" is the one of the most exceptional meditations on warfare ever written. Whenever I commanded, it was required reading for my subordinate officers (and yes, I would grill them on it through discussion). It is admittedly Anglo-centric, but then Keegan was English.

However, I do generally agree with your explanation of the "meaning" of Clausewitz's interpretation of the relationship between war and other international discourse.

Now go back and read Mask of Command and review the part about how personal leadership is no longer needed/relevant in the nuclear age.

"Oddly". "Thoroughly." Tomato/Tomahto.

Yes, he got some things right. But then there was that. One can't just rest on one's laurels, can one? In this case, he deserved the rebuke because he was not thorough in his research. As the stock traders say, past performance is not an indicator of future results.