SAFETY WARNING!

I just can't see how a traditional bolt action is safer, the lockup is weaker if anything.
Strength is only one part of the equation, how a gun I desigen to protect the shooter if something fails is just as important. And there lies the beauty of the m98!
When working the Blaser R93 is probably 5-10 times stronger then it need to be. Good. Helps nothing when it fails.
 
as the above post says, you have to respect the failsafe aspect of the mauser 98 design.
the fact that an action designed in the 1800s can function quite safely with such rounds as 7mm rem mag for a lifetime speaks loudly for both the design and the safety if something goes wrong.
metals then were nothing like metals today.
if they started to fail, they set back rather than letting go.
they had a safety lug at the root of the bolt handle.
they directed gas away from the shooter.
an ammount of thought obviously went into what would happen under less than ideal conditions, and was engineered in.
somewhere in this thread it mentions a test done in australia of a straight pull action.
it mentions fingers breaking off one by one.
could these fingers have been not bearing evenly in their recesses, allowing one or a few to take all the thrust?
if one lug is not bearing in a mauser, the other one will set back until both bear, taking equal load.
soft steel does have some benefits.
bruce.
 
I don’t know why this post still exists. It was started years ago about some failures with the Blaser R93 which is no longer made. Since so few of them had a problem I am certain there are underlying reason for the failure that are out of Blasers control.
Kill this once and for all!
 
Interesting video on guns with obstructed barrels blowing up (or not), shot at 4000 frames per second.


That test is 100% bullshit. If you believe that I can sell you the USS Missouri going cheap. Questions to ask, what ammo was used in each test? How many slugs were in each barrel? How tight was the vice done up on each rifle. Look how far back each rifle recoils.

It was the barrel that went not the action. The Rem 700 actions have been PROVEN to be some of the strongest going. Period.

That video has been discredited that many times since it first came out it is not funny.
 
Straight pull bolt action is much quicker on the second shot. The only thing faster with the second shot is a double rifle.
No disrespect, as we are just sharing ideas here but, please define: “much quicker”.
 
Fellow Rifle Grumps,

Ok so, hopefully you Blazer guys can forgive me for this smartass reply.
It is meant only in jest, not malice.
But if you can’t, that’s ok too.
No doubt I’ve had worse.

Either way, the below attached photos are depicting the perfect companion piece hand gun, to compliment today’s straight pull rifle mechanisms.:ROFLMAO:

Furthermore, to parry any potential thrusts at my gizzard, so to speak, I always find humor if not comfort, in the slings and arrows launched toward me, for my out of touch prune faced old fart notions.
(Not the least of which is my affection for fixed, low power scopes, with standard crosshairs reticule).

Best Regards,
Velo Dog.
 

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I am French and helping a close friend of mine, who was the victim of a hunting accident, which turned him into a blind person 10 years ago in Portugal.
Through internet searching, it appears that a similar accident occured in Australia on March 1st, 2014 to Mr. Thexton Daikin when using a Blaser R93 .338 Lapua Magnum gun. A trial ended up with a decision condemning the gunmaker Blaser to pay compensation to Mr. Thexton Daikin.
We are looking for the full text of this decision.
Could somebody be kind enough to tell me if and how I can retrieve such a document, which would be of the highest interest to my friend in his trial against Blaser ?

I thank you in advance for your kind help and am looking forward to hearing from you.
 
I am French and helping a close friend of mine, who was the victim of a hunting accident, which turned him into a blind person 10 years ago in Portugal.
Through internet searching, it appears that a similar accident occured in Australia on March 1st, 2014 to Mr. Thexton Daikin when using a Blaser R93 .338 Lapua Magnum gun. A trial ended up with a decision condemning the gunmaker Blaser to pay compensation to Mr. Thexton Daikin.
We are looking for the full text of this decision.
Could somebody be kind enough to tell me if and how I can retrieve such a document, which would be of the highest interest to my friend in his trial against Blaser ?

I thank you in advance for your kind help and am looking forward to hearing from you.
Any kind of lawyer worth his ridiculous fees should know how to search this up. Your friend should find better legal representation. If he was blinded by a gun discharge, the lawyers should be beating down his door to take the case.
 
Any kind of lawyer worth his ridiculous fees should know how to search this up. Your friend should find better legal representation. If he was blinded by a gun discharge, the lawyers should be beating down his door to take the case.
The post seems like bullshit to me... Daikin Thexton is easy to find as he is a sponsor at our Aus Deer Assoc branch. I doubt if there are others with the same name.
 
The post seems like bullshit to me... Daikin Thexton is easy to find as he is a sponsor at our Aus Deer Assoc branch. I doubt if there are others with the same name.
They may be looking for Statement of Claim or judgment. If Mr. Thexton settled out of court, it might be conditional on non disclosure and contacting him directly may not be the best route.

My question is why are they looking to litigate ten years after the incident? Typically claims are subject to a relatively short limitations period for filing (here it's within two years of incident for most things).
 
They may be looking for Statement of Claim or judgment. If Mr. Thexton settled out of court, it might be conditional on non disclosure and contacting him directly may not be the best route.

My question is why are they looking to litigate ten years after the incident? Typically claims are subject to a relatively short limitations period for filing (here it's within two years of incident for most things).
That is in Canada, so we do not know.

DGPO, that case was in the State of Victoria. You could PM Sambarhunter for contact details if he is willing to assist, or The Australian Deer Assoc. But for the documents you are looking for, if Mr Thexton is not allowed to assist because of a non-disclosure clause- from memory I think there is such a clause in place-, then you will have to contact the clerk of courts for the Victorian Courts. Not magistrates Court but main courts. Google should be able to help there. This is where I would start. Might not be allowed to give you such info but should be able to give the result as far as the finding for or against Blaser. This is as much help as I can be.
 
Somehow I missed this thread!

I went through the posts on 1st page, and I saw the Blaser R93 was highlited very soon. I skipped 6 other pages.

So, here is German investigation on Blaser R93.

It is published in German, but below the link I will copy a translation by google translator.

The text must be compared with pix on the link


This is the text from the link by google translator:

A DJZ reader suffered serious facial injuries when the bolt on his Blaser R 93 opened by itself during firing and the unlocked bolt was thrown into his face with great force. The DJZ then commissioned the German Testing and Research Institute for Hunting and Sporting Weapons (DEVA) to investigate the bolt durability of the R 93.

When DEVA began investigating the accident on the basis of an exclusive DJZ contract, they first discovered that the R 93 has two bolt housings made of different materials . The bolt housings were made of plastic and, to a much greater extent, of an aluminum alloy. As is well known, the R 93 has a radial collar bolt, a bolt that is positively controlled and locks centrally in the receiver with 14 locking elements . On the weapon involved in the accident, two locking elements had broken away in the area of the extractor. The weapon had a plastic bolt housing. Some may ask at this point why we are not naming the DJZ reader who experienced this accident. At his own request, the editorial staff assured him of the usual protection for informants in the press. So much for the background. The DEVA experiments and the results







The DEVA tests were designed to simulate various conditions (such as primer blow-through, case base crack, excessive gas pressure) to determine whether a design defect in the weapon could lead to accidents.
Two Blaser R 93 Offroad rifles in .300 Win. Mag. caliber were purchased for the tests, one with a plastic receiver and one with an aluminum receiver.

For safety reasons, the tests were conducted outdoors on the DEVA shooting range. The rifle was secured in a wooden container to catch any splinters and weapon parts. The shots were fired from a distance using a rope to prevent any danger to the test subject.

The first series of tests was conducted with the R 93 with a plastic receiver. The maximum permissible operating gas pressure for the .300 Win. Mag. is 4300 bar.

Based on the accident weapon in DEVA's possession, it was assumed that case base ruptures or primer blowouts could, in certain situations, lead to the R 93 bolt being unlocked. Various tests were conducted

to determine this.

1st test : To simulate primer blow-through, the thickness of the primer base was reduced from 0.4 to 0.1 millimeters. In practice, this regularly leads to blow-throughs. Three appropriately prepared cartridges were fired from the R 93. As a result of the gas flowing through the firing pin bore into the bolt area, the firing pin became dirty and stiff or blocked. The firing pin recoil spring was damaged and had to be replaced. No damage was visible on the locking elements.

2nd test : Next, the material strength of the cartridges in the case base area was reduced by annealing. Two cartridges with annealed base areas were fired. This led to severe deformation of the case base area. The bolt of the R 93 could only be opened by hammer blows on the bolt handle. The case had to be removed through the barrel using a rod. No significant damage to the weapon was detectable.

3rd test : In the third test, case base ruptures were simulated. The approximately one millimeter thick case material was provided with a 0.7 mm deep recess approximately three millimeters above the solid base. In addition, the case base area was annealed. In this way, case base ruptures were simulated using two appropriately prepared cartridges. In this test, the case bases partially ruptured, and in one case completely ruptured, but they still sealed. The bolt could only be opened under difficult conditions, as described above.

4th test : In the fourth test, a case base rupture was simulated with the additional simulation of gas flow from the case in the area of the extractor. In addition to the measures described in the previous test, an axial, almost through-hole was drilled into the base. The hole, measuring 1.8 mm in diameter, was placed below the extractor with the rifle loaded.

In this way, gas was actually released from the cartridge case in the area of the extractor.

The milling of the locking chamber for the extractor allows gas flow to individual locking elements of the bolt.
In this test setup, the plastic receiver of the R 93 was blown open. The gas escaping caused the extractor to break, and two of the 14 locking elements of the radial collar sleeve to escape from the locked position behind the extractor and break off. Some of the locking components, such as the bolt chamber and firing pin, were thrown rearward with great force, partially penetrating the wooden receiver and striking a wooden wall three meters behind the weapon with great force. The plastic receiver was blown open while still in the weapon. The locking mechanism was broken due to the two missing expansion elements.

The test setup described above was repeated with the R 93 with an aluminum receiver. No serious problems occurred. The bolt, although somewhat difficult to open by hand after firing, was opened by hand. Unlike the plastic version, it withstood the stresses. In subsequent tests, the cartridge pressure was continuously increased. Even at a pressure of almost 8,000 bar, the R 93 proved unfazed. Only when an overpressure cartridge was further weakened by annealing at almost 8,000 bar in the case base area did the barrel explode in the chamber area. The bolt did not protrude rearward toward the shooter. The explosion of a rifle due to such an increase in pressure, which is significantly higher than that of cartridges used in official proof tests, cannot be attributed to the weapon's fault.

As already explained above, DEVA has an R 93 from an accident. This weapon caused a serious facial injury to the shooter when the bolt opened automatically. It has a plastic bolt housing, like the weapon from the first series of tests. It also exploded into many small pieces. Two locking elements behind the extractor recess were pushed rearward and broken off. The remaining bolt parts were shot rearward with high energy, as the shooter's injuries demonstrate. The appearance and damage of the parts presented from the accident rifle exactly confirm the events simulated in the test.

What should be done?

The fact that R 93 rifles with plastic receivers pose an increased accident risk forced the DJZ and DEVA to act immediately. The DEVA report was available to the DJZ editorial team at the end of September. At the beginning of October, we requested a meeting with Blaser and DEVA, which took place on October 16. The accident and DEVA's tests were discussed in detail. Blaser was immediately willing to cooperate. The representatives of DEVA and DJZ wanted to know in particular when and to what extent plastic receivers had been manufactured and delivered.

We were informed that the plastic receivers had been developed alongside the development of the plastic stock for the R 93 Offroad. According to Blaser, however, only 0.4 percent of all R 93 repeating rifles were delivered with a plastic receiver .
Due to the increased risk of accidents, which only applies to plastic receivers, Blaser has decided to recall all Blaser R 93 bolt-action rifles with plastic receivers (plastic receivers) and replace them with aluminum receivers (aluminum receivers).

To reiterate, the possibility of automatic release of the bolt by a case ripper in the extractor area, described in the article and reconstructed by DEVA, only exists with R 93 receivers with plastic receivers. Receivers with aluminum receivers are safe, as proven by DEVA's intensive tests.

Therefore, if you own an R 93, check whether your rifle has a plastic or aluminum receiver (see photo on the left with the arrow). If the receiver is aluminum, no action is required, and you can continue to use the rifle without concern. If you own a rifle with a plastic receiver, contact the gunsmith from whom you purchased the rifle. He will arrange the exchange for you free of charge.
 
So Blaser used plastic material, within the many moving parts and pieces of their product which, they expected to withstand repeated use at 65,000 PSI, a few inches directly in front of people’s faces ?

Hmmm, what could go wrong ?
 

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