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Sideshow said:
Iran fired rockets at Israel 12 minutes after they agreed to the ceasefire fairly sure they also fired them at the golf states and Saudi. But I’ll need to reread the news thread that I posted above.
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Something something Bibi… something something TACO… something something world economy.

;)
 
Let’s face it. Chuck Schumer and his minions don’t care about the constitution, Iranians, the Lebanese or the money being spent on the war.

It’s that the billions being spent on the war. Could have been sent to Somali NGOs. LA Hospice NGOs and then of course back to the Democrats. The Democrats are broke. And the NGO slush fund is now down to a trickle.
 
Red Leg said:
I know many of you, for some good reason, despise the NY Times. I also suspect many have rarely read an article ever actually printed in it. I would urge all of you to make an exception for this one - if there isn't a paywall. During any administration, there will be three or four journalists with whom a President is comfortable having a detailed background dialogue. That journalist will also be one with whom he also will allow his closest advisors to dialogue. I am fairly confident that Maggie Habermann of the NYT represents such a conduit for Trump. This article is superb and could only be written with such access. It makes something of a mockery of the democrat talking points that Trump blindly stumbled into this conflict or was led around by the nose by the Israelis. I reiterate, it was published yesterday in the NY Times.


or if behind a paywall, try this link.


Well worth 5 or 10 minutes.
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The NYT article is used to confirm most of our biases. Everyone will pull from it what they need or want.

The anti Israel, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owen, Joe Rogan, Shawn Ryan, Megan Kelly and most of the left will use it to confirm that Israel talked Trump into the war. And is pulling his strings.

I confirm my bias and read the article as simply explaining the timeline. Why now ?

Trump already decided to go last July. And wanted to go.

BiBi said. Hezbollah and Hamas are on the ropes. The enriched fuel is located and isolated. The leadership will all be in one spot and in the open on this day . Now is the time.

BiBi had his say and put forth his opinion. But he isn’t running anything. Israel sure did clear the field though. Making the timeline possible. Killing Hamas and Hezbollah leaders and henchmen for months.

So far, The Crown Prince MBS is giving his blessing and would be placed above BiBi in the decision making hierarchy.

BiBi is the Belgian Malinois not the handler.
 
Altitude sickness said:
The NYT article is used to confirm most of our biases. Everyone will pull from it what they need or want.

The anti Israel, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owen, Joe Rogan, Shawn Ryan, Megan Kelly and most of the left will use it to confirm that Israel talked Trump into the war. And is pulling his strings.

I confirm my bias and read the article as simply explaining the timeline. Why now ?

Trump already decided to go last July. And wanted to go.

BiBi said. Hezbollah and Hamas are on the ropes. The enriched fuel is located and isolated. The leadership will all be in one spot and in the open on this day . Now is the time.

BiBi had his say and put forth his opinion. But he isn’t running anything. Israel sure did clear the field though. Making the timeline possible. Killing Hamas and Hezbollah leaders and henchmen for months.

So far, The Crown Prince MBS is giving his blessing and would be placed above BiBi in the decision making hierarchy.

BiBi is the Belgian Malinois not the handler.
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The biggest thing I take out of the article is Vance's people helping him position himself to distance from this in the 2028 run. To me that was the whole point of the article.
 
Russ16 said:
The biggest thing I take out of the article is Vance's people helping him position himself to distance from this in the 2028 run. To me that was the whole point of the article.
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Some may remember my being vocal about not being a fan of our VP. I think you’re correct. I also think Vance may have been left out intentionally. Both can be true. That’s a bold claim to make and probably not correct. Edit: actually that is crazy the more I think about it so disregard that part of this post.

All I know is Vance is in that isolationist/libertarian wing of the party and may have advised against it. I think it’s interesting that when Joe Kent resigned he met with Vance prior, along with Tulsi Gabbard (another member of that wing of the party). Does that mean anything? Perhaps not, just think it’s interesting. Vance also hasn’t said one word about his good buddy Tucker Carlson and his lunacy.
 
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Folks..unless Trump manage to curb Israel/Nethan in Lebanon, the peace plan is doomed..

It seems that your admin. has pressured Nethan to talk peace with Lebanon..although it is a bit unclear..

Lets cross fingers for the peace plan to succeed..
 
Pondoro said:
Folks..unless Trump manage to curb Israel/Nethan in Lebanon, the peace plan is doomed..

It seems that your admin. has pressured Nethan to talk peace with Lebanon..although it is a bit unclear..

Lets cross fingers for the peace plan to succeed..
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I’m sure Trumps public statements are 180 from what he tells Israel. Hezbollah needs to be run to ground and strangled. They are probably more potent than most of Irans troops.

Also, I’m sure Israel has the locations of some Iranians hiding in Lebanon that need to be eradicated.
 
Altitude sickness said:
I’m sure Trumps public statements are 180 from what he tells Israel. Hezbollah needs to be run to ground and strangled. They are probably more potent than most of Irans troops.

Also, I’m sure Israel has the locations of some Iranians hiding in Lebanon that need to be eradicated.
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Bye bye peace plan..
 
Wishfulthinker580 said:
Hard to have a peace plan with no peace eh? Blame die Juden some more
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It is always like this..when one dare to critize Israel you guys immediately draw the anti-semite card..just like debating with zionist jews.. Though all jews are not zionist..far from it..

Is Israel above critisism..no matter what..?
 
Pondoro said:
Folks..unless Trump manage to curb Israel/Nethan in Lebanon, the peace plan is doomed..

It seems that your admin. has pressured Nethan to talk peace with Lebanon..although it is a bit unclear..

Lets cross fingers for the peace plan to succeed..
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I agree with you that an acceptable peace would be great.
 
Pondoro said:
It is always like this..when one dare to critize Israel you guys immediately draw the anti-semite card..just like debating with zionist jews.. Though all jews are not zionist..far from it..

Is Israel above critisism..no matter what..?
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Naw mate. I figure if striking hezbollah wasn’t in the deal then it shouldn’t affect the ceasefire. Anyone with any sense and honesty knows why iran doesn’t want them doing that. I do wonder about people who blame Israel for literally everything though
 
Make no mistake this is a one-sided negotiation. The negotiation team is being magnanimous and letting Iran save a little face so they walk away with something.

But Iran chose not to negotiate when they still had poker chips to bargain with a month ago.
 
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