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This country is on the brink of a political collapse. The Democrats have become brazen to the point of not even bothering to cover up their atrocities. Nobody is going to put them behind bars.
The only way to beat the Democrats, is to use their own tactics against them. Unfortunately, the media is not on our side, and is nothing more then a theater of propaganda, and, shame & blame, on the opposition.
When a politician tells the public that they are going to start compiling lists of Trump supporters, and keep them from working in a free market, I am totally ready to shed my human form, and go full Alien on these sorry ass miscreants.
 

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And yes, "incarcerate, fire, defund, take away pensions, execute for sedition, and any and every action which roots them out of academia, the deep state, where ever they may be found." is rather different than some uninformed junior congresswoman tweeting about making a list.

I agree with you whole heartedly that this creep toward a socialist nirvana governed by a totalitarian form of group think needs to be stopped. But ranting about deporting or executing the opposition is of zero utility. What we do need to do is to politically retake our country. That will be hard, because you and I helped create these two generations of dependent adult children who are demanding "justice" and lots effortless acquired free things. There are lots of them, and people like you and I are becoming fewer everyday.

Our generation bailed them out of their every problem as children and young adults while they were growing up; we financially underwrote their successes and failures; we didn't pay nearly close enough attention to their term papers, reading assignments, etc while they were in school; and we sat by and let both parties turn the country into some sort of giant service industry model where all too few can even find a meaningful career.

It is going to take a lot of real work to fix all that. Trump has kick-started that process. We can now either throw up our hands and daydream about militia armies marching on Portland, or we can roll up our sleeves and fight them politically as hard and as effectively as they have fought us over the last three decades.

We must do the latter, and I am convinced that means focusing today on Georgia. To the President's lasting credit he is headed there next Saturday.
You are in the right of it...but somehow we must be as ruthless as they or the barbarians will take down western civilization.
 

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The elephant in the room: Entitlement-sized government. Any government too small or poor to provide entitlements skips most of our problem--even socialists have to enlarge government exponentially, so deny them that in the same way you would deny a tumor blood flow. With entitlements taken off the table, reality sets in--people have to vote jobs, not junk. How to shrink it now appears to be a B grade movie about a computer taking over the world--a hero has to leap and unplug the power supply. THAT MY FRIENDS IS WHY WE SHOULD BOYCOTT TAXES UNTIL EVERY LAST CLAIM FROM OUR SIDE IS MET, INCLUDING VASTLY SHRINKING THE GOVERNMENT ITSELF. Once that is done, the race can be won, IMHO. In fact, I think the founding fathers wrestled with what to do with the popular vote vs. the vested business/monied community. No one wants workless slugs voting to plunder the system, and having the last say in it. With 49% takers, thats what you are almost dealing with. Would you really miss it if half the government went away, never to return?
 

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Did a candidate who could pull together a gathering of tens of thousands of people on less than a weeks notice actually loose to a candidate who barely campaigned, and when he campaigned could hardly get a gathering larger than his entourage.

Did Biden really receive 10m more votes than Hillary. Is there a reason he didn't feel he had to campaign.

Yes these are rhetorical and not meant as a direct affront to you even though I am quoting your post. (I'm really quoting the Times article. )

When Michigan can drop a tranche of 138,000 and 27,000 votes for Biden with none for Trump.

When Wisconsin can drop a 100,000 tranche for Biden and none for Trump.

When Pennsylvania can drop a 570,000 tranche for Biden and 3,200 for Trump.

The Trump campaign says 7-10m votes were switched. This could be hyperbole and we will probably never know.

The more we learn, the more it seems vast amounts of Biden votes are phantom. At the moment it looks as though the Pennsylvania legislature realizes that too.

It is an uphill battle for Trump, but this election seems far from over at the moment.
I have no idea if you are right or wrongs and, with respect, I don't think you do either. I can only say this: if you are right, Trump has the most incompetent team of lawyers ever assembled. So far they have managed to provide evidence - and I mean evidence, not anecdotes - of anything material or which who'll have changed the result. If you know these things you state to be true, and can prove them, or someone else who asserts them can, then I'm prepared to listen.

But go ahead. Fight for Trump. My family are fighting for policies.
 

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You know, I have come to despise the word, "entitlement." Can you imagine how much money you would each have in your pocket if that word did not exist. You could afford to have and rightly raise more than one child of your own, instead of paying for crack babies and other underprivileged babies to grow up in dysfunctional homes, breeding more of the same. Every western civilized country has the same dynamic--college educated citizens at zero growth birth rate with the uneducated masses burgeoning, all paid for by welfare.,
 

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It goes without saying, I have always respected and admired your thoughtful and measured responses to all of these discussions. With that being said, I completely disagree in regard to calling the evidence of improprieties and fraud being presented so far as anecdotal. I can only speculate as to what these lower courts deem as "sufficient" in terms of sufficient evidence to overturn the election. But, what is not speculation are the hundreds of sworn affidavits from witnesses all across these key swing states alleging every inconceivable impropriety and violation of election protocol know to mankind. Did you not see the cardboard being applied to the windows of the counting rooms all over these dem voting strongholds? Add that to the impossible math of more votes being counted than voters in many swing districts, impossible trends of 100% of missing ballots all going to Biden, and the algorithms showing huge monolithic clusters of Biden votes being cast after polls closing which previously had Trump in double digit leads.

Based on your many years of insightful contributions here, I want to pay you the compliment of having common sense to go along with that intellect. I can't speak for anyone else but when I have seen shit, smelled shit, and commenced to scraping it off of my boots, I don't need to wait for a court to rule in my favor that there is a 100% chance I stepped in shit.

There is no longer a question in the mind of anyone with a lick of common sense that fraud and improprieties took place on a wholesale level in this election. The only question that remains is what we as a country are going to do about it. Maybe nothing more than sit back and watch it happen...

You would then also be assuming that a 40+year swamp politician with two previous failed runs at the presidency, with obvious dementia, in the midst of a corruption scandal, who never campaigned or had to answer a question of substance on anything, garnered a record-setting 80 million votes because enough of the people in this country thought despite all of the aforementioned, HE was still the best hope for correcting the political dysfunction in this country? To quote Joe himself: "C'mon man!"

You are correct in pointing out that the make up of our current division is much different than the war between the Union and the Confederacy in which there were clear divisions both geographically and economically between the states. Even in most of the red states of today, the division is immense and the red majority is thin at best. The battles would be fought within the states themselves even down to a community or neighborhood level much like we are seeing now with the civil unrest. With this current scenario, I don't see any path to victory on either side that would lead to reconciliation. One ideology would have to eradicate the other. It is truly a terrible prospect to contemplate and one that I thought I would never see in my lifetime. Regardless of how ominous the possibility of a true civil war sounds, it may already be a forgone conclusion in whatever form it takes. Something has to give...
I fully appreciate your frustration. The "anecdotal" point I am trying to make is that it takes more than several hundred affidavits across several states to generate a remedy that will be sufficient to overturn a certification in a particular state. Generally, the remedy is to throw out the specific challenged ballot. To date, apparently, the President's legal team has been unable to suggest how their anecdotal evidence meets that sufficiency requirement. The Federal appellate court which heard the PA appeal is about as friendly a venue as they will see in this process.

With respect to Sidney Powell's allegation of a vast conspiracy to electronically interfere with vote count being tallied by Dominion servers, even highly partisan conservative reporters have grudgingly admitted that the fundamental foundation of her allegation was a con man's self-enrichment scam created almost two years ago - not a CIA plot to change elections abroad.

There are indeed numerous curious anomalies in the publicly available state tallies. @Wheels has collected many of them. I'd like them explained as well. But as someone who ran a major software development and systems engineering business for a decade, anomalies can have all sorts of different explanations other than the foreign injection of a mysterious algorithmic infection.

I think this election was indeed "stolen." I use the parenthetical form of the term because much of the theft was technically legal. The democrat party set in motion a Covid-based mail vote scheme that was certain to strongly favor their traditional voters who could be harvested by community organizers far more effectively than classic get out the vote efforts. Those ballots also likely over enabled votes by urban women who have been terrified by the pandemic and offended by the president. I am frustrated that the republican party and administration didn't do more to nip it in the bud or even take advantage of it themselves, but the constitution gives enormous power to the states in how to conduct their elections.

And it is important to realize that no matter how effective those efforts were, they affected the decisive margins only of a few critical states. Texas, Florida, Ohio - all considered "in play" - remained solidly red.

Moreover, I don't think anyone (other than maybe Sidney Powell) is seriously questioning that Biden did not get a majority, however slim, of the popular vote. We need to reflect on that. Slightly over half of our fellow travelers thought it was wiser to vote for a cognitively challenged man who never left his basement than Donald Trump. We need to figure that out quickly, because from my foxhole - right now - today - all the evidence indicates that the "silent majority" isn't a majority.

And as you think about eradicating an ideology, look around your neighborhood. I don't know where in Florida you make your home, but even in the greater Austin area, the real radicals doing damage are awfully few. There is no Bolshevik army, or even movement, to oppose physically. Many of the major cities are a mess, but that is hardly new. The Democrats are simply winning where we need to more aggressively challenge them. This year, the republican party took every single toss-up election for the House. Pelosi has been dramatically weakened. Hold the senate and they can only play with their agenda on the margins.
 

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Of course it is a political. A republican legislature is deciding to potentially throw out an election in which the opposition party claims to have prevailed. There may indeed be good reasons to do it, but it is by definition a political action. And you can bet the minority legislative faction will exploit every political and legal means at its disposal to prevent it. We would do the same if roles were reversed.
We would not do the same, OR WE ALREADY WOULD HAVE because we have taken all 3 branches, yet not packed the court, or massively cheated in elections. This has gone off the scale, off the map.
 

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There were supposedly spikes in voting totals which were impossible to input in the amount of time allotted--physical impossibilities. There were batches of even numbers inputed 15000 20000 even-nothing happens like that naturally. I'm sorry, but to kick the can down the road is not an option this election...after all the devoted massive voting effort, to steal it will just be demoralizing. I hope we can keep momentum, but hey--even the GA runoff is being manipulated with "absentee" ballots--the Dem party website advertised getting "yours" ahead of the election.
 

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I don't want to interrupt this dialogue, but I do think it's worth nothing that after 6,358 likes on AH, I have finally gotten (some would say a well deserved) dislike!:Finger:
 

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With all the talk of civil war, I think it may pay to stop and take a breath.

Some may think they are taking on Antifa, BLM or even the Demonrats. In reality they will, within minutes of starting, be taking on the full resources of every level of Government in the US. The result will be short lived and ugly.
 

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And as you think about eradicating an ideology, look around your neighborhood. I don't know where in Florida you make your home, but even in the greater Austin area, the real radicals doing damage are awfully few. There is no Bolshevik army, or even movement, to oppose physically. Many of the major cities are a mess, but that is hardly new.

I realize you enjoy being the voice of reason and you also like to play devil's advocate for the sake of argument. I mean that as a compliment, and I have no problem with entertaining any number of plausible possibilities, but with regard to illegal election fraud, I sincerely believe you are underestimating both what has been done and what they were capable of doing... Hopefully, time will tell.

With respect to your comment above, I live in South Florida. A born and raised Miami native of over 50 years. I lived through two of the county's most violent race riots in our history. I watched my father's small business burned to the ground twice. I also witnessed two decades of mass immigration from just about every 3rd-world country in the Caribbean. I spent the first 10 years of my law enforcement career as a beat cop, and the next 21 as a homicide detective. So, it's safe to say that I have had a front row seat to the evolving political and social cultures of my home...

And, it's not the radicals that have me concerned. A visible enemy is much easier to fight. I would further argue that the "Bolshevik army" you refer to doesn't have to be armed thugs physically burning police cars, private businesses, and toppling statues to be a threat. The Bolsheviks I fear are those like Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler, Schiff, Sanders, and the like... Soft, sweet propaganda whispered into the ears of those longing to hear it is much more terrifying to me than a handful of unwashed idiots that were allowed to take over and occupy a few blocks in one of the most liberal cities in America. The "mess" may not be new, but it is growing exponentially. And, how the left is regarding the mess as the new normal is unacceptable.

I would also add that a lot of damage both physically and politically has already been done in this country by what you refer to as an "awfully few". I guess it's perspective. Maybe you would feel differently if the mob of "just a few" was standing in front of your home threating to burn it and kill you...?
 
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With all the talk of civil war, I think it may pay to stop and take a breath.

Some may think they are taking on Antifa, BLM or even the Demonrats. In reality they will, within minutes of starting, be taking on the full resources of every level of Government in the US. The result will be short lived and ugly.
Guerilla warfare.
 

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With all the talk of civil war, I think it may pay to stop and take a breath.

Some may think they are taking on Antifa, BLM or even the Demonrats. In reality they will, within minutes of starting, be taking on the full resources of every level of Government in the US. The result will be short lived and ugly.
You will not see organized armies facing off across any battlefield. You will see armed citizens organizing in small groups to defend their communities from violent anarchists and common criminals who have become their fellow travelers ready to join in at any convenient excuse such as any time a criminal is assaulted or killed by a police officer in the act of committing a crime.

Or you will see resistance when these animals are encouraged to publically harass, shout down, or assault those with opposing political views or simply for being a white person in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am happy for those of you on here who reside in a place where you have no concept of what I am talking about. I hope to move in the very near future to a place like that before there are none left.
 

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I have no idea if you are right or wrongs and, with respect, I don't think you do either. I can only say this: if you are right, Trump has the most incompetent team of lawyers ever assembled. So far they have managed to provide evidence - and I mean evidence, not anecdotes - of anything material or which who'll have changed the result. If you know these things you state to be true, and can prove them, or someone else who asserts them can, then I'm prepared to listen.

But go ahead. Fight for Trump. My family are fighting for policies.

You certainly know the rules of evidence. I don't. Perhaps what I consider to be empirical evidence you discount as little more than nothing.

You don't think I know if something happened. Fine. Generally when I post something that is not an opinion, I try to cite sources. In the post you are responding to I didn't do that due to time. Here is the 138k vote dump for Biden as captured from tv, from the Michigan election board. This has not been explained by anyone so far. There may be an explanation but as of yet, the state of Michigan has not let anyone near the computers.



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Here is some of the backup for my statement regarding PA having 570,000 votes for Biden with 3,200 for Trump. This came from the hearing's in PA this week. I don't know the CV of the person testifying or where he is getting his information from.



Will any of this hold up in court. Probably not. Access to the computer logs is part of some of the legal cases. From what I understand, Trump wants access to them. If full transparency was the goal, you would think that would be a goal of everyone.

Will there ever be access to the Dominion computer logs. Probably not if Biden is inaugurated.

As an attorney, you look at this through the eyes of the law. You want hard evidence and in all likelihood that will not be available by December 14. Hard evidence is probably not where this election is going. It is going toward empirical evidence. This case is all about politics and the court of public opinion. Currently 70% of Republicans think there was cheating by the Democrats. Currently 30% of Democrats think there was cheating by the Democrats. This is three weeks out from the election. We have at least two more weeks left before a decision is made. Possibly longer. How much higher will the percentages change in two weeks.

The neat thing is the founders were very smart people and they actually made allowances for cheating in an election. Yes there will be court cases between now and the inauguration. Some may fall for Trump and some won't. In the end it probably won't come down to any court case. It will come down to the State Legislatures in three States. That is it, and the founders accounted for this.

Will Trump win. I don't know but this is all about empirical evidence, or as you call it, anecdotes, and the pressure that voters put on their state legislatures.

Yes I will continue to fight for Trump. Not because I am an acolyte, but because I truly believe the fix was in. Your family may fight for policies. I am fighting for my Republic, if I can keep it.
 

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This Presidential election was stolen. What will keep the dark forces from stealing the Georgia runoff?
 

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You will not see organized armies facing off across any battlefield. You will see armed citizens organizing in small groups to defend their communities from violent anarchists and common criminals who have become their fellow travelers ready to join in at any convenient excuse such as any time a criminal is assaulted or killed by a police officer in the act of committing a crime.

Or you will see resistance when these animals are encouraged to publically harass, shout down, or assault those with opposing political views or simply for being a white person in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am happy for those of you on here who reside in a place where you have no concept of what I am talking about. I hope to move in the very near future to a place like that before there are none left.
In this you and I are actually in considerable agreement. What you describe is not what I would call a “civil war.” I have been hoping to see neighborhoods decide to defend themselves from these thugs And somewhat perplexed they haven’t. Perhaps Washington and Oregon became the UK when weren’t paying attention. My expectation is that a lot of the “terrorizing“ of residential areas would come to a sudden stop. Regrettably, much of that defense of property ability is governed very punitive state and local laws (witness MO). Fortunately, here in Texas property rights are almost as important as personal self-defense.

I don’t really think I am playing devil’s advocate. I am however an unabashed realist. An incredibly important runoff election is going to occur in a few weeks. I am terribly worried that far too many of the newly engaged Trump supporters will sit it out once their hopes for Congressional redo never come to pass.

I genuinely honor your service. Consider Texas in your future plans. Would love to continue this discussion over a good scotch.
 
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Most of your recent assertions in regard to election fraud the last few replies are so delusional they are not worthy of argument. In regard to this last comment, I would only point out that the "law of the land" should first apply to the laws that were broken to acquire said office in the first place.

As far as another civil war is concerned, it has already existed as a cold war which began shortly after Obama's first term in office. Obama's systematic alienation of the "real Americans" that you insultingly refer to as a dog whistle term for "racists", collectively began to grow increasingly sick and tired of a multitude of new ideologies all based in fake narratives and identity politics. We were introduced to the new ideology that told us we should be ashamed of our American exceptionalism, and repent for the crimes of previous generations. We were told that God is offensive, our entire political and economic systems were inherently racist, and abortion is not murder provided that the mother deems it so. For the next 8 years, Americans were told that we must accept these new narratives or pay the price by being publically ostracized.

However, what Obama and yourself apparently failed to account is that "Real Americans" come in all ethnicities and colors in case you hadn't noticed..? We are hard-working, mostly blue collar folks who are tired of being labeled racist for having populist views such as pride for our country which was founded upon Judeo-Christian values, respect for those who sacrificed for our freedoms, and most importantly, a reverence for the US Constitution "AS WRITTEN"...! Trump was the ONLY candidate who tapped into that concept and had the balls to run a political platform on it... That's how he defied the odds and destroyed a field of 17 establishment republicans to win the presidency despite a multitude of personal and character flaws that would have sunk any other candidate right out of the gate...

I believe we have reached that point of civil war when middle-aged couples from the suburbs have no choice but to stand armed on their front lawn to keep their home from being burned down, and then subsequently get arrested for doing do... I truly believe that there are more than enough angry "real Americans" who would fight an actual civil war. The problem with that is that unlike our previous civil war, we had political leaders capable of organizing and funding a rebellion. However, those types of leaders are non-existent today as evident of the indifference if not outright cowering we have already seen demonstrated by so many republican politicians in the course of this past year. Instead of outright war, it is highly more likely that we will increasingly see more civil disturbance taken to new and more violent levels than ever before. It is not unrealistic to expect to see various small, independent militias forming on local levels to defend their own homes, businesses, and property assuming the Biden Administration is going to continue the practice of encouraging, condoning, or turning a blind eye toward the violence from the anarchists. But who really knows? I wouldn't rule out anything at this point especially if the new Administration continues to cripple this country with national lockdowns and other assorted violations of our personal freedoms. When you push people to the point where they have nothing left to lose, anything is on the table.
Yep, another member of the repugnant party but for all the ranting and raving it's now the fashion for those who lose an election to always cry foul no matter what. If there was electoral fraud, then all the expert armchair political experts should stop talking about what they KNOW, and conclusively PROVE it instead. As the outside media just reports Trump as grasping at ever fewer and fewer straws.

But if that good for nothing demonrat Biden is authorised to get a set of house keys and move in, then Trump and his supporters will simply have to accept they didn't do/fund enough to prove fraud. They will then also have to meekly abide by the law of the land, and accept it with the hope of having better luck next time. It's either that, or they can put their money where their mouths are and take up arms against the system and the government. I'll keep an eye out for the headlines. Btw, as I'm told by all and sundry that the media is wrong - can you confirm or deny that a Trump's backer now wants the money he invested back from him?
Further to my earlier post and my belief that the election could well be seen as good news for Republicans generally, the following is from an op-ed piece in today’s New York Times:

Across the country, suburban voters’ disgust with Mr. Trump — the key to Mr. Biden’s election — did not translate into a wide rebuke of other Republicans, as Democrats had expected after the party made significant gains in suburban areas in the 2018 midterm elections. From the top of the party down to the state level, Democratic officials are awakening to the reality that voters may have delivered a one-time verdict on Mr. Trump that does not equal ongoing support for center-left policies.
“There’s a significant difference between a referendum on a clown show, which is what we had at the top of the ticket, and embracing the values of the Democratic ticket,” said Nichole Remmert, Ms. Skopov’s campaign manager. “People bought into Joe Biden to stop the insanity in the White House. They did not suddenly become Democrats.


I’d suggest there is the potential for enormous Republican gains if they move on from the last election and focus instead on their policies and Biden’s - which will appear increasingly untenable, not only with the American people more generally but with his own party and the dynamics at play there. The election is over, and policies are more important than any individual.

The tensions in the current Democratic Party will spill out sooner rather than later (in fact, it’s already happening - see the views regarding cabinet nominees), and will likely fracture that party.
And that's been precisely my point all along: Trump lost because people were fed up with him, per se, not the policies.
 

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Most of your recent assertions in regard to election fraud the last few replies are so delusional they are not worthy of argument. In regard to this last comment, I would only point out that the "law of the land" should first apply to the laws that were broken to acquire said office in the first place.

As far as another civil war is concerned, it has already existed as a cold war which began shortly after Obama's first term in office. Obama's systematic alienation of the "real Americans" that you insultingly refer to as a dog whistle term for "racists", collectively began to grow increasingly sick and tired of a multitude of new ideologies all based in fake narratives and identity politics. We were introduced to the new ideology that told us we should be ashamed of our American exceptionalism, and repent for the crimes of previous generations. We were told that God is offensive, our entire political and economic systems were inherently racist, and abortion is not murder provided that the mother deems it so. For the next 8 years, Americans were told that we must accept these new narratives or pay the price by being publically ostracized.

However, what Obama and yourself apparently failed to account is that "Real Americans" come in all ethnicities and colors in case you hadn't noticed..? We are hard-working, mostly blue collar folks who are tired of being labeled racist for having populist views such as pride for our country which was founded upon Judeo-Christian values, respect for those who sacrificed for our freedoms, and most importantly, a reverence for the US Constitution "AS WRITTEN"...! Trump was the ONLY candidate who tapped into that concept and had the balls to run a political platform on it... That's how he defied the odds and destroyed a field of 17 establishment republicans to win the presidency despite a multitude of personal and character flaws that would have sunk any other candidate right out of the gate...

I believe we have reached that point of civil war when middle-aged couples from the suburbs have no choice but to stand armed on their front lawn to keep their home from being burned down, and then subsequently get arrested for doing do... I truly believe that there are more than enough angry "real Americans" who would fight an actual civil war. The problem with that is that unlike our previous civil war, we had political leaders capable of organizing and funding a rebellion. However, those types of leaders are non-existent today as evident of the indifference if not outright cowering we have already seen demonstrated by so many republican politicians in the course of this past year. Instead of outright war, it is highly more likely that we will increasingly see more civil disturbance taken to new and more violent levels than ever before. It is not unrealistic to expect to see various small, independent militias forming on local levels to defend their own homes, businesses, and property assuming the Biden Administration is going to continue the practice of encouraging, condoning, or turning a blind eye toward the violence from the anarchists. But who really knows? I wouldn't rule out anything at this point especially if the new Administration continues to cripple this country with national lockdowns and other assorted violations of our personal freedoms. When you push people to the point where they have nothing left to lose, anything is on the table.
Yep, another member of the repugnant party. But for all the ranting and raving it's now become the fashion for those who lose an election to bitch and cry foul, no matter what. If there was electoral fraud, then such expert armchair political expert analysts should stop ranting on and on about what they KNOW, and conclusively PROVE it instead: as the 150% wrong and prejudiced outside media just reports Trump as grasping at ever fewer and fewer straws.

But if that good for nothing, bastard, demonrat Biden is authorised to get a set of house keys and move in, then Trump and his supporters will simply have to accept they didn't do/fund enough to prove fraud. They will then also have to meekly abide by the law of the land, and accept it with the hope of having better luck next time. It's either that, or they can put their money where their mouths are and take up arms against the system and the government. If not civil war, then widespread violence and civil unrest that has occurred in the US (as reported by the wholly 150% incorrect and biased media) over recent years.

Btw, as I'm told by all and sundry that all the media is 150% wrong - can you confirm or deny that Frederic Eshelman, a Trump backer, is now suing Trump to get his money back?
 

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If a Civil war is what it takes to save this country from a Tyrannical Democrat party gone Radical ..... I'm all in on that.
Then I'll keep an eye outfor you in the wholly untrustworthy media - those who are obviously not pro-repugnant party - for the headlines.
 

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