Rifle for daughters first trip?

Discussion in 'Up To .375' started by Ryanlo, Mar 30, 2017.

  1. Art Lambart II

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    The 6.5 CR is a fine cartridge but not very common outside of the US, if you get her a 6.5x55, 270 or a 7x57 she will be able to find ammo any where in the world in a rifle she can use for a life time.
     

  2. Ryanlo

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    Not a hand loaded yet. Need to be but always just get factory stuff. On our hunt to NZ we used some custom ammo. 140 Accubonds. Works awesome on everything.
     

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    Agree!

    Savage Lady Hunter is available in .270, .30-06, 6.5 Creedmore, .308, or 7mm-08 (all calibers mentioned by many previously in this thread)..

    Or

    Weatherby Camilla.. available in 6.5 Creedmore, 7mm-08 or .308...

    Both have stocks designed specifically for ladies.. are reasonably priced.. are accurate out of the box.. and come in several caliber choices suitable for PG..
     

  4. rookhawk

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    That's the one, savage lady hunter 7-08.

    You can't even cover the most basic of blanks for a custom stock for the price of that entire rifle! A helluva bargain. Thanks for providing the correct brand name.
     
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    Well ladies stock notwithstanding, a Tikka in .308Win loaded with Swifts 150gr A-Frame I think would be the trick on any PG other than Eland. On Eland, it would probably get the job done, but getting close and making good shot selection would be important.

    I'll defer to others regarding the stock.
     
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    I will add to the collective wisdom here. The 6.5CM is a fine cartridge and kills better than most think it will partially because of the excellent SD of the bullets. For Medium sized plains game it may be a bit light and specifically illegal in some areas. I would echo the 7mm o8 as one of the best choices out there. I have only fired one rifle in that caliber and the lack of recoil was remarkable. There is a huge selection of bullets out there for the reloader as well as already loaded ammo.
    A .308 would be the next step up and a great choice also. Both would serve her well and not be an issue to shoot. They can be downloaded some for practice if need be. Best of luck. Bruce
     
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    6.5 & 7x57 will work. How about a 7x64?
     

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    Ryanlo, there is a lot of great information post above from some very sage hunters , after reading thru it all I had some questions ( not trying to pry) Will your daughter continue to hunt after this trip with you? My Son hunts with me occasionally and there is nothing like a family hunt. But its not his thing, not his love like it is mine. (No harm, no foul his call). But why I mentioned it is you could tailor a rifle to this hunt for your daughter and be done. But if she continues to hunt into adulthood the rifle choices and calibers might change? Maybe a caliber with more flexibility? Will this be here first /only rifle? Will she become a huntress and own many? There are lots of moving pieces to this question here and it’s obvious you have already given it some thought. I think if you can answer some of those questions the answer might become a little clearer. (Not trying to muddy the waters BTW) Just chewing the fat thinking about what I would do in your shoes :)


    cheers

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    She really enjoys hunting. I think she will keep hunting on into life. She just got a nice fallow in NZ on our big family trip down there. She already has 2-3 firearms and is only 12. One she bought herself. I keep going around and around on what to get. She will have a birthday while we are down there. Keep thinking of buying a rifle and getting her shootings it good. Say it's mine then give it to her on the trip. Wish there was away to sneak one down with out her knowing. But want her shooting it well before we get there. Right when I think I have it figured out. Something else comes up

    Thanks for all the input guys. Keep it coming
     

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    Since many of the guys that have replied seem to have an aversion to magnum calibers I will down grade my suggestion to a 30-06. Now that is a caliber that she can use for life, can get ammo any where of any sorts multiple bullet types weights etc about an all arounder caliber as you can find and not a hard kicking gun. I personally would stay away from all of the un common"metric calibers" as you are in USA and dont reload you can get 30-06 ammo cheap for practice. and keep her shooting the 6.5 to perfect trigger control, follow through and her technique from diff positions. shoot some tanerite kids love shooting that stuff(y).
     
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    I have only shot my brother's 7-08, a light synthetic Savage. I was a little surprised because the report was very loud and I thought it recoiled just a tad more than my Browning lever 308 which weighs pretty much the same.
     

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    Get her a .308 or 7-08, my wife is a ex college volleyball player and good bit taller than some guys on this forum and my 300 is not pleasant for her to shoot. She will be far more proficient with a lower recoiling rifle. Also a .300 has a extremely sharp recoil as opposed to the long push of a 375 or 404.
     

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    What he DID do was maintain his 2-S deferment attending Kansas, enlist in the ROTC so that by the time he actually became a real Marine, the war was over.
     

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    I have three daughters, and walked each one through this exact scenario. I handload - so like a lot of guys mentioned, we started with reduced loads and then worked our way up. We used a 7mm-08 with a ladies compact stock, so they all used it and they didn't know any thing different. Two of them (the daughters are above average for height, and the third is a compact model). We shot a ton of game with the 7-08, it's a fine cartridge, but in my opinion not near enough gun for Gemsbok, Hartebeest, Kudu etc. When it came time to go to Africa we started to work up a few notches - 7mm Weatherby - 30-06 - 300 Win all in full size rifles. All three instantly said they preferred the full size rifles, liked the feel and fit, the added weight helped them hold steadier on the sticks, and the heavier guns with longer barrels and more weight seemed to tame the recoil, more than the short barreled compacts. They all gave me snuff for not experimenting and letting them try different guns earlier in their hunting careers.

    So I guess what I'm saying is - pretty hard for you or us to make a decision for her. Let her try a few rifles, combinations of Calibers and stocks ( may have to beg and borrow a few guns, to get a decent cross section) and she can tell you what she likes and what feels good to her. That might narrow it down - if she likes something a bit bigger and heavier ( like a 30-06 0r 30 cal mag), she's set for life and there will be no hard decisions or upgrading ever needed. If she prefers something a little milder, lots of options there too.
     

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    Another thing to think about - most young female hunters don't have a very high tolerance level for wounded animals, half dead critters, forced follow ups and the blood and gore that goes with these situations. Like I said in the last post - I mentored three girls from very young to adult hunters - they all had different levels of tolerance, when it came to the killing and how the animals reacted. Two of them had a very good understanding of how nature works, death and killing isn't always pretty - the third couldn't stand to see animals suffer, she wanted to see everything drop on the spot.

    My wife, Debbie drew a very coveted Mule Deer tag for a zone that had a super opportunity for a top notch trophy buck. She shoots a 7mm-08, and she shoots it well. To make a long story shorter, we got in on a dandy buck - a legitimate 30 incher, big mature buck, well over 300 lbs. The rut was in full swing, we watched this buck run of another big buck, then he was back snortin' around after a hot doe. He was pretty revved up and full of adrenaline. We worked in to about 175, set up and when he came broadside, she punched him perfect, you couldn't have shot him any better. He hunched, moved off, obviously hit, and ended up in a depression with thick brush - all we could see was his head, horns and a bit of his backline. He staggered around for a bit, propped himself up, head up and down, swinging sideways. Couldn't get a follow up in to him where he was, and moving would have meant giving up elevation, and being able to cover the entire area and loosing sight of him so decided to wait him out. It took a long while, but finally he went down, but still struggling, flailing about and head swinging around (all we could see now were antlers) It took incredibly long - but finally he gave up the ghost - needless to say my wife didn't enjoy it a bit and it was a long time before she considered hunting again. Debbie did everything as well as she could have - she just didn't have enough gun to kill that deer the way she wanted to, that short barrelled 7mm-08 just didn't have the energy to take care of situation at hand.

    My youngest daughter shot a big mature kudu, she shot it well with a 30-06, mind you it was a frontal quartering shot, but it leaped and kicked, obviously lung shot. It went into a ravine, and I couldn't believe it when it came running out on the far slope. Kelsey led him a hair too much, but took off another front corner, slowed him down and then two more good solid hits before he expired. It was a bit of a rodeo, but when it was done, Kelsey turned and smiled at me and said - "I can't believe how tough those animals are"

    If my middle daughter, Heather had been the hunter in either of those situations - she would have been bawling and crying and I guarantee that it would have been the end of her hunting career - like forever ... Basically what I'm trying to say, is use or take as much gun as she can handle and shoot well . If your daughter happens to be a bit on the softer side (like Heather) do what ever it takes to shield her from those kind of situations. In my opinion that means leaving all the 6.5's and 7mm-08's at home when you go to Africa - they just don't cut it on those tougher African critters - hopefully she is comfortable shooting something a notch more powerful.

    Good luck, enjoy and let us know what you decide to do in the end - really like hearing how things like this turn out
     
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    Nosler guy: You make some excellent points. BTW, congrats on raising three daughters that enjoy shooting and hunting.

    Dave
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    Ray B: I think your comment is a bit unfair to Col. Boddington. As a 18 year kid around 1971, Boddington was awarded a Navy ROTC scholarship and used it to go college. This was during the Vietnam War and ROTC wasn't exactly popular on a lot of college campuses. I'd also like to point out that during this time, each military academy (West Point, Annapolis & AF Academy) each had roughly 4,000 enrolled. Were these too avoiding the war or were they preparing for officer leadership positions and willingly ready to go into harms way? Upon graduation from college, Boddington opted to go into the Marines instead of the Navy. Nobody can say he took the easy route there. Boddington served on active duty and then the reserves. According to his bio, he served in both Gulf War 1 and 2.

    The fact that Boddington has honorably serve his country, including service in war zones, is reason enough for me to respect him. The fact that he has also figured out how to make a nice living while hunting all over the world makes me envious of him. JMHO.
     
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    If the 7mm-08 caliber were selected, what bullet would you choose for the African plains game, including Kudu? Nosler 140 Accubond, Barnes 145 gr LRX,
    Hornady 139 gr GMX, Hornady Precision Hunter 150 gr ELD-X, Norma 156 gr Oryx?
     

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