HUNTING Giraffe

Bit late but I have reloaded and hunted with Woodleigh's. Re the soft nose, if impact velocity is with-in the recommended velocities they perform well. Push them harder and they expand retain a lot of weight but mushroom quite wide so this effects penetration depth. In my 35Sambar I have shot Sambar Deer and on a couple occasions the impact velocity would have been at least 200fps faster than recommended. They were found under the opposite skin - broke a shoulder on one and ribs + opposite leg. Expanded to little over 2 twice the diameter and retained between 70 & 80% of bullet weight from memory.

They had complaints about the 300grain 375 expanding to readily and not providing sufficient penetration so now have two 300 grainers. The standard and a new one with a thicker jacket for better penetration.

The only Woodleigh's I have used on very large animals are the Hydro's in 416 calibre. Their 410 grain 416 soft point, front shot quartering shot at a Blue Wildebeest just over 100mts, ended up against the skin just in front of the back leg. Yet in a Warthog front on at 40mts no exit.

So limited experience on big game.
Rule 303
I love the Woodleigh. Agree with impact velocity but I don't shoot animals near the muzzle.
I load my 35Whelan with 225 gn PPSN ,65grains cfe223 chronoed muzzle velocity 2,950fps . I shot my black wildebeest at around 170 yards slightly 1/4ing away. Thu and thru shot breaking offside shoulder. He only ran 20yards and piled up.
Hartman zebra same projectile at 100yards broadside smashed both shoulders and bullet found just under the skin on the offside.
Photos attached show recovered woodleigh from zebra and accubond from my kudu. Kudu hit front on ,bullet traveled thru 5 foot of animal but didn't hit any major bones.
Woodleigh gets a big thumbs up from me.
Cheaper here in oz than nosler to.
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It is a BIG mistake to shoot a giraffe behind the shoulder.
I don't know what you shot is with , but you are quite lucky to have found it at all.
One that I am aware of was shot last year with .375H&H behind the shoulder and the PH followed up with a .500 , which hit too far back.
The animal ran/walked for 26km. Was only found the next day - sick but still on its feet. Fortunately there are no lions or spotted Hyenas on that reserve , otherwise it would probably have ended up as dinner.
 
Giraffe is at the top of my wifes list for a future trip. Bought her an R8 in 300WM and am going to get a 416 rem barrel for it for this purpose and the possibility of buffalo in the future. Feel that its wise to take the 416 after the giraffe so its sufficient for whatever shot is presented.

I plan on using A Frames for all our other calibers but have heard about the incredible thickness of giraffe hide. Will an A Frame be sufficient for a heart shot on giraffe or should I look into a mono expanding bullet like the Barnes for this particular purpose due to the penetration they get?
 
I've taken far more giraffes than I should . . . and I've used both A-Frames and Triple Shock's successfully. In a .416 I don't think you will need to worry - even with the impressively thick hide on (parts of) a giraffe, you should get more than enough penetration to do the job.

You might also want to think about the high neck shot (where penetration is not an issue). The result is very impressive.
 
I've taken far more giraffes than I should . . . and I've used both A-Frames and Triple Shock's successfully. In a .416 I don't think you will need to worry - even with the impressively thick hide on (parts of) a giraffe, you should get more than enough penetration to do the job.

You might also want to think about the high neck shot (where penetration is not an issue). The result is very impressive.
Thank you sir! She will of course take whatever shot the PH recommends and is a very good shot, I just figure it would be wise to be prepared to take a heart shot, and 300WM isnt ideal for that on this animal so might as well get the 416 barrel, we will need it for buff one day anyway.

Not to mention I bought 120 rounds of 416 rem on sale for $2.5/rd through nosler before I even bought the gun let alone the barrel haha. So that will be great for practice ammo and nice once fired cases to put some A Frames in
 
Giraffe is at the top of my wifes list for a future trip. Bought her an R8 in 300WM and am going to get a 416 rem barrel for it for this purpose and the possibility of buffalo in the future. Feel that its wise to take the 416 after the giraffe so its sufficient for whatever shot is presented.

I plan on using A Frames for all our other calibers but have heard about the incredible thickness of giraffe hide. Will an A Frame be sufficient for a heart shot on giraffe or should I look into a mono expanding bullet like the Barnes for this particular purpose due to the penetration they get?
A-Frames are sufficient for just ,about anything on earth unless you want a solid..so is a .300
 
It is a BIG mistake to shoot a giraffe behind the shoulder.
I don't know what you shot is with , but you are quite lucky to have found it at all.
One that I am aware of was shot last year with .375H&H behind the shoulder and the PH followed up with a .500 , which hit too far back.
The animal ran/walked for 26km. Was only found the next day - sick but still on its feet. Fortunately there are no lions or spotted Hyenas on that reserve , otherwise it would probably have ended up as dinner.

My wife shot hers close behind the shoulder with a 30/06 ,180 gr A-Frame and it was dead before it hit the ground ...
 
I've taken far more giraffes than I should . . . and I've used both A-Frames and Triple Shock's successfully. In a .416 I don't think you will need to worry - even with the impressively thick hide on (parts of) a giraffe, you should get more than enough penetration to do the job.

You might also want to think about the high neck shot (where penetration is not an issue). The result is very impressive.
I agree. Most wounded giraffes are the result of attempted heart shots that didn't find the mark. High neck or head is a much better option.
As to bullet choice, I use Swift A Frames and haven't had a problem to date. My "go to" in my .338WM is a 275gr A Frame. This will go most of the way if not clean through a buffalo. But a monometal is also a good option.
 
I agree. Most wounded giraffes are the result of attempted heart shots that didn't find the mark. High neck or head is a much better option.
As to bullet choice, I use Swift A Frames and haven't had a problem to date. My "go to" in my .338WM is a 275gr A Frame. This will go most of the way if not clean through a buffalo. But a monometal is also a good option.

I figure if you can't hit the heart of a Giraffe then you have no business trying for a high neck or head shot. .However if the heart shot miss is due to not knowing the anatomy of the animal then why is someone aiming for it.
 
I figure if you can't hit the heart of a Giraffe then you have no business trying for a high neck or head shot. .However if the heart shot miss is due to not knowing the anatomy of the animal then why is someone aiming for it.
A bit harsh I'd say, @Rule 303!

We've all, well at least I have - completely missed entire animals which are a whole lot bigger than a giraffe's heart (big though that may be). The problem with missing the heart on a giraffe is that you have an excellent chance of still hitting the giraffe, resulting in what could be a very long recovery, or even a loss. And of course this can happen even if you know where the heart is and you were aiming straight for it.

If you miss the high neck shot, you stand a pretty good chance of missing the giraffe entirely. And I'd rather miss entirely than hit the animal but still miss a vital organ.
 
A bit harsh I'd say, @Rule 303!

We've all, well at least I have - completely missed entire animals which are a whole lot bigger than a giraffe's heart (big though that may be). The problem with missing the heart on a giraffe is that you have an excellent chance of still hitting the giraffe, resulting in what could be a very long recovery, or even a loss. And of course this can happen even if you know where the heart is and you were aiming straight for it.

If you miss the high neck shot, you stand a pretty good chance of missing the giraffe entirely. And I'd rather miss entirely than hit the animal but still miss a vital organ.
I agree. That said, there are really two issues with the heart shot (apart from the fact that one can often see the head but not the body). The first is that people seem not to understand exactly where the heart is situated , or where exactly to aim given the angle and so end up hitting the animal in a non vital area (typically the stomach). The second is that the leg bone is very thick, so a quarter on shot can result in a deflection or blow up. The head of a giraffe is actually pretty big, especially when viewed front on (common presentation as giraffes have that habit) and a hit anywhere on the head or upper spine with a decent calibre will knock the animal down - in all likelihood for good. A gut shot giraffe , on the other hand, can run for days. A side on head shot is also not a great idea unless you are very certain of your aim as the chance of wounding is high - so in that presentation the high spine (which is a good sized target) is the better option.
 
Thinking about keeping the first trip as simple.as possible and leave the 416 barrel for a later date

From what I gather here, for neck or head shots the .300WM with aframes will be just fine.

In the event of a body/heart shot, would .375HH with aframes suffice or would it be wise to take a box of barnes due to the extra penetration they seem to offer? Or even barnes in .300WM might do? I'm never the type to want to error on the side of not enough gun, recoil isnt an issue
 
Yes, a 300WM is fine. Just use the heaviest bullet your rifle will shoot well. 200-220gr is good and the bullet must be strong (like an A frame) to minimise the risk of blow up. Actually there is no real risk of a blow up with a high neck shot as the skin in that area is thin and the shot will basically be directly onto the spine. Still, better to be safe than sorry, so use a premium bullet.
.375H&H is pretty much the "go to" / default calibre for all medium to large game in these parts (with the exception of elephant, although also used for that) and an ideal calibre for giraffe. Unless you are hunting in a desert region, where long shots are the rule, go for a good 300gr bullet - like an A frame. A slightly lighter monometal is also an option, but I am very happy with the performance of A frames on everything , so that is what I would go for. That sort of load works well on buffalo so it is definitely all you need for a giraffe - just be careful about shot placement when going for the heart. A lung shot giraffe can run a long way, and a gut shot one pretty much doesn't stop. One should never try for the heart when approaching from the rear (say quartering away) as the trajectory will be through the stomach, which is typically full of twigs, etc and there is a good chance that the bullet will not penetrate that mass. Rather wait for the animal to stand and look at you - which they normally do after a while if you don't chase them hard.
 
My wife shot hers close behind the shoulder with a 30/06 ,180 gr A-Frame and it was dead before it hit the ground ...

Hunting Giraffe into the body with a 30-06 was a mistake. You were lucky!
 
A bit harsh I'd say, @Rule 303!

We've all, well at least I have - completely missed entire animals which are a whole lot bigger than a giraffe's heart (big though that may be). The problem with missing the heart on a giraffe is that you have an excellent chance of still hitting the giraffe, resulting in what could be a very long recovery, or even a loss. And of course this can happen even if you know where the heart is and you were aiming straight for it.

If you miss the high neck shot, you stand a pretty good chance of missing the giraffe entirely. And I'd rather miss entirely than hit the animal but still miss a vital organ.

Hank2211 I'd say it was a pretty fair call. Heads move frequently. A hit can miss the brain and major blood vessels. This can result in a broken lower or upper jaw, loss of the back of the head etc. Animal dies a slow death from starvation and/or infection, not something I would want. Miss the heart and you have a good chance of hitting the lungs. Upper neck shot or any neck shot would be a preferred option to me over the head. This can still result in a wounded animal. Happened to me with a Camel that the mate encouraged me to take the head shot as he does. Camel moved its head as I shot. Lucky for me I was using enough gun that it stunned the animal long enough for me to get a shoulder shot in. Like you I have missed an animal, buck fever:Banghead:

There is no perfect answer to this in my view. I still see it as a hunters duty to not take a shot if they are not confident of their ability to place the shot or if there is a good chance of a wounded animal. I personally see head shots as the riskiest of all shots unless you are up very close.
 
Hank2211 I'd say it was a pretty fair call. Heads move frequently. A hit can miss the brain and major blood vessels. This can result in a broken lower or upper jaw, loss of the back of the head etc. Animal dies a slow death from starvation and/or infection, not something I would want. Miss the heart and you have a good chance of hitting the lungs. Upper neck shot or any neck shot would be a preferred option to me over the head. This can still result in a wounded animal. Happened to me with a Camel that the mate encouraged me to take the head shot as he does. Camel moved its head as I shot. Lucky for me I was using enough gun that it stunned the animal long enough for me to get a shoulder shot in. Like you I have missed an animal, buck fever:Banghead:

There is no perfect answer to this in my view. I still see it as a hunters duty to not take a shot if they are not confident of their ability to place the shot or if there is a good chance of a wounded animal. I personally see head shots as the riskiest of all shots unless you are up very close.
Like many of you, I regard the skulls of many species as a significant trophy. This is certainly true of a giraffe. Given the problems of hair slippage during tanning, a giraffe's skull may be the only thing worth keeping. Therefore, although a head shot will probably bring him down like the crack of doom, it will likely significantly damage the animal's interesting skull. A giraffe's skull is a true biological oddity with its short three 'horns.' Why break it?
 
Here are a few giraffe pics to get the old heart pumping for those of you heading off to challenge yourself in the near future! We absolutely love our black giraffe and have made a point of specializing in it!

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I'm fascinated. I've shot literally hundreds of animals up to the size kudu with a 180 grain nosler partitions in 300 Win mag loaded to go about 3000 fps. I'm a pathologist so I'm particularly interested in wound channels and bullet failures. I'm known over much of southern African as that 'idiot crawling around bloody carcasses.' Therefore, except in some small animals, where the partition shot thru and thru, I've recovered almost all bullets fired.

I've had exactly one partition bullet failure. The failure was much as you described with loss of mass--primarily lead--in front of the partition. The large majority of the bullets that 'stuck' were mushroomed perfectly under the far side skin. I'm also somewhat an aficionado of the Barnes Triple Shock bullet but have seen a solitary failure here, too. It was a 130 grain, 'store bought' 270. The animal was a 12 point whitetail buck struck in the humerus [mid-shoulder] at about 100 yds. The bone was fractured but the deer ran off and was found two months later one mile and a half away. The slug fell out of the buck's HEAD as I was boiling it out. The front of the bullet was planed backward as if had obliqued off of the humerus or some other hard structure.

So few bullets are absolutely perfect but some bullets--some very expensive bullets--have performed miserably in my hands. We had some perfectly negative experiences in the Zambesi Valley, years ago. I will not mention the bullet because the manufacturer threatened me with a lawsuit if I ever did. Suffice it to say it was a very expensive premium bullet in 375 that weighed more than 280 grains.

And the shotgun comparison. Did you shoot it from the bench? Firing a 12 gauge the way they're usually fired i.e. at a rapidly moving, generally flying, target is definitely NOT the same thing as firing the shotgun from a bench as you would a rifle. The dynamics of your body moving, swinging and PULLING the trigger makes perceived recoil so much less. This goes doubly for the mighty 10 gauge magnum. Sitting down on the bench, pulling the stock tight against your shoulder, aiming carefully and S Q U E E Z I N G the trigger is just a whole lot of fun.

By the way, do you, or anyone else, here, have experience reloading and hunting with Woodleigh bullets?
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Love woodleigh projectiles. I have never recovered a 280grain RNSP in 430 cal from a deer all thru and thru, but did manage to recover a 225grain PPSP from a burchells zebra stallion. It was shot at around 120 yards with my 35 Whelen at a muzzle velocity of 2950fps. Impact velocity was around the max recommended. The projectile hit the humerous smashing it, continued on to destroy the heart and lungs broke the offside scapula and was found under the skin. Retained weight was around 170grains.
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Mrs BeeMaa has just added Giraffe to her 2022 list.
Planning on a 375H&H with 300 grain Barnes TSX.
She is in favor of the high neck shot as long as it presents itself.
If it drops to the shot, great.
If not, I'll back her up with a 416RM to the lungs.
 

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