Politics

[RLD]

You can't have it both ways, Trump is NOT getting any money for the damages he obviously incurred but is getting an agreement that they won't pursue him again for past taxes. So basically they can't pursue him illegally AGAIN!

Seems a reasonable settlement that doesn't cost us tax payers a big bill. But if our government did go after others (Church goers etc.) illegally, those citizens should receive recompense for those damages as well. It seems like this settlement allows that to happen (with judicial involvement I assume).

Is there NOTHING that goes on with Trump that the left doesn't hate and has to claim is biased/unfair/illegal and never done before?

TDS abounds.

AJ

There are some logical and factual flaws in your post I am afraid.

Firstly, there is no plan for judicial involvement. There will be a board of 5 political appointees dolling out the billions.

The settlement is not a good deal. There was no reasonable possibility Trump would have gotten even 10% of the amount of the fund if he won every issue in court. No rational self-interested defendant would have paid that settlement amount.

The fund process removes the court from the process. The process now allows anyone to sue for damages and go through the court process. This is a big pot of money that will be dolled out without judicial oversight.

And it allows Trump, his family members and his corporations to skate on potential liabilities. Hypothetically, let's say a Trump company failed to pay 10 million in taxes they should have paid in the past. That is now a clean slate. The tax payer gets rippled for 10 million, the president or his associate gets a $10 million windfall. Do you get that opportunity if you missed paying some of your taxes? Why should Trump and his family be, literally, above the law?

And when you be saying the same thing when some future Dem administration hands Comey a $50,000,000 check for the failed prosecutions against him?

It certainly is not TDS (which is a pretty flacid argument anyways). Have you read about how many Republicans have responded to this idea? It is not going well for the President.

 

[RLD]

LOL....sure thing Bart. Angela Merkel is the mother of German decline. She created deep economic ties with Russia, and was one of those that lobbied hard for the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, as well as blocking the Ukraine and Georgia from entering the NATO alliance. She's a Putin Puppet.
Not to mention her immigration/Refugee failures which ignited the rotting from within the country.
Merkel is the globalist cabal, and new world order type of politician.

If you idolize her, that tells me all I need to know about your ideology.
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Ah the "cabal" and the New World Order...I thought that was only in wrestling.

 

[Newboomer]

He won’t, because he has no desire to learn.. it doesn’t conform to his bias or agenda..

Even if read it would not be understood (miniscule cranial acuity).

 

[AJ Peacock]

There are some logical and factual flaws in your post I am afraid.

Firstly, there is no plan for judicial involvement. There will be a board of 5 political appointees dolling out the billions.

The settlement is not a good deal. There was no reasonable possibility Trump would have gotten even 10% of the amount of the fund if he won every issue in court. No rational self-interested defendant would have paid that settlement amount.

The fund process removes the court from the process. The process now allows anyone to sue for damages and go through the court process. This is a big pot of money that will be dolled out without judicial oversight.

And it allows Trump, his family members and his corporations to skate on potential liabilities. Hypothetically, let's say a Trump company failed to pay 10 million in taxes they should have paid in the past. That is now a clean slate. The tax payer gets rippled for 10 million, the president or his associate gets a $10 million windfall. Do you get that opportunity if you missed paying some of your taxes? Why should Trump and his family be, literally, above the law?

And when you be saying the same thing when some future Dem administration hands Comey a $50,000,000 check for the failed prosecutions against him?

It certainly is not TDS (which is a pretty flacid argument anyways). Have you read about how many Republicans have responded to this idea? It is not going well for the President.

Hypothetically, lets say that Trump has paid all his taxes. This keeps them from ILLEGALLY going after him again with information gained from an ILLEGAL release of his personal information.

Hypothetically, if they hadn't ILLEGALLY released his tax information, none of this would have happened.

AJ

 

[steve white]

The IRS is part of the executive branch.

The courts hearing the case are part of the judicial branch.

Trump was suing the IRS that was managed and weaponized by the past administration that took action against him during the past administration (2022).

The IRS agent (contractor) that leaked the information admitted he committed a criminal act and stole 15 years of trumps tax records and then turned them over to the media. He was convicted and sent to prison in 2023.

The civil suit against the IRS was for failure to properly protect those records, and was an obvious slam dunk. There’s already someone in prison for the action.

Trump controlling the IRS in 2026 is inconsequential. The crime and the cause of civil action happened prior to Trump taking office and the conviction for the crime happened during the Biden administration.

What matters is the Judicial branch (not controlled by Trump) was hearing the case, and all of the evidence was clear… Trump was absolutely going to win… so, a settlement was offered… which is a standard practice in the US court system.. the courts even go so far as to encourage settlements rather than push things to trial when the outcome of cases is obvious… they don’t want to bog the courts down with case proceedings if they can avoid it…

The IRS was smart to take the settlement, and Trump was gracious to take it… neither has to.. either party can insist on a trial..

Had this gone to trial the IRS would have lost, and lost huge… and it is very possible senior administrators in the IRS would have been brought up on criminal charges next after the evidence in the civil trial became public record…

I can assure you that both the senior GS and SES employees of the IRS (who are career bureaucrats and have worked there long before Trump ever became president) and the accountants that manage the IRS budget, regardless of which party they are aligned with are incredibly thankful right now… any other outcome would have been much worse for them…

But I suppose leftists would prefer that government not be held accountable for wrongful acts against citizens… as long as those citizens are conservatives… and especially if it’s Trump..

Then would it not have been better for Trump and the country to have taken them to court and sent miscreants to prison?

 

[RLD]

Hypothetically, lets say that Trump has paid all his taxes. This keeps them from ILLEGALLY going after him again with information gained from an ILLEGAL release of his personal information.

Hypothetically, if they hadn't ILLEGALLY released his tax information, none of this would have happened.

AJ

Well the IRS doesn't need an illegal release of his information to go after Trump because they are entitled to that information. The release was illegal because confidential information was given to the media. There is no fruit of the poisoned tree argument here.

Your logic seems a little Trump centered. Let's say a drug dealer got off on a set of charges because of a breech of his confidentiality or a faulty search warrant. If LE had evidence of him doing other crimes would you let a settlement of his confidentiality case prevent his prosecution for those other crimes pass? Is that a result you would support? Anyone who got boned by the government (or in this case one government employee) is suddenly washed for all past sins? Is that how you think your justice system should work?

 

[RLD]

Then would it not have been better for Trump and the country to have taken them to court and sent miscreants to prison?

I think the miscreant in question got sentenced to five years on the criminal side of the piece.

 

[AJ Peacock]

Well the IRS doesn't need an illegal release of his information to go after Trump because they are entitled to that information. The release was illegal because confidential information was given to the media. There is no fruit of the poisoned tree argument here.

Your logic seems a little Trump centered. Let's say a drug dealer got off on a set of charges because of a breech of his confidentiality or a faulty search warrant. If LE had evidence of him doing other crimes would you let a settlement of his confidentiality case prevent his prosecution for those other crimes pass? Is that a result you would support? Anyone who got boned by the government (or in this case one government employee) is suddenly washed for all past sins? Is that how you think your justice system should work?

I don't see it as 'washing away past sins' I see it as being able to expect fair treatment. With the release of this information, there are 100's or 1000's of miscreants that would try to fabricate additional information to bear false witness and cost Trump and others vast $$ to defend themselves.

What other 'crimes' are you worried he isn't being prosecuted for? Do you think that not enough people have poured over these documents and every scrap of public information and tried to bankrupt him and his family? Do you think he and those associated with him have simply skated because nobody of means/power thought about stopping him?

Seriously, this was brought about by our Government (IRS) and they lost. Maybe if we'd have Trump drawn and quartered, you'd be happy that he'd be punished for all his hypothetical crimes!

AJ

 

[Big_Easy]

Ah the "cabal" and the New World Order...I thought that was only in wrestling.

This comment thread does have a WWF feel to it...does it not?

 

[Big_Easy]

The DOJ Just Admitted to Weaponizing a Prosecution Against Trump’s Foes

A federal court threw out all charges against the Broadview Six—a group of protesters accused of obstructing a Chicago ICE facility.

slate.com

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

The single best thing that could happen to Trump, the R's, and the American people as a whole would be for Trump to lose his phone and forget his login information to Truth Social for the next 2.5 years..

I think a lot of us would like that but the reality is that he’s always been an unconventional candidate and his style of shooting from the hip on social media has seemingly served him well. In spite of voting for him three times, I never thought he would win a first term, let alone come back after a defeat. He defies expectations at nearly every turn.

I think that’s always been the Trump paradox. The things that would have killed a normal candidate’s chances are his strength politically, much to the chagrin/confusion of both conventional conservatives and the left.

 

[Red Leg]

Meanwhile back at the front - or perhaps behind the front - an element of forbidden angst seems to be creeping into the weekly propaganda "news" discussions over on Russian TV. Even the bearded fellow who is trying to spin the usual strategic inevitability of Russian victory is struggling, while the host is practically ridiculing him. Normally usually most of the time, nothing is aired on these programs without the approval of the Kremlin. I doubt Putin would have totally approved of the course of this discussion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1tlcvpd/the_mood_among_even_the_kremlins_most_mainstream

 

[Brent in Az]

Iranian assassin was going to target Ivanka Trump

 

[spike.t]

Another brain box in government....