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Logistic transportation arteries, for all those mobile military things and their logistics, have been a very high priority target in any air campaign ever waged. Power plants that support military command and control and military production are and have been equally legitimate targets. To be consistent, I assume you and your militarily astute ilk have been equally critical of Ukrainian attacks on Russian petroleum infrastructure?

The first “big” job I had in Iraq, just post the invasion, was supervising mobile and static security teams that were protecting a team of engineers… who were tasked with rebuilding the power station near Al Musayyib that the USAF had turned into rubble in late 2003…

Funny how suddenly when Trump wants to take out infrastructure it’s a war crime, a travesty, and going to turn the region against us…

But in 2003, taking out every power station, every bridge, and every major interstate was just “war”…

The emotional override and hypocrisy of the left knows no boundaries..

When you have nothing legitimate to cry about.. you just cry about illegitimate bullshit… and when that’s not enough you just go full hypocrite and cry about the shit you never had a problem with before..

I actually find it funny… I rather enjoy laughing at the idiocy…

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Just found the text below on Facebook, what say the US military experts on the forum, might the rescue mission have been the aftermath of a failed special forces operation to recover the weapons grade uranium?

The source is this, I have no clue as to who he is but the text does sounds plausible at least in most parts: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18vjqPmvZs/

The text in question is below:

Now that the dust has settled, it's fairly clear that the weekend events by the Americans were a Joint Special Operations Command attempt to establish a FOB (Forward Operating Base) in Isfahan, rather than a simple rescue attempt. The question remains whether the F-15E was part of that operation, or whether the downing of the jet triggered it.

It's most likely that the F-15E was the “first wave” of the operation. Why? Well, Trump isn’t particularly careful with his messaging. In one of his post-rescue posts, he said the rescued WSO (Weapons Systems Officer) was a “respected Colonel.”

That immediately raises a red flag. It’s not common for a colonel (O-6) to serve as a WSO in an F-15E Strike Eagle. WSOs are typically mid-career officers—captains (O-3) or majors (O-4)—paired with pilots of similar rank. However, a colonel could serve as a WSO if designated as the mission commander (MC) for a larger, multi-aircraft operation. U.S. Air Force doctrine allows a senior officer like a colonel to occupy the WSO seat as MC, overseeing all mission phases regardless of the pilot’s junior rank (e.g., captain). That, paired with what we know happened later, points to a broader mission.

The other element is the scale of the operation. The U.S. military didn’t just “find an abandoned airstrip south of Isfahan.” The airstrip where we believe the U.S. attempted to establish the FOB was likely surveyed months in advance. U.S. Special Forces don’t just “wing it” on operations like this. The narrative being presented—such as the claim that the MC-130J “got stuck”—suggests something that Special Operations planners simply don’t do.

The MC-130J Commando II aircraft that transported the troops—and likely the “Little Bird” helicopters—sustained damage from Iranian attacks, which prevented them from taking off. The shrapnel damage seen in images supports that. We don’t believe they crash-landed or were shot down. The only evidence cited for that is the bent rotor blades on one of the engines in aftermath photos. But the MC-130J is not a standard C-130, which uses four-blade steel propellers. The Special Forces variant uses six-bladed Dowty R391 composite propellers, built with a carbon-fiber structure rather than metal. The bent propellers are most likely the result of the resin matrix softening—effectively “melting”—under extreme conditions. Other images support this, as the propellers appear to shred and snap rather than cleanly break.

Why Isfahan? The obvious explanation is the collection of nuclear material, as the region hosts multiple facilities such as Natanz, where enriched uranium is believed to be stored. But there are other factors. Isfahan hosts a large Jewish community, which would likely be influenced by Mossad and CIA operations. The airstrip was not chosen at the last minute to rescue a WSO, with massive assets assembled on the fly. It’s rumored the airstrip had previously been surveyed by Israeli Shaldag (Unit 5101), an elite Israeli Air Force special operations unit.

As for staging: at roughly the same time, Iran struck Camp Buehring in Kuwait, which is believed to have been the staging ground for the operation. This suggests Iran had prior knowledge—and reinforces the idea that the base was tied to the American operation.

There are several other inconsistencies in the U.S. narrative: how a badly injured WSO managed to climb a mountain, why the extraction point was established in Isfahan when evacuation to Kuwait or Iraq was possible, and so on.

So the CSAR mission prematurely triggered a larger Special Operations effort to retrieve uranium stockpiles, or whether this was all part of a single planned operation, it failed. The Iranians have now learned a great deal about how the U.S. plans to infiltrate—and the U.S. has likely lost access to an airstrip it intended to use for a high-profile raid.

The U.S. narrative, of course, is one of “leave no man behind” - and reads like the outline of a Hollywood blockbuster.
 
Just found the text below on Facebook, what say the US military experts on the forum, might the rescue mission have been the aftermath of a failed special forces operation to recover the weapons grade uranium?

The source is this, I have no clue as to who he is but the text does sounds plausible at least in most parts: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18vjqPmvZs/

The text in question is below:

Now that the dust has settled, it's fairly clear that the weekend events by the Americans were a Joint Special Operations Command attempt to establish a FOB (Forward Operating Base) in Isfahan, rather than a simple rescue attempt. The question remains whether the F-15E was part of that operation, or whether the downing of the jet triggered it.

It's most likely that the F-15E was the “first wave” of the operation. Why? Well, Trump isn’t particularly careful with his messaging. In one of his post-rescue posts, he said the rescued WSO (Weapons Systems Officer) was a “respected Colonel.”

That immediately raises a red flag. It’s not common for a colonel (O-6) to serve as a WSO in an F-15E Strike Eagle. WSOs are typically mid-career officers—captains (O-3) or majors (O-4)—paired with pilots of similar rank. However, a colonel could serve as a WSO if designated as the mission commander (MC) for a larger, multi-aircraft operation. U.S. Air Force doctrine allows a senior officer like a colonel to occupy the WSO seat as MC, overseeing all mission phases regardless of the pilot’s junior rank (e.g., captain). That, paired with what we know happened later, points to a broader mission.

The other element is the scale of the operation. The U.S. military didn’t just “find an abandoned airstrip south of Isfahan.” The airstrip where we believe the U.S. attempted to establish the FOB was likely surveyed months in advance. U.S. Special Forces don’t just “wing it” on operations like this. The narrative being presented—such as the claim that the MC-130J “got stuck”—suggests something that Special Operations planners simply don’t do.

The MC-130J Commando II aircraft that transported the troops—and likely the “Little Bird” helicopters—sustained damage from Iranian attacks, which prevented them from taking off. The shrapnel damage seen in images supports that. We don’t believe they crash-landed or were shot down. The only evidence cited for that is the bent rotor blades on one of the engines in aftermath photos. But the MC-130J is not a standard C-130, which uses four-blade steel propellers. The Special Forces variant uses six-bladed Dowty R391 composite propellers, built with a carbon-fiber structure rather than metal. The bent propellers are most likely the result of the resin matrix softening—effectively “melting”—under extreme conditions. Other images support this, as the propellers appear to shred and snap rather than cleanly break.

Why Isfahan? The obvious explanation is the collection of nuclear material, as the region hosts multiple facilities such as Natanz, where enriched uranium is believed to be stored. But there are other factors. Isfahan hosts a large Jewish community, which would likely be influenced by Mossad and CIA operations. The airstrip was not chosen at the last minute to rescue a WSO, with massive assets assembled on the fly. It’s rumored the airstrip had previously been surveyed by Israeli Shaldag (Unit 5101), an elite Israeli Air Force special operations unit.

As for staging: at roughly the same time, Iran struck Camp Buehring in Kuwait, which is believed to have been the staging ground for the operation. This suggests Iran had prior knowledge—and reinforces the idea that the base was tied to the American operation.

There are several other inconsistencies in the U.S. narrative: how a badly injured WSO managed to climb a mountain, why the extraction point was established in Isfahan when evacuation to Kuwait or Iraq was possible, and so on.

So the CSAR mission prematurely triggered a larger Special Operations effort to retrieve uranium stockpiles, or whether this was all part of a single planned operation, it failed. The Iranians have now learned a great deal about how the U.S. plans to infiltrate—and the U.S. has likely lost access to an airstrip it intended to use for a high-profile raid.

The U.S. narrative, of course, is one of “leave no man behind” - and reads like the outline of a Hollywood blockbuster.
Well, there's a lot to unpack here... and there's a lot that could be "conspiracy theory" stuff... And of course "experts" are paid to come up with "interesting" things. And of course you need to wrap "plausibility" into it in order to make the rest of it sound good. But consider the obvious:

First, there is talk about the C130J being a "SOF variant" because of its six propeller blades. But it's not like SOF are the only people using a C130J. It's just the most modern variant. Heck, even the Blue Angels are using a Juliet:
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As far as the "Colonel WSO", two things to consider:

First is the problem where too many people refer to Lieutenant Colonels as "Colonel". Not saying that's happened in this case, but it's a possibility. If that happened, it's not unreasonable that the Squadron Commander is a WSO, and not unreasonable that the CO was on the mission.

But even if that's not true, and we are talking about an O6 Colonel, it's not unreasonable that an O6 level command has a WSO in charge, and again, it's not unreasonable that the commander was leading a mission. I knew a bunch of Colonels who were Marine Naval Flight Officers (NFOs) (WSOs in the F/A-18) and Marine Air Group Commanders (MAGs), Yes, O6s still fly, whether in the front seat or back seat. And Mission Commanders also fly in both spots. In fact, sometimes it's better to have the rear seater be the Mission Commander, as he can focus on what everyone needs to be doing and not be task saturated with the mechanics of flying the airframe. It's also irrelevant to the rank of the pilot. You certainly wouldn't put the CO and XO in the same airframe, would you?

Sorry: Acronyms again: Commanding Officer (number one guy) and Executive Officer (number two guy).

Oh, and I just thought of a third thing? I'm not 100% sure how the Air Force does it these days, but I can tell you in the Navy and the Marine Corps, the pilot (guy up front) is a Naval Aviator, and the guy in back is a Naval Flight Officer. Think Maverick and Goose. Their wings are different. In the F-4 and F-14, the NFO was called a "RIO", or Radar Intercept Officer. In the F-18, the job is a little different, and they are called Weapons System Officers (WSOs). It's a job title, not a rank. There can be Generals and Admirals who are rated as WSOs.

So those two points are not unusual, though I don't know exactly how they relate to this specific case. But hey, if you're an "expert" posting on Facebook, why not make the usual seem exceptional? Isn't that the secret to telling a good story?
 
Logistic transportation arteries, for all those mobile military things and their logistics, have been a very high priority target in any air campaign ever waged. Power plants that support military command and control and military production are and have been equally legitimate targets. To be consistent, I assume you and your militarily astute ilk have been equally critical of Ukrainian attacks on Russian petroleum infrastructure?

There are two very prominent cases on this very topic at International Criminal Court as we speak.

The citations inserted below are taken from this article, which also gives a brief introduction to the relevant parts of the 1949 Geneva Convention and its distinction between "civilian objects and military objectives".
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...n-installations-amount-war-crimes-2026-03-31/

COULD THESE BE 'MILITARY TARGETS'?

The Geneva Conventions and additional protocols say that parties involved in military conflict must distinguish between "civilian objects and military objectives", and that attacks on civilian objects are forbidden.

This prohibition is also codified in the Rome Statute of the ICC, which is a court of last resort for 125 countries, ⁠but which does not include major powers such as Russia, the United States and China.

The Geneva Conventions say some infrastructure owned and used by civilians can count as a military objective, but only "objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action", and whose destruction or capture "offers a definite military ⁠advantage".



Russia
The International Criminal Court cited attacks on critical infrastructure, such as electricity and fuel plants in Ukraine, ⁠in arrest warrants it issued for political and military leaders in Russia.

In July 2024, the ICC accused Sergei Shoigu, the former Russian defence minister, and leading Russian general Valery Gerasimov, of war crimes for targeting Ukraine's power grid in the middle of winter.

Russia has denied allegations of war crimes and says it launched a special military operation in Ukraine in February 2022 in self defense.

Israel
In the ICC's arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, judges "considered that there are reasonable grounds to believe that both individuals intentionally and knowingly deprived the civilian population in Gaza of objects indispensable to their survival, including food, water, and medicine and medical supplies, as well as fuel and electricity."

The cutting off of electricity and reducing fuel supply "had a severe impact on the availability of water in Gaza and the ability of hospitals to provide medical care," the judges found. The conditions "resulted in the death of ‌civilians, ⁠including children, due to malnutrition and dehydration," they said.

Israel also denies war crimes allegations and says it has targeted militants in Gaza and Lebanon in self defense against an existential threat.
 
The first “big” job I had in Iraq, just post the invasion, was supervising mobile and static security teams that were protecting a team of engineers… who were tasked with rebuilding the power station near Al Musayyib that the USAF had turned into rubble in late 2003…

Funny how suddenly when Trump wants to take out infrastructure it’s a war crime, a travesty, and going to turn the region against us…

But in 2003, taking out every power station, every bridge, and every major interstate was just “war”…

The emotional override and hypocrisy of the left knows no boundaries..

When you have nothing legitimate to cry about.. you just cry about illegitimate bullshit… and when that’s not enough you just go full hypocrite and cry about the shit you never had a problem with before..

I actually find it funny… I rather enjoy laughing at the idiocy…

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In fairness I know many whi thought it was a war crime in 2003, and even more whi view Bush, Rumsfeld, et.al as war criminals retrospectively.

Not my opinion just commenting that that line of thinking isn’t new by any means.
 
In fairness I know many whi thought it was a war crime in 2003, and even more whi view Bush, Rumsfeld, et.al as war criminals retrospectively.

Not my opinion just commenting that that line of thinking isn’t new by any means.

That’s the issue… people think they can make shit up as long as it supports their agenda..

They “think” they’re war crimes.. but they are not.. reading both US and international law would clarify that for them… but… like many of the liberals here that cry about unsubstantiated BS, reading would counter their agenda… so they don’t do it..

Let’s speak specifically about power stations… they can potentially be prosecuted as a “war crimes” target if they are exclusively for civilian use..

However… if it can be demonstrated that power generated from the station has been or is being used by the military or other combatant forces for anything… powering a command center… running a munitions factory.. etc.. to any reasonable degree.. it’s fair game…

There’s also a clause that says it qualifies as a target if it offers the military an advantage of any sort..

It is not difficult to qualify any bridge, major interstate system, power station, civilian factory that manufactures ANYTHING that supports the military (they can literally just make copper wire and be a target if combatant forces use that wire ), etc..
 
There are two very prominent cases on this very topic at International Criminal Court as we speak.

The citations inserted below are taken from this article, which also gives a brief introduction to the relevant parts of the 1949 Geneva Convention and its distinction between "civilian objects and military objectives".
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...n-installations-amount-war-crimes-2026-03-31/





Russia


Israel
I suggest a better study with regard to the American perception of the prosecution of war would be for you to study our Civil War and Sherman's March to the Sea and subsequent immediate drive through the Carolinas. It tore the economic heart out of the South, making it impossible to supply Lee's Army and hastening its surrender. That wholesale destruction included farms, cotton gins, along with military production capabilities. Or perhaps the prosecution of the war against Germany and Japan. Against Japan, our submarines erased the Japanese merchant fleet from the Pacific while our strategic bombers tore the heart out of their urban areas. Against Germany, the US and its once stalwart ally Great Britain maintained a 24 hr relentless bombardment against the German economy and means to continue the war.

Whatever targets we strike in Iran, I assure you the musings of any international "criminal court" will be the least factor in those decisions.
 
Just found the text below on Facebook, what say the US military experts on the forum, might the rescue mission have been the aftermath of a failed special forces operation to recover the weapons grade uranium?

The source is this, I have no clue as to who he is but the text does sounds plausible at least in most parts: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18vjqPmvZs/

The text in question is below:

Now that the dust has settled, it's fairly clear that the weekend events by the Americans were a Joint Special Operations Command attempt to establish a FOB (Forward Operating Base) in Isfahan, rather than a simple rescue attempt. The question remains whether the F-15E was part of that operation, or whether the downing of the jet triggered it.

It's most likely that the F-15E was the “first wave” of the operation. Why? Well, Trump isn’t particularly careful with his messaging. In one of his post-rescue posts, he said the rescued WSO (Weapons Systems Officer) was a “respected Colonel.”

That immediately raises a red flag. It’s not common for a colonel (O-6) to serve as a WSO in an F-15E Strike Eagle. WSOs are typically mid-career officers—captains (O-3) or majors (O-4)—paired with pilots of similar rank. However, a colonel could serve as a WSO if designated as the mission commander (MC) for a larger, multi-aircraft operation. U.S. Air Force doctrine allows a senior officer like a colonel to occupy the WSO seat as MC, overseeing all mission phases regardless of the pilot’s junior rank (e.g., captain). That, paired with what we know happened later, points to a broader mission.

The other element is the scale of the operation. The U.S. military didn’t just “find an abandoned airstrip south of Isfahan.” The airstrip where we believe the U.S. attempted to establish the FOB was likely surveyed months in advance. U.S. Special Forces don’t just “wing it” on operations like this. The narrative being presented—such as the claim that the MC-130J “got stuck”—suggests something that Special Operations planners simply don’t do.

The MC-130J Commando II aircraft that transported the troops—and likely the “Little Bird” helicopters—sustained damage from Iranian attacks, which prevented them from taking off. The shrapnel damage seen in images supports that. We don’t believe they crash-landed or were shot down. The only evidence cited for that is the bent rotor blades on one of the engines in aftermath photos. But the MC-130J is not a standard C-130, which uses four-blade steel propellers. The Special Forces variant uses six-bladed Dowty R391 composite propellers, built with a carbon-fiber structure rather than metal. The bent propellers are most likely the result of the resin matrix softening—effectively “melting”—under extreme conditions. Other images support this, as the propellers appear to shred and snap rather than cleanly break.

Why Isfahan? The obvious explanation is the collection of nuclear material, as the region hosts multiple facilities such as Natanz, where enriched uranium is believed to be stored. But there are other factors. Isfahan hosts a large Jewish community, which would likely be influenced by Mossad and CIA operations. The airstrip was not chosen at the last minute to rescue a WSO, with massive assets assembled on the fly. It’s rumored the airstrip had previously been surveyed by Israeli Shaldag (Unit 5101), an elite Israeli Air Force special operations unit.

As for staging: at roughly the same time, Iran struck Camp Buehring in Kuwait, which is believed to have been the staging ground for the operation. This suggests Iran had prior knowledge—and reinforces the idea that the base was tied to the American operation.

There are several other inconsistencies in the U.S. narrative: how a badly injured WSO managed to climb a mountain, why the extraction point was established in Isfahan when evacuation to Kuwait or Iraq was possible, and so on.

So the CSAR mission prematurely triggered a larger Special Operations effort to retrieve uranium stockpiles, or whether this was all part of a single planned operation, it failed. The Iranians have now learned a great deal about how the U.S. plans to infiltrate—and the U.S. has likely lost access to an airstrip it intended to use for a high-profile raid.

The U.S. narrative, of course, is one of “leave no man behind” - and reads like the outline of a Hollywood blockbuster.
People make up authoritative sounding nonsense about anything. Other people are ignorant enough to believe it. We have the a vast concentration of our SOF assets in the region. Not only is it absolutely plausible that this mission was planned and executed on this timeline, but that two separate such missions were planned and executed on that time line which is what actually happened.
 
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The source is this, I have no clue as to who he is
He is a self proclaimed “political anthropologist”, with a degree from a university in ulster, that spends most of his time on Facebook complaining about Trump…

Who clearly never spent a day in the USAF or with US SOF…

Many of his assumptions have little to no evidence to merit them… and many of his statements are outright wrong…

He should stick to lampooning Trump… he’s far better at that than he is analyzing military operations..
 
Ummm…. Trump hasn’t just said he is a Christian… he’s very specifically said he is a Presbyterian.. and has said it hundreds of time publicly… his mother raised him in a NY Presbyterian church… he talked about it several times in his 2016 campaign…

In his 2020 campaign he said he was a nondenominational Christian..


Trumps official Easter message.. further evidence of his claim of Christian faith..

And his official Christmas statement from
4 months ago..

 
Against Germany, the US and its once stalwart ally Great Britain…
General, I read this and it made my head snap back.

Is our once strong ties to the Islands now so frayed that a military leader of your experience and stature has doubts? I certainly hope not. I hope I’m reading way too much into this.

And, of course, I’m asking with sincere respect, not with a drop of confrontation.
 
General, I read this and it made my head snap back.

Is our once strong ties to the Islands now so frayed that a military leader of your experience and stature has doubts? I certainly hope not. I hope I’m reading way too much into this.

And, of course, I’m asking with sincere respect, not with a drop of confrontation.
In the spring of 1982, the Regan administration was in the midst of a major diplomatic initiative to develop better relations across the Southern Hemisphere and particularly with the Junta in Argentina. This was part of the administration's refocus on national interests rather than human rights as espoused by the Carter administration.

With the invasion of the islands, the administration initially tried to find a diplomatic solution using the then Secretary of State Alexander Haig and shuttle diplomacy. When this failed and Thatcher remained resolved to retake the islands, the US turned its back on an effort that was clearly in its national interests, made Ascension Island and vast amounts of fuel available to the British thereby establishing the only possible air bridge to the South Atlantic, and supplied the MOD with our latest air-to-air missiles which performed brilliantly on UK Harriers. The US also provided critical strategic intelligence which proved invaluable in the later stages of the campaign.

This support had nothing to do with NATO, nothing to do with any mutual defense treaty. It is the sort of action a true ally takes. I find the comparison to Starmer's government rather striking.
 
I hope Trump is truly a Christian but I don’t think he is. At the very least he isn’t a mature one. Better to think or assume he’s not based on the following and pray for his salvation than think he is one.

My reasoning has nothing to do with the occasional expletives or past infidelities (none of us are perfect, including me), although those aren’t great indicators, but more to do with comments he has made in the past (some pretty recent) that shows he doesn’t understand the Gospel message and salvation. That and the fact that in the White House “Faith Office” there is a woman “pastor” (who is also a heretical false teacher on top of being a woman pastor which isn’t biblical) who serves as a “spiritual advisor”. Something a mature Christian in authority wouldn’t allow or be associated with.

Each man knows in his heart of hearts what his eternal destination is. That’s between them and God. I’m not here to say yay or nay. Salvation is the result of saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ not from lip service. That occasional lip service proves nothing. You’ll know who are His by their fruits. If something walks, talks and acts like a duck then there’s a high probability it’s a duck. I’d be surprised if the actual amount of Christians on earth were 1/5-1/3 of the amount of people who claim to be.
 
Just found the text below on Facebook, what say the US military experts on the forum, might the rescue mission have been the aftermath of a failed special forces operation to recover the weapons grade uranium?

The source is this, I have no clue as to who he is but the text does sounds plausible at least in most parts: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/18vjqPmvZs/

The text in question is below:

Now that the dust has settled, it's fairly clear that the weekend events by the Americans were a Joint Special Operations Command attempt to establish a FOB (Forward Operating Base) in Isfahan, rather than a simple rescue attempt. The question remains whether the F-15E was part of that operation, or whether the downing of the jet triggered it.

It's most likely that the F-15E was the “first wave” of the operation. Why? Well, Trump isn’t particularly careful with his messaging. In one of his post-rescue posts, he said the rescued WSO (Weapons Systems Officer) was a “respected Colonel.”

That immediately raises a red flag. It’s not common for a colonel (O-6) to serve as a WSO in an F-15E Strike Eagle. WSOs are typically mid-career officers—captains (O-3) or majors (O-4)—paired with pilots of similar rank. However, a colonel could serve as a WSO if designated as the mission commander (MC) for a larger, multi-aircraft operation. U.S. Air Force doctrine allows a senior officer like a colonel to occupy the WSO seat as MC, overseeing all mission phases regardless of the pilot’s junior rank (e.g., captain). That, paired with what we know happened later, points to a broader mission.

The other element is the scale of the operation. The U.S. military didn’t just “find an abandoned airstrip south of Isfahan.” The airstrip where we believe the U.S. attempted to establish the FOB was likely surveyed months in advance. U.S. Special Forces don’t just “wing it” on operations like this. The narrative being presented—such as the claim that the MC-130J “got stuck”—suggests something that Special Operations planners simply don’t do.

The MC-130J Commando II aircraft that transported the troops—and likely the “Little Bird” helicopters—sustained damage from Iranian attacks, which prevented them from taking off. The shrapnel damage seen in images supports that. We don’t believe they crash-landed or were shot down. The only evidence cited for that is the bent rotor blades on one of the engines in aftermath photos. But the MC-130J is not a standard C-130, which uses four-blade steel propellers. The Special Forces variant uses six-bladed Dowty R391 composite propellers, built with a carbon-fiber structure rather than metal. The bent propellers are most likely the result of the resin matrix softening—effectively “melting”—under extreme conditions. Other images support this, as the propellers appear to shred and snap rather than cleanly break.

Why Isfahan? The obvious explanation is the collection of nuclear material, as the region hosts multiple facilities such as Natanz, where enriched uranium is believed to be stored. But there are other factors. Isfahan hosts a large Jewish community, which would likely be influenced by Mossad and CIA operations. The airstrip was not chosen at the last minute to rescue a WSO, with massive assets assembled on the fly. It’s rumored the airstrip had previously been surveyed by Israeli Shaldag (Unit 5101), an elite Israeli Air Force special operations unit.

As for staging: at roughly the same time, Iran struck Camp Buehring in Kuwait, which is believed to have been the staging ground for the operation. This suggests Iran had prior knowledge—and reinforces the idea that the base was tied to the American operation.

There are several other inconsistencies in the U.S. narrative: how a badly injured WSO managed to climb a mountain, why the extraction point was established in Isfahan when evacuation to Kuwait or Iraq was possible, and so on.

So the CSAR mission prematurely triggered a larger Special Operations effort to retrieve uranium stockpiles, or whether this was all part of a single planned operation, it failed. The Iranians have now learned a great deal about how the U.S. plans to infiltrate—and the U.S. has likely lost access to an airstrip it intended to use for a high-profile raid.

The U.S. narrative, of course, is one of “leave no man behind” - and reads like the outline of a Hollywood blockbuster.
The US "narrative" of not leaving service members behind is part of the ethos drilled into service members from the basic schooling until the end of their career. Its not a Hollywood blockbuster. We would often recover the bodies of NATO members that were left because they were forced to break contact from the area. We will expend all resources to recover our service members and those from other countries.
 
I hope Trump is truly a Christian but I don’t think he is. At the very least he isn’t a mature one. Better to think or assume he’s not based on the following and pray for his salvation than think he is one.

My reasoning has nothing to do with the occasional expletives or past infidelities (none of us are perfect, including me), although those aren’t great indicators, but more to do with comments he has made in the past (some pretty recent) that shows he doesn’t understand the Gospel message and salvation. That and the fact that in the White House “Faith Office” there is a woman “pastor” (who is also a heretical false teacher on top of being a woman pastor which isn’t biblical) who serves as a “spiritual advisor”. Something a mature Christian in authority wouldn’t allow or be associated with.

Each man knows in his heart of hearts what his eternal destination is. That’s between them and God. I’m not here to say yay or nay. Salvation is the result of saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ not from lip service. That occasional lip service proves nothing. You’ll know who are His by their fruits. If something walks, talks and acts like a duck then there’s a high probability it’s a duck. I’d be surprised if the actual amount of Christians on earth were 1/5-1/3 of the amount of people who claim to be.

I believe that the overwhelming majority of people that claim ANY faith, arent really faithful at all..

I cant tell you how many "devout" muslims have asked me for booze, drugs, whores, pork, etc.. as long as they arent in the presence of other "believers", theyre all about having a good time..

and the same rings true for Christians...

I live very close to an Indian temple (Radna Krishna).. as a result I have A LOT of Indians living in reasonably close proximity and Ive gotten to know quite a few pretty well.. my DFW suburb is roughly 6% Indian right now and it is the fastest growing population in the suburb..

Most of the Indians Ive gotten to know describe themselves as "bad" Indians.. they adhere to the parts of their culture and part of hinduism that are "easy".. but there are also parts of traditional American culture they like, foods they like, activities they like, etc that have them stray pretty far from devout hinduism..
 
The US "narrative" of not leaving service members behind is part of the ethos drilled into service members from the basic schooling until the end of their career. Its not a Hollywood blockbuster. We would often recover the bodies of NATO members that were left because they were forced to break contact from the area. We will expend all resources to recover our service members and those from other countries.

spot on...

it gets engrained into every service member.. every branch.. from the day they enter the US military until the day they leave.. and has been that way for at least as long as my own involvement in the military (late 1980's).. and I'd guess a good bit longer..
 
The US "narrative" of not leaving service members behind is part of the ethos drilled into service members from the basic schooling until the end of their career. Its not a Hollywood blockbuster. We would often recover the bodies of NATO members that were left because they were forced to break contact from the area. We will expend all resources to recover our service members and those from other countries.
I did not said that I agreed with what the person posted on Facebook, just curious as to if this event was in anyway related to the previously discussed possibility of a special operation intended to take the uranium away from the Iranians.

Personally I think that it must be very reassuring for any US military personal to know that their goverment would use so much resources and sacrifice so much equipment in order to save one man.

Since Trump has previously not given the impression to be so much of a "bring everyone home"-guy: https://lieu.house.gov/media-center...eterans-slam-trump-reported-comments-military its nice to see that this has changed.
 
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