The Difference Between An Agreeable & A Difficult Client From A Professional Hunter Perspective...

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  1. cls

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    Enjoyed the read, you definitely took me along for the ride.
     
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    Thank you IvW for sharing. Enjoyed it very much. Please tell us some more!
     
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    excellent read sir! I once hunted in mexico and when we were leaving, two separate camps joined together to travel back. The group that joined us had a "professional" ball
    player with a film crew. Our outfitter had spent all his time in the other camp, catering to the high dollar clients. When we went through several check points one of the guys in the other
    group was so nervous we had to pull over so he could be sick! The ball player got out and mooned the military officials at the check point. Oh if they would have put one in his ass I would have laughed
    till I got home. Some people/hunters are unbelievable!
    Thank you for a great story and some great insight!

    Every one in our hunting party killed, no one in the other group did
     

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    Very good read IvW! It puts a lot of things into perspective for me. Makes me extra mindful about listening to others with far more experience than myself. I think we all get caught up in reading gun magazines and gun books from so called experts, and forget the fact that most of those authors are not PHs. The guys that have been there and done that, like yourself, are the guys my money is on.
    @IvW, you are an asset to this site, and I appreciate your professional insite into most subjects I'm interested in.
     
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    Very enjoyable story, thanks for sharing!
     
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    awesome story telling! You need to post another.
    I have had the unfortunate displeasure of crossing path with "outdoor personalities" 3 times. And I can say all 3 were equal to your nightmare Mr.X.
    The first had a last name that started with "Z" and wrote for a well know magazine. He was a pure nasty chain smoking arse. But he could hunt and shoot at least the canned trophy moose that was saved and monitored and watched for a week for him to come and kill.
    the other 2 were nice but worthless hunters that couldn't hit shit. One a self proclaimed long range hunter missed at 200yds and locked the bolt on his rifle with too hot a handload and was done for the day. took him 7 shots to kill the next day but the film only showed 1 hit. The 3rd bozo turned a poor sheep into hamburger with his utterly horrible shooting. Moral of the story the TV hero's are nothing but bozo's!
     
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    The world would be shocked if they see most of the unedited actual footage of what went down.....
     
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    Good to hear your perspective LvW...........Also enjoyed the "Magnum Tv" episode inserted. Those guys are much more courageous than I thought. We have all done dumb things in our lives, but to show them on TV takes real guts. Happily, sounds as if most of your clients are pretty good guys though, Lvw.......Great post...........thanks...........FWB
     
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    Wonder what went on off camera.......
     
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    What an entertaining (and educational) story...I loved it! Unfortunately there are Mr. X's in all walks of life. As a former whitetail guide I had to deal with one or two every year. Unfortunately the one that you had to deal with put people's lives in danger and that ain't cool.
    I hope to read more of your adventures on here soon!
     
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    I will second that!!!
     
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    Thanks for sharing the experience! I was on the edge of my seat with the cow buff part especially!!!:eek:
     
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    Very interesting footage. I went back and watched the opening credits again to make sure I was right and I have met a few of those guys on magnum tv.
    And if I recall correctly Tim herald was involved in an accident where he shot his ph in a Buffalo charge. Not only poor behavior but possibly very
    dangerous to be around.
     
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    Well recounted story. Sounds like most of us have encountered that type of person. The world is full of them. I learned from very hard experience that the best way to deal with them is be quiet and give them a wide berth. Thank you for the story. I too would enjoy reading more of your exploits!!
     
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    I really enjoyed the story lvw. I have had the pleasure of hunting with some very good PH’s on my trips to Africa. I cannot say the same for all of the Outfitters in Africa...some very well know operations that left much to be desired.
    I have hunted with plenty of TV personalities through the years and like most things some are good and some are bad. It’s easy to critique what their doing from the comfort of our armchairs while not being in the field with them attempting to bring a story to the TV viewer.
    In the end it is very difficult to hunt while being filmed and not be forced to recreate shots and angles in order to try and convey to the viewer a better viewing experience.
    Most of us on this forum are very experienced but that’s not the case with the average TV viewer.
     
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    @IvW Thank you for sharing your experience, you are a gifted writer and like many here you write a book I will but it.

    I have helped put together many trips over the years for hunting, fishing, travel motorcycle rides and have always working on making sure the group dynamics are good and that everyone is humble and cooperative and supportive of everyone else. That started on a motorcycle ride years ago where I got invited along to replace someone who had dropped out at the last minute and there was a Mr X as the group leader by day 3 no one was talking to each other and there was still 7 more days to go. Well that morning I let the group leave and I took the map and did a alternate route that got to the lodgings for the day. the next day 2 of the group went with me and they have become life long friends and I never spoke with Mr X again. There are knucklehead know it all's in every walk of life!!!

    IvW I salute you on your professionalism and would love to share a camp fire with you any day.
     

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    @IvW Thank you for the read. Once started I could not stop. Regardless of hunting or fishing or "put in whatever profession one desires" I cannot understand why someone would question the person they've hired or take they position that one knows more - if that's the case why did you hire someone? I've seen and heard it too and just shake my head. I am always asking questions of those I hire to "learn at their feet" which requires truly listening and hearing and then taking the information to heart. Glad that in the end everyone was safe.
     
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    Thank you for your kind words.
     
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    After watching the linked video again- I was not seeing things during my first viewing with where Mr Team Magnum’s first shot hit that bull!!- a common and classic miss and mistake on frontal shots on buff. He either muffed the shot or didn’t really know where to hit it in the first place.... all from a rest in that tree. Lucky no one got run over after that and they were able to finally kill it. The hit in the left shoulder was well outside that “shielded” zone that Cape buffalo anatomy provides for frontal trauma and punctures. That first hit should have been way left of where Mr TV put it. I watched another hunter make an almost identical hit on a buff several years ago - the trackers and his PH never did find it.
     

  20. Ed Lally

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    Great story and a wonderful read. Well presented with just the right amount of cliff hanging drama!!! Please post additional experiences as this one was great!!!.

    Most of us are good at what we do. How else would we afford such an expensive addiction. Many of us may even be Professionals, as in Doctors, Architects, Electricians, Plumbers or Masters of Business and Trade, etc. (I am a Licensed Professional Engineer). Many may be, in fact, experts in our field. The most intelligent of us know what we know, but more importantly, we know what we do not know. That is why we hunt with a Professional Hunter. Anyone who ignores or marginalizes the advice given by your PH is, indeed, a fool - because they do not know what they do not know. I am thankful for the advice, guidance and opinions expressed by my PH. Their help, advice and assistance has led to wonderful experiences, truly unforgettable memories and a lot of trophies, which may not have been the biggest animal in the area but they were the ones I shot on a great trip with great friends. Hats off to ALL PHs and their crews. Thank you and may God Bless.

    Ed
     
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