The Difference Between An Agreeable & A Difficult Client From A Professional Hunter Perspective...

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  1. Nhoro

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    The law in Zimbabwe is that the person conducting the hunt must be a licensed PH in Zimbabwe. This requires that he/ she is a Zimbabwe resident and has passed PH licence and is currently licensed. South African/ Tanzanian qualifications do not count. Also be aware that PAC (problem animal control) permits are not for foreign clients. You should only hunt in terms of a hunting permit paying the trophy fee, even if the animal is a crop raider. PAC permits are for citizens only and not paid for. Unfortunately dodgy things happen but you wouldn’t want to end up on the wrong side of zim law
     
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  2. One Day...

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    This is exactly why I was asking the question, Nhoro, I was under the impression that a SA PH could not legally conduct hunts in Zimbabwe, but this story created a doubt in my mind. Thank you for clarifying things.

    Can a SA PH guide in Zim if he is acting as "second PH" to a Zim PH? Or maybe regulations were more relaxed a decade or two ago? Or maybe IvW is a Zim citizen living in RSA and he is licensed in several countries? Or maybe he was a Zim resident at the time and he is licensed in Zim? I asked him one time in which country(ies) he is licensed and for which outfitter(s) he is guiding but he did not answer.

    As to the tuskless cow, yes I am aware. This will be a trophy fee hunt, with a Zim outfitter and guided by a Zim PH. Details still to be worked out as I have not yet committed and written a check :)
     
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  3. Nhoro

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    better to stay the right side of the law in Africa
     

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    ...... or, if you can imagine, a (Rhodesian) Zimbabwe citizen who might have emigrated to South Africa.
     

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    This is from thread hunting infor by country, a qoute for Zimbabwe PH's.
    There is also good number of sponsors from South Africa, advertising hunts in ZIM.

    So, the question is in reality how does it work? Who today is licensed PH in Zim?
    Is there a public list of licensed Zim PH?
    I found one list by google search, but dated 2012.
     

  6. Nhoro

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    You can have a foreign passport but must be resident in Zim. So if
     

  7. Nhoro

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    Yes there are a number of SA operators working in conjunction with Zim operators. I would check that they do follow the law and use a Zim licence PH. They will usually have an agreement with a Zim operator to do those hunts but I have seen hunting reports on this website giving evidence that foreign PH’s illegally conducted hunts. I also saw a hunting report where a problem animal was paid for and shot in a communal area. The hunters did not know they had broken the law, they thought they had a cheap ‘roughing it ‘hunt and had helped the community.

    Zimbabwe Professional hunters association produces a list of members who are confirmed licence holders so I would start at their website. I do not know of any definitive list of licence holders unfortunately.
     

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    The answer to your question from another thread on AH. referenced below.
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    https://www.africahunting.com/threa...l-hunters-and-guides-association-zphga.39003/


    References the contact information for the ZPHGA
    Contact them and ask for a current list.

    https://ophaa.org/member-associations/zimbabwe-professional-hunters-and-guides-association/
     
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    Many thanks!
     

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    Having re-read this thread I must say that I didn't fully understand how distasteful and disagreeable a lot we hunters can be for African PH's. I personally will try to do better. Thanks for the post. I will try not to be Mr X!....................FWB
     

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    I took a shooting course some years ago and one thing the instructor said has stuck with me: "Most people don't know what they don't know." I thought of that when I read IvW's story. Mr. X didn't know what he didn't know.
     

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    Isn't this guy who REALLY believes in Sasquatch's?
     

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    The difference could be, between a good PH and a difficult one
    Not all PH's are good and typically the bad ones have a big mouth and a ego to go with it
     
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    I want to take a life insurance policy on him.
     

  15. Uncle Sauce

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    Great reading @IvW - great story!
     
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    Out of luck. No one would underwrite it. :A Deal:
     

  17. Bob Nelson 35Whelen

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    The saying goes the man with one gun probably knows how to use it.
    Likewise beware of the man with the big mouth he probably knows how to use it. If you can't walk the walk then don't talk the talk. Always listen to your PH. I did an learnt a lot and had a great hunt.
    Cheers mate
    Bob
     
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    Great story. We call people like Mr X, “ mr . Bigger, better , faster”
    They know everything , and always have something a better. Worst kind to be in camp with, has to be even worse as a PH.
     
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