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Most of your recent assertions in regard to election fraud the last few replies are so delusional they are not worthy of argument. In regard to this last comment, I would only point out that the "law of the land" should first apply to the laws that were broken to acquire said office in the first place.

As far as another civil war is concerned, it has already existed as a cold war which began shortly after Obama's first term in office. Obama's systematic alienation of the "real Americans" that you insultingly refer to as a dog whistle term for "racists", collectively began to grow increasingly sick and tired of a multitude of new ideologies all based in fake narratives and identity politics. We were introduced to the new ideology that told us we should be ashamed of our American exceptionalism, and repent for the crimes of previous generations. We were told that God is offensive, our entire political and economic systems were inherently racist, and abortion is not murder provided that the mother deems it so. For the next 8 years, Americans were told that we must accept these new narratives or pay the price by being publically ostracized.

However, what Obama and yourself apparently failed to account is that "Real Americans" come in all ethnicities and colors in case you hadn't noticed..? We are hard-working, mostly blue collar folks who are tired of being labeled racist for having populist views such as pride for our country which was founded upon Judeo-Christian values, respect for those who sacrificed for our freedoms, and most importantly, a reverence for the US Constitution "AS WRITTEN"...! Trump was the ONLY candidate who tapped into that concept and had the balls to run a political platform on it... That's how he defied the odds and destroyed a field of 17 establishment republicans to win the presidency despite a multitude of personal and character flaws that would have sunk any other candidate right out of the gate...

I believe we have reached that point of civil war when middle-aged couples from the suburbs have no choice but to stand armed on their front lawn to keep their home from being burned down, and then subsequently get arrested for doing do... I truly believe that there are more than enough angry "real Americans" who would fight an actual civil war. The problem with that is that unlike our previous civil war, we had political leaders capable of organizing and funding a rebellion. However, those types of leaders are non-existent today as evident of the indifference if not outright cowering we have already seen demonstrated by so many republican politicians in the course of this past year. Instead of outright war, it is highly more likely that we will increasingly see more civil disturbance taken to new and more violent levels than ever before. It is not unrealistic to expect to see various small, independent militias forming on local levels to defend their own homes, businesses, and property assuming the Biden Administration is going to continue the practice of encouraging, condoning, or turning a blind eye toward the violence from the anarchists. But who really knows? I wouldn't rule out anything at this point especially if the new Administration continues to cripple this country with national lockdowns and other assorted violations of our personal freedoms. When you push people to the point where they have nothing left to lose, anything is on the table.
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Further to my earlier post and my belief that the election could well be seen as good news for Republicans generally, the following is from an op-ed piece in today’s New York Times:

Across the country, suburban voters’ disgust with Mr. Trump — the key to Mr. Biden’s election — did not translate into a wide rebuke of other Republicans, as Democrats had expected after the party made significant gains in suburban areas in the 2018 midterm elections. From the top of the party down to the state level, Democratic officials are awakening to the reality that voters may have delivered a one-time verdict on Mr. Trump that does not equal ongoing support for center-left policies.
“There’s a significant difference between a referendum on a clown show, which is what we had at the top of the ticket, and embracing the values of the Democratic ticket,” said Nichole Remmert, Ms. Skopov’s campaign manager. “People bought into Joe Biden to stop the insanity in the White House. They did not suddenly become Democrats.


I’d suggest there is the potential for enormous Republican gains if they move on from the last election and focus instead on their policies and Biden’s - which will appear increasingly untenable, not only with the American people more generally but with his own party and the dynamics at play there. The election is over, and policies are more important than any individual.

The tensions in the current Democratic Party will spill out sooner rather than later (in fact, it’s already happening - see the views regarding cabinet nominees), and will likely fracture that party.
 

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Across the country, suburban voters’ disgust with Mr. Trump — the key to Mr. Biden’s election — did not translate into a wide rebuke of other Republicans

Did a candidate who could pull together a gathering of tens of thousands of people on less than a weeks notice actually loose to a candidate who barely campaigned, and when he campaigned could hardly get a gathering larger than his entourage.

Did Biden really receive 10m more votes than Hillary. Is there a reason he didn't feel he had to campaign.

Yes these are rhetorical and not meant as a direct affront to you even though I am quoting your post. (I'm really quoting the Times article. )

When Michigan can drop a tranche of 138,000 and 27,000 votes for Biden with none for Trump.

When Wisconsin can drop a 100,000 tranche for Biden and none for Trump.

When Pennsylvania can drop a 570,000 tranche for Biden and 3,200 for Trump.

The Trump campaign says 7-10m votes were switched. This could be hyperbole and we will probably never know.

The more we learn, the more it seems vast amounts of Biden votes are phantom. At the moment it looks as though the Pennsylvania legislature realizes that too.

It is an uphill battle for Trump, but this election seems far from over at the moment.
 

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It looks like the Pennsylvania State Legislature may make all court decisions for the state moot.

If the PA legislature takes their constitutional duties into their own hands, it may empower the other states where it looks like fraud occurred to do the same.


Senator Doug Mastriano

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There is mounting evidence that the PA presidential election was compromised. If this is the case, under Article II, Section 1.2 of the US Constitution, the state legislature has the sole authority to direct the manner of selecting delegates to the Electoral College. (1)This power was given to the state legislature for the purpose of safeguarding the appointment of our President, specifically contemplating corruption and ensuring that the people are not disenfranchised through a corrupt election process. (2)Therefore, we are introducing a Resolution to exercise our obligation and authority to appoint delegates to the Electoral College. (3)
 

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There is a street in Long Beach, California named "KILLDEE" If the Bidet gets inaugurated and is shortly thereafter removed so that Ms Horrible becomes president, I suspect the spelling of the street will be changed to KILL (D).
 

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On our way to AZ on Monday for the winter, leaving the cold Canadian winter behind. Just wondering when the process gets to SCOTUS. Do all states and their appeals courts have to rule first or can it go as soon as the first state is finished at their level?
 

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Could the Republicans and Democrats ever reconcile, or is it beyond that point?

Most of your recent assertions in regard to election fraud the last few replies are so delusional they are not worthy of argument. In regard to this last comment, I would only point out that the "law of the land" should first apply to the laws that were broken to acquire said office in the first place.

As far as another civil war is concerned, it has already existed as a cold war which began shortly after Obama's first term in office. Obama's systematic alienation of the "real Americans" that you insultingly refer to as a dog whistle term for "racists", collectively began to grow increasingly sick and tired of a multitude of new ideologies all based in fake narratives and identity politics. We were introduced to the new ideology that told us we should be ashamed of our American exceptionalism, and repent for the crimes of previous generations. We were told that God is offensive, our entire political and economic systems were inherently racist, and abortion is not murder provided that the mother deems it so. For the next 8 years, Americans were told that we must accept these new narratives or pay the price by being publically ostracized.

However, what Obama and yourself apparently failed to account is that "Real Americans" come in all ethnicities and colors in case you hadn't noticed..? We are hard-working, mostly blue collar folks who are tired of being labeled racist for having populist views such as pride for our country which was founded upon Judeo-Christian values, respect for those who sacrificed for our freedoms, and most importantly, a reverence for the US Constitution "AS WRITTEN"...! Trump was the ONLY candidate who tapped into that concept and had the balls to run a political platform on it... That's how he defied the odds and destroyed a field of 17 establishment republicans to win the presidency despite a multitude of personal and character flaws that would have sunk any other candidate right out of the gate...

I believe we have reached that point of civil war when middle-aged couples from the suburbs have no choice but to stand armed on their front lawn to keep their home from being burned down, and then subsequently get arrested for doing do... I truly believe that there are more than enough angry "real Americans" who would fight an actual civil war. The problem with that is that unlike our previous civil war, we had political leaders capable of organizing and funding a rebellion. However, those types of leaders are non-existent today as evident of the indifference if not outright cowering we have already seen demonstrated by so many republican politicians in the course of this past year. Instead of outright war, it is highly more likely that we will increasingly see more civil disturbance taken to new and more violent levels than ever before. It is not unrealistic to expect to see various small, independent militias forming on local levels to defend their own homes, businesses, and property assuming the Biden Administration is going to continue the practice of encouraging, condoning, or turning a blind eye toward the violence from the anarchists. But who really knows? I wouldn't rule out anything at this point especially if the new Administration continues to cripple this country with national lockdowns and other assorted violations of our personal freedoms. When you push people to the point where they have nothing left to lose, anything is on the table.
A civil war also likely would, of course, spell the end of a free republic. Intolerance of another set of beliefs - either side - inevitably requires totalitarian measures to suppress them. To date, the power of media, both social and traditional, has been arrayed against what can loosely be called "traditional" American values. Some political leaders have refused to employ the legal means at their disposal to maintain order, and others have exploited that power to suppress individual liberty where citizens attempted to protect themselves or their property.

This is obviously problematic because it creates very real fissures in the body politic that demand some recourse. However, shooting budding socialists or suppressing their political aspirations is as deeply antithetical to our form of government as are the actions of a mob.

The "stolen" election narrative is also a powerful element in undermining confidence in basic institutions. To date, despite the rhetoric on both sides of the aisle, but particularly on the right, their has been insufficient evidence presented in court to overturn any state count. The PA legislature may indeed step in, but that is inherently a political action, not one that proves or disproves sufficient fraud to overturn the election. I would also assume, that democrats in PA will quickly file suits to block such an action.

I personally have no problem conceiving of sufficient numbers of people who generally hate most of what, for instance, ANTIFA represents who would nevertheless vote against Trump in the hopes of turning down the national rhetoric and disfunction. Assuming that is true, harvesting votes by exploiting the clearly flawed mail in system would be enough to pull Biden across the finish line in several key states. In most cases, that activity was not strictly illegal unless the harvester could be proven to have directly or indirectly influenced a particular ballot. A pretty high bar.

We have not seen a true civil war in this country. The last one was a regional conflict - a true war between the states. Two geographically separated and radically different socio-economic systems could no longer co-exist under a single government. They either had to separate or the seceding region had to be forcibly prevented from doing so, and its socio-economic system forcibly changed. I am as proud a Southerner as exists, but I would assume most Americans believe the ending of a slave-based agricultural economy was probably a good thing.

A civil war is different thing entirely. And before too many off us start pounding our chests, I would suggest a bit of reading about the Spanish Civil War. That is the best modern example we have. It is not a pretty historical picture or one I would care to see replicated in this hemisphere.

We can absolutely achieve our goals politically. The down ballot success is encouraging, and we MUST win Georgia. If I hear or read about one more all or nothing Trump supporter encouraging a boycott of the runoff election, I may indeed resort to violence. Only conservatives would think a circular firing squad is the best way to deal with a lost election. If AOC can swallow her bile and support Biden, then conservatives need set aside the latest conspiracy news and flood the polls in support of those two republican senate candidates.

There is a street in Long Beach, California named "KILLDEE" If the Bidet gets inaugurated and is shortly thereafter removed so that Ms Horrible becomes president, I suspect the spelling of the street will be changed to KILL (D).
And that is a stupid comment.
 

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On our way to AZ on Monday for the winter, leaving the cold Canadian winter behind. Just wondering when the process gets to SCOTUS. Do all states and their appeals courts have to rule first or can it go as soon as the first state is finished at their level?

I haven't been paying close attention to AZ since it has fewer electoral votes and it doesn't seem to have near the problems as five other states. AZ has a hearing on the election the 30th. It will be interesting to see what is disclosed there.

I have a feeling SCOTUS will be involved in PA, but there seems to be the possibility that the State Legislatures take control of this election themselves. If the PA domino falls, it makes it much easier for other states to follow.

If Trump gets three legislatures to overturn the vote as being fraudulent then he wins. If he gets three legislatures to not send electors, knocking Biden below 270 EV's, then it goes to the state delegation to vote. Trump has 26 states.

Trump can win without SCOTUS. SCOTUS would prefer this.
 

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A civil war also likely would, of course, spell the end of a free republic. Intolerance of another set of beliefs - either side - inevitably requires totalitarian measures to suppress them. To date, the power of media, both social and traditional, has been arrayed against what can loosely be called "traditional" American values. Some political leaders have refused to employ the legal means at their disposal to maintain order, and others have exploited that power to suppress individual liberty where citizens attempted to protect themselves or their property.

This is obviously problematic because it creates very real fissures in the body politic that demand some recourse. However, shooting budding socialists or suppressing their political aspirations is as deeply antithetical to our form of government as are the actions of a mob.

The "stolen" election narrative is also a powerful element in undermining confidence in basic institutions. To date, despite the rhetoric on both sides of the aisle, but particularly on the right, their has been insufficient evidence presented in court to overturn any state count. The PA legislature may indeed step in, but that is inherently a political action, not one that proves or disproves sufficient fraud to overturn the election. I would also assume, that democrats in PA will quickly file suits to block such an action.

I personally have no problem conceiving of sufficient numbers of people who generally hate most of what, for instance, ANTIFA represents who would nevertheless vote against Trump in the hopes of turning down the national rhetoric and disfunction. Assuming that is true, harvesting votes by exploiting the clearly flawed mail in system would be enough to pull Biden across the finish line in several key states. In most cases, that activity was not strictly illegal unless the harvester could be proven to have directly or indirectly influenced a particular ballot. A pretty high bar.

We have not seen a true civil war in this country. The last one was a regional conflict - a true war between the states. Two geographically separated and radically different socio-economic systems could no longer co-exist under a single government. They either had to separate or the seceding region had to be forcibly prevented from doing so, and its socio-economic system forcibly changed. I am as proud a Southerner as exists, but I would assume most Americans believe the ending of a slave-based agricultural economy was probably a good thing.

A civil war is different thing entirely. And before too many off us start pounding our chests, I would suggest a bit of reading about the Spanish Civil War. That is the best modern example we have. It is not a pretty historical picture or one I would care to see replicated in this hemisphere.

We can absolutely achieve our goals politically. The down ballot success is encouraging, and we MUST win Georgia. If I hear or read about one more all or nothing Trump supporter encouraging a boycott of the runoff election, I may indeed resort to violence. Only conservatives would think a circular firing squad is the best way to deal with a lost election. If AOC can swallow her bile and support Biden, then conservatives need set aside the latest conspiracy news and flood the polls in support of those two republican senate candidates.


And that is a stupid comment.
The PA legislature ruling according to Constitutional grounds is not "political"--it is stopping those who are politically abusing Constitutional process. Bullshit on the mail in fraud. American family values should win the day, morally and politically. In fact some things are beyond anyone's up or down vote of any kind--that's why they are called "inalienable rights" If the system cannot bring itself to arrest Antifa thugs, it should turn a blind eye to rednecks knocking off antifa, which would be the best Christmas gift since the timely death of RBG. To hell with leftists and their sympathizers--including those in my own family.
 

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Does everyone here know that Liberia also has the US Constitution--how have they taken care of it? Want to be Liberia--keep calling bolsheviks brothers.
 

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I haven't been paying close attention to AZ since it has fewer electoral votes and it doesn't seem to have near the problems as five other states. AZ has a hearing on the election the 30th. It will be interesting to see what is disclosed there.

I have a feeling SCOTUS will be involved in PA, but there seems to be the possibility that the State Legislatures take control of this election themselves. If the PA domino falls, it makes it much easier for other states to follow.

If Trump gets three legislatures to overturn the vote as being fraudulent then he wins. If he gets three legislatures to not send electors, knocking Biden below 270 EV's, then it goes to the state delegation to vote. Trump has 26 states.

Trump can win without SCOTUS. SCOTUS would prefer this.
I hope SCOTUS is not chicken-s@#t
 

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Thus spake Captain RedLegs
Wow, how extraordinarily clever. I saw that movie as well. I bet if you really try you can do better than that.
 
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The conclusion I reach is that either we destroy the leftists or they will destroy us. By destroy I mean incarcerate, fire, defund, take away pensions, execute for sedition, and any and every action which roots them out of academia, the deep state, where ever they may be found. I mean make it impossible for them to be revolutionary again. In some cases, deportation/persona non grata. Is this so diff than AOC's "list" etc. And if we don't do it now, while we have health and majority, they will do it to our children and grandchildren, who will have no more future than did north african Christian communities after Islamic conquest. Because I fear for my grand daughter, I must steel my resolve to prevent the vandals from destroying western civilization--using our own rules against us, but never following the rules themselves.
 

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The PA legislature ruling according to Constitutional grounds is not "political"--it is stopping those who are politically abusing Constitutional process. Bullshit on the mail in fraud. American family values should win the day, morally and politically. In fact some things are beyond anyone's up or down vote of any kind--that's why they are called "inalienable rights" If the system cannot bring itself to arrest Antifa thugs, it should turn a blind eye to rednecks knocking off antifa, which would be the best Christmas gift since the timely death of RBG. To hell with leftists and their sympathizers--including those in my own family.
Of course it is a political. A republican legislature is deciding to potentially throw out an election in which the opposition party claims to have prevailed. There may indeed be good reasons to do it, but it is by definition a political action. And you can bet the minority legislative faction will exploit every political and legal means at its disposal to prevent it. We would do the same if roles were reversed.
 

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The conclusion I reach is that either we destroy the leftists or they will destroy us. By destroy I mean incarcerate, fire, defund, take away pensions, execute for sedition, and any and every action which roots them out of academia, the deep state, where ever they may be found. I mean make it impossible for them to be revolutionary again. In some cases, deportation/persona non grata. Is this so diff than AOC's "list" etc. And if we don't do it now, while we have health and majority, they will do it to our children and grandchildren, who will have no more future than did north african Christian communities after Islamic conquest. Because I fear for my grand daughter, I must steel my resolve to prevent the vandals from destroying western civilization--using our own rules against us, but never following the rules themselves.
And yes, "incarcerate, fire, defund, take away pensions, execute for sedition, and any and every action which roots them out of academia, the deep state, where ever they may be found." is rather different than some uninformed junior congresswoman tweeting about making a list.

I agree with you whole heartedly that this creep toward a socialist nirvana governed by a totalitarian form of group think needs to be stopped. But ranting about deporting or executing the opposition is of zero utility. What we do need to do is to politically retake our country. That will be hard, because you and I helped create these two generations of dependent adult children who are demanding "justice" and lots effortless acquired free things. There are lots of them, and people like you and I are becoming fewer everyday.

Our generation bailed them out of their every problem as children and young adults while they were growing up; we financially underwrote their successes and failures; we didn't pay nearly close enough attention to their term papers, reading assignments, etc while they were in school; and we sat by and let both parties turn the country into some sort of giant service industry model where all too few can even find a meaningful career.

It is going to take a lot of real work to fix all that. Trump has kick-started that process. We can now either throw up our hands and daydream about militia armies marching on Portland, or we can roll up our sleeves and fight them politically as hard and as effectively as they have fought us over the last three decades.

We must do the latter, and I am convinced that means focusing today on Georgia. To the President's lasting credit he is headed there next Saturday.
 

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Here is an old article (2015) from Ann Coulter. I am just posting, and not agreeing with Ann's anti-immigration stance. Just point out that, when you have almost 48-49% of the country who are takers and not makers. You have a problem.


Half a century ago, Democrats looked at the country and realized they were never going to convince Americans to agree with them. But they noticed that people in most other countries of the world already agreed with them. The solution was obvious.

So in 1965—50 years ago this week—Sen. Ted Kennedy passed an immigration law that has brought 59 million foreigners to our shores, who happen to vote 8-2 for the Democrats.

Democrats haven't won any arguments; they changed the voters. If anything, the Democrats have stopped bothering to appeal to Americans. The new feminized Democratic Party says, That's too bad about those steelworkers in Ohio losing their jobs, but THERE'S A WOMAN AT A LAW FIRM IN NEW YORK CITY WHO DESERVES TO MAKE PARTNER!

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Republicans should be sweeping the country, but they aren't, because of Kennedy's immigration law.Without post-1965 immigrants bloc-voting for the Democrats, Obama never would have been elected president, and Romney would have won a bigger landslide against him in 2012 than Reagan did against Carter in 1980.

This isn't a guess; it's a provable fact. Obama beat Romney by less than 5 million votes in a presidential election in which about 125 million votes were cast. More than 30 million of Obama's votes came from people who arrived under Teddy Kennedy's immigration law; fewer than 10 million of Romney's did.

The 1965 act brought in the poorest of the poor from around the globe. Non-English-speaking peasants from wildly backward cultures could be counted on to be dependent on government assistance for generations to come.

Kennedy and other Democrats swore up and down that the new immigration law would not change the country's demographics, but post-1965-act immigrants are nothing like the people who already lived here.

As Pew Research cheerfully reports, previous immigrants were "almost entirely" European. But since Kennedy's immigration act, a majority of immigrants have been from Latin America. One-quarter are from Asia. Only 12 percent of post-1965-act immigrants have been from Europe—and they're probably Muslims.

Apparently, the "American experiment" is actually some kind of sociological trial in which we see if people who have no history of Western government can run a constitutional republic.

As of 1970, there were only 9 million Hispanics in the entire country, according to the Pew Research Center. Today, there are well more than 60 million.

We've already taken in one-quarter of the entire population of Mexico, most of whom seem to live in Los Angeles. For the last decade, nearly half of all felons sent to California's prisons have been Hispanic, according to the Department of Corrections.

In 1970, there were only a few thousand Haitians in America. Today, there are nearly a million. Miami beaches and New York parks are suddenly littered with goat heads from Haitian voodoo rituals.

In 1970, there were virtually no Somalis in the United States. In the past 25 years alone, we've brought in more than 80,000 Somali refugees—and more than half of those since 9/11. Recent headlines out of Minnesota: "Minnesota ISIS terror suspect pleads guilty to conspiracy," "February trial date set for Minnesota ISIS terror suspects," "The Twin Cities have an ISIS problem."

(Possible new GOP slogan: "We'll cut your taxes, as long as these voodoo priests and refugees approve it.")

In 1960, there were about 200,000 Muslims in the U.S., according to a study in the International Journal of Environmental Science and Development. [PDF] Today, the U.S. census estimates that there are more than 6 million Muslims here. Muslims are expected to surpass Jews as the second-largest religion in America in about two decades.

No country has ever simply turned itself into another country like this.

With the media cheering the end of America and businessmen determined to keep importing cheap labor, Democrats don't even bother hiding what they're doing.

Democratic political strategists Ruy Teixeira and John Judis have been gloating for 20 years about how post-1965 immigration would soon produce a country where Republicans could not win an election, anywhere. Then Democrats could do whatever they want. They called the new emerging majority "George McGovern's Revenge."

In today's America, George McGovern would be a moderate Democrat; Jimmy Carter would be a two-term president; and we'd be holding primary debates at the Walter Mondale Presidential Museum and Library.

Any GOP candidate for president who wants to increase immigration—i.e., all of them except Trump—ought to be required to first pass this simple test: Be successfully elected governor of California on a platform of tax cuts and social conservatism.

The Democrats got the voters—and the country got 9/11, Fort Hood, the Boston Marathon bombing, clitorectomies, an explosion of gang rapes, child rapes, sex tourism, slavery, voodoo, Russell Brand, billions of taxpayer dollars stolen in Medicare and Medicaid scams, an epidemic of heroin deaths, soccer, bankrupt school districts and hospitals, overcrowded prisons, and endless tax hikes to pay for all the immigrant services, as small town after small town goes all-Mexican, or all-Somali or all-Hmong.

The people coming in aren't the ones exulting about "the browning of America." It's smug liberals who want America to be humbled and destroyed. The cultural left is overjoyed at the remaking of our society into one that is poorer, browner and less free.

These changes are entirely the result of government policies that were never debated, much less put to a vote. Americans have not been consulted on the question of whether to turn our country into some other country. Never mind what we're doing. You'll thank us later.

I know it's gauche to consider what Americans want, but how about the immigrants? Presumably some didn't come only for the welfare, crime and terrorism opportunities. They decided to move to the United States—not Mexico or Somalia or China—because they wanted to live in America. If our current immigration policies aren't stopped, they're going to wonder why they bothered.

Ann Coulter is the legal correspondent for Human Events and writes a popular syndicated column for Universal Press Syndicate. She is the author of TEN New York Times bestsellers—collect them here.

Her book,
¡Adios America! The Left’s Plan To Turn Our Country Into A Third World Hell Hole, was released on June 1, 2015.
 
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The "stolen" election narrative is also a powerful element in undermining confidence in basic institutions. To date, despite the rhetoric on both sides of the aisle, but particularly on the right, their has been insufficient evidence presented in court to overturn any state count. The PA legislature may indeed step in, but that is inherently a political action, not one that proves or disproves sufficient fraud to overturn the election. I would also assume, that democrats in PA will quickly file suits to block such an action.
It goes without saying, I have always respected and admired your thoughtful and measured responses to all of these discussions. With that being said, I completely disagree in regard to calling the evidence of improprieties and fraud being presented so far as anecdotal. I can only speculate as to what these lower courts deem as "sufficient" in terms of sufficient evidence to overturn the election. But, what is not speculation are the hundreds of sworn affidavits from witnesses all across these key swing states alleging every inconceivable impropriety and violation of election protocol know to mankind. Did you not see the cardboard being applied to the windows of the counting rooms all over these dem voting strongholds? Add that to the impossible math of more votes being counted than voters in many swing districts, impossible trends of 100% of missing ballots all going to Biden, and the algorithms showing huge monolithic clusters of Biden votes being cast after polls closing which previously had Trump in double digit leads.

Based on your many years of insightful contributions here, I want to pay you the compliment of having common sense to go along with that intellect. I can't speak for anyone else but when I have seen shit, smelled shit, and commenced to scraping it off of my boots, I don't need to wait for a court to rule in my favor that there is a 100% chance I stepped in shit.

There is no longer a question in the mind of anyone with a lick of common sense that fraud and improprieties took place on a wholesale level in this election. The only question that remains is what we as a country are going to do about it. Maybe nothing more than sit back and watch it happen...
I personally have no problem conceiving of sufficient numbers of people who generally hate most of what, for instance, ANTIFA represents who would nevertheless vote against Trump in the hopes of turning down the national rhetoric and disfunction. Assuming that is true, harvesting votes by exploiting the clearly flawed mail in system would be enough to pull Biden across the finish line in several key states. In most cases, that activity was not strictly illegal unless the harvester could be proven to have directly or indirectly influenced a particular ballot. A pretty high bar.
You would then also be assuming that a 40+year swamp politician with two previous failed runs at the presidency, with obvious dementia, in the midst of a corruption scandal, who never campaigned or had to answer a question of substance on anything, garnered a record-setting 80 million votes because enough of the people in this country thought despite all of the aforementioned, HE was still the best hope for correcting the political dysfunction in this country? To quote Joe himself: "C'mon man!"
We have not seen a true civil war in this country. The last one was a regional conflict - a true war between the states. Two geographically separated and radically different socio-economic systems could no longer co-exist under a single government. They either had to separate or the seceding region had to be forcibly prevented from doing so, and its socio-economic system forcibly changed. I am as proud a Southerner as exists, but I would assume most Americans believe the ending of a slave-based agricultural economy was probably a good thing.
You are correct in pointing out that the make up of our current division is much different than the war between the Union and the Confederacy in which there were clear divisions both geographically and economically between the states. Even in most of the red states of today, the division is immense and the red majority is thin at best. The battles would be fought within the states themselves even down to a community or neighborhood level much like we are seeing now with the civil unrest. With this current scenario, I don't see any path to victory on either side that would lead to reconciliation. One ideology would have to eradicate the other. It is truly a terrible prospect to contemplate and one that I thought I would never see in my lifetime. Regardless of how ominous the possibility of a true civil war sounds, it may already be a forgone conclusion in whatever form it takes. Something has to give...
 

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