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[mdwest]

I can tell you that proportion: You have a Command Element to control things, then you have a Ground Combat Element made up of a reinforced infantry battalion (reinforced by things like enough amphibious vehicles to carry one of the infantry companies, some light armored vehicles, a battery of artillery, some combat engineers, etc., an Aviation Combat Element made up of a composite helicopter squadron (Ospreys, Cobras, Hueys, Sea Stallions, and maybe even F-35s, (there's your combat force), and a battalion sized Logistics Combat Element covering all six combat service support functions.

All of them can perform as a rifleman.

And that's a MEU.

You wouldn't believe how big a MEB is.

A MEU is almost certainly what is deploying… they’re roughly 2200 personnel when at full strength…

The F35’s on the Tripoli will almost certainly support the ongoing air campaign.. the rotary wing assets, FAST team, and reconnaissance elements would almost certainly be used for VBSS operations in the area… etc… deploying a MEU makes perfect sense for the current situation..

But.. it most certainly isn’t an invasion force…

When the 82nd, 10th Mtn, and 101st all start to load onto C17’s, that is a sure indicator that things are about to dramatically change…

2000 Marines getting on board a ship stateside to take a 2 week trip to get to the shores of Iran in no way represents “Iraq revisited” as Pondoro pontificates..

 

[mdwest]

For the record I agree wholeheartedly with what trump is doing in Iran and wish Canada would step up and try and offer what assistance we can as it would go a long way towards mending fences obviously there is no need for Canada to participate in the bombing campaign and we likely don’t have much to contribute anyway but we could and should be assisting in convoy duty it is one of the things our navy small as it is would be suitable for and something we historically excelled at.

Completely concur..

This is a stellar opportunity for Carney… send nothing more than a show of solidarity… 2 Halifax class frigates.. and offer to do escorts…

Trump then praises Carney… and suddenly he’s willing to do a little more give and take on trade…

That’s how Trump works… he purposefully tries to punish his opponents (not necessarily enemies… just anyone that opposes him)… and he goes out of his way to reward his friends..

I’d be willing to bet the cost of the fuel to get to Iran and back along with the fuel needed to patrol and a handful of intercept missiles fired would be a tiny fraction of cost compared to what Carney could make up on tariffs and specific trade considerations…

 

[Doug Hamilton]

At any one point there is at most five to six Canadians represented on the political page of this forum each with a different and distinct world view often differing greatly. For example @RLD And I couldn’t be further apart if we tried on Indian rights. Yet a segment of the American congregation feels any time they are disagreed with it’s perfectly ok to bash our entire country for the opinions of a few ? The Canadian members of this forum all show varying degrees of respect to the American members based on the merits they individually assign each poster’s contributions could the Americans show us the same courtesy and stop shitting on our entire country over the posts of a few individuals? It really shows a great deal of disrespect to the hundred plus years we’ve spent as allies. If you believe a fellow forum member is an asshole bestow the title upon them personally there really is no need to drag nations into it.

I think we all.know that really. The issue that I see is that American hunters and gun owners detest the the liberal side of our government here. It looks like Canada has already achieved much of the gun control laws and anti hunting policies that we do not want to see here. Many liberal Americans hold up Canada (along with Europe and Australia) as examples how we should do things here. So criticism of Canada and Canadians isn't aimed at everyone, just those we see as a threat to our way of life.

 

[Scott CWO]

Sharia here and there...so I guess I am right then... The bottom line here is more or less a crusade against Islam..with Bibi at point.

Now you are deploying 2000+ Marines to the gulf...Iraq revisited..?

Uhh I guess you are ignoring that the other Islamic Gulf states are on our side and we have bases there? Iran is attacking them. Stop trying to turn this into a religious issue.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

Dearbornistan.

Can you imagine the media talking heads foaming at the mouth, and the leftist outcry if a MAGA guy drove his truck into a Mosque
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Y'know if the Left didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

 

[Brent in Az]

At any one point there is at most five to six Canadians represented on the political page of this forum each with a different and distinct world view often differing greatly. For example @RLD And I couldn’t be further apart if we tried on Indian rights. Yet a segment of the American congregation feels any time they are disagreed with it’s perfectly ok to bash our entire country for the opinions of a few ? The Canadian members of this forum all show varying degrees of respect to the American members based on the merits they individually assign each poster’s contributions could the Americans show us the same courtesy and stop shitting on our entire country over the posts of a few individuals? It really shows a great deal of disrespect to the hundred plus years we’ve spent as allies. If you believe a fellow forum member is an asshole bestow the title upon them personally there really is no need to drag nations into it.

You might want to send this memo to some of your forum compatriots, who feel the constant need to bash Trump, our leadership, foreign policy, etc, etc, etc and by proxy, bashing the USA and those of us who support Trump.
A person of non USA citizenship shouldn't constantly be trashing Trump, or the decisions of the USA when they have problems in their own house to contend with, and no skin in the game down here.
The respect you are asking for is a two way street. Tit for tat..

 

[Brent in Az]

Y'know if the Left didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

No standards, no moral compass.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

You might want to send this memo to some of your forum compatriots, who feel the constant need to bash Trump, our leadership, foreign policy, etc, etc, etc and by proxy, bashing the USA and those of us who support Trump.
A person of non USA citizenship shouldn't constantly be trashing Trump, or the decisions of the USA when they have problems in their own house to contend with, and no skin in the game down here.

The respect you are asking for is a two way street. Tit for tat..

There is a very real difference between disagreeing with your presidents actions and criticizing your country as a whole, I myself have criticized your president at great length and am still a staunch supporter of America. I’ve never seen a Canadian member at any point criticize America as a whole just it’s current leadership if you’d like to bash our leadership have at it hell I’ll pitch in and help you but don’t confuse criticism of leadership with criticism of the flag. Some of us north of the border are every bit as patriotic as our compatriots to the south.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

Completely concur..

This is a stellar opportunity for Carney… send nothing more than a show of solidarity… 2 Halifax class frigates.. and offer to do escorts…

Trump then praises Carney… and suddenly he’s willing to do a little more give and take on trade…

That’s how Trump works… he purposefully tries to punish his opponents (not necessarily enemies… just anyone that opposes him)… and he goes out of his way to reward his friends..

I’d be willing to bet the cost of the fuel to get to Iran and back along with the fuel needed to patrol and a handful of intercept missiles fired would be a tiny fraction of cost compared to what Carney could make up on tariffs and specific trade considerations…

My guess would be carneys handler in china doesn’t see the benefits that you and I see

 

[Pheroze]

A MEU is almost certainly what is deploying… they’re roughly 2200 personnel when at full strength…

The F35’s on the Tripoli will almost certainly support the ongoing air campaign.. the rotary wing assets, FAST team, and reconnaissance elements would almost certainly be used for VBSS operations in the area… etc… deploying a MEU makes perfect sense for the current situation..

But.. it most certainly isn’t an invasion force…

When the 82nd, 10th Mtn, and 101st all start to load onto C17’s, that is a sure indicator that things are about to dramatically change…

2000 Marines getting on board a ship stateside to take a 2 week trip to get to the shores of Iran in no way represents “Iraq revisited” as Pondoro pontificates..

At what point does the President have to get authorization from Congress?

 

[SaintPanzer]

A MEU is almost certainly what is deploying… they’re roughly 2200 personnel when at full strength…

The F35’s on the Tripoli will almost certainly support the ongoing air campaign.. the rotary wing assets, FAST team, and reconnaissance elements would almost certainly be used for VBSS operations in the area… etc… deploying a MEU makes perfect sense for the current situation..

But.. it most certainly isn’t an invasion force…

When the 82nd, 10th Mtn, and 101st all start to load onto C17’s, that is a sure indicator that things are about to dramatically change…

2000 Marines getting on board a ship stateside to take a 2 week trip to get to the shores of Iran in no way represents “Iraq revisited” as Pondoro pontificates..

The ARG was already at sea... it won't take two weeks. USS Tripoli is based in Japan, I would bet you'll be seeing the words "31st MEU" a lot in the near future.

And those F-35s? Any excess sorties will go to the JFACC. But priority will be to MEU ops. Ditto rotary wing. It's good to have your own toys. Let the MEU Commander figure it out.

But agreed. A good raid force, not an invasion force.

 

[1dirthawker]

Where is the strategy..? Bomb Iran by the scorched earth prinsiple..and then what..? This is not Iraq...no sign of them giving up.

One billion dollars per day..

just because you don't know the strategy does not mean there is not one.

one billion dollars a day....what is it worth to stop iran from sending nukes YOUR way? you are welcome

 

[Tanks]

And what is it you are using to e-verify?

SS#. If it is valid the I am good.

 

[SaintPanzer]

At what point does the President have to get authorization from Congress?

He's notified Congress. If they say stop, he has 60 days. They didn't tell him to stop.

 

[Hunt anything]

SS#. If it is valid the I am good.

Negative on the SS card, my H2A guys had to get SS cards. At the end of the year before they go home we have to give them a tax form, it’s “voluntary” for them to be filled out so I’m not sure the reasoning behind it.

Oops, Thought you were talking about voting not working. I’m prone to Post before engaging brain again.

 

[SaintPanzer]

SS#. If it is valid the I am good.

Well, if they have that (and assuming the name matches the number, and it's not false/stolen) then that's what they need to prove citizenship. So it's kind of a circular argument.

 

[Hunt anything]

Well, if they have that (and assuming the name matches the number, and it's not false/stolen) then that's what they need to prove citizenship. So it's kind of a circular argument.

Ss# only proves they have a work visa not citizenship.

 

[Pheroze]

The ARG was already at sea... it won't take two weeks. USS Tripoli is based in Japan, I would bet you'll be seeing the words "31st MEU" a lot in the near future.

And those F-35s? Any excess sorties will go to the JFACC. But priority will be to MEU ops. Ditto rotary wing. It's good to have your own toys. Let the MEU Commander figure it out.

But agreed. A good raid force, not an invasion force.

Is it the kind of force you would put in to arm and support a resident militia? Or is that a separate skill set and done by a different organization?

 

[Pheroze]

Or I suppose if you are just going to occupy Kharg Island…

 

[Hunt anything]

Is it the kind of force you would put in to arm and support a resident militia? Or is that a separate skill set and done by a different organization?

That would probably go to the Green Berets, they are extremely good as force multipliers and trainers of locals.