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Oh, okay. My bad. Didn't realize that negates everything.

If you're implying that banks are not "business" and/or can't be used in this conversation because it's not your preferred flavor, that's nonsense. In addition, a great deal of bankers become investors and business owners and operators. Banking and investing are part of the business ecosystem no matter what Bernie Sanders or J.D. Vance believe.
Minus your first sentence, I completely agree with the rest of this! I didn't take Scott's comment to mean banks are not part of business and an important one. As are Bankers.

I thought the discussion was around financial education vs liberal arts.
 
Interesting that so many ballistic missiles got through

I initially thought that Israel was rubbing their nose in it by demonstrating that 300 Iranian missiles couldn’t get through but one Israeli missile can be planted where ever they like

A strong message if true

Serves to keep international support in place and yet delivers a clear message to the Mullahs

I anticipate(d) that such an (Israeli) minimalistic response would/will exact a technological and political price from the West
 
Joe;
Thanks again for these updates. Hope to hear more as to information becomes available.

Question on that last sentence; Do you believe those Mullahs actually look at that math? Many people prescribe to the notion that the current leadership in Iran has the core belief that the World must end in fire..... in other words they would potentially be very dangerous adversaries with nuclear weapons as the whole concept of deterent may have little to no meaning to them.

So do a lot of evangelists. :E Angel:

I preface this by saying that I spent most of my professional life focused on the Islamic world. Though not a Farsi speaker, I am an Arab linguist, and the Iran Arab conflict/relationship has figured into my work one way or another from the early eighties. I also had some good instruction at the Walsh School and FSI. None of which means I know what I am talking about, but I think I do know as much as most.

Iran actually has the ability to be more pragmatic than much of the rest of the Middle East. I am over simplifying, but the Sunni view of the Koran is similar to what many conservative Christians believe about the Bible. Both accept that their book represents a literal truth. For instance, the Wahabi strict interpretation of the Koran has been a major impediment to Saudi Arabia's development as a more liberal society.

The Shia on the other hand, and this is also a broad generalization, believe that the Koran can and should be interpreted. God's direct words spoken through the prophet have had and will have different interpretations through history. Those clerics with the knowledge and spiritual legitimacy to do this are called Ayatollahs in the Iranian model. We could think of them perhaps as similar to the Prince Bishops of the Middle ages.

Since the revolution, they obviously have taken a very conservative, even reactionary, position on most cultural issues. However, that conservative outlook has not been directed toward science or engineering. They have the ability to be as pragmatic as any hard-eyed technocrat in the West. The true believers in the Revolutionary Guard are an arrow in their quiver, but only one of many levers of power available to them.

So yes, I am confident that Iran is assessing the relative potential for damage very closely.
 
…The vast majority of Democrats, myself included, do see elements in the Republican Party today that are unrecognizable from the Republican Party 10 years ago, let alone the party of Reagan. We do not want those elements to become the Republican Party.
I think there are a significant amount of Republicans that feel the same way.

That being said, the Democrats also have shifted considerably. They are not the party of Clinton let alone JFK.
 

What a novel realization. When a party has a single house and only holds it by a razor thin majority, the only way it can accomplish anything is through compromise with the other party. We have nothing in the way of a border security bill because the Freedom (from responsibility) Caucus couldn't get that fundamental truth through their collective skulls. I applaud the Speaker's courage to FINALLY do the right thing.
 
I cannot relate to, or understand the Freedom Caucus. They appear willing to do absolutely nothing as opposed to making some progress in collaboration with more moderate democrats. The net effect, if they get their way, is damaging to our national interests. Apparently fairly basic math is lost on them.
 
It would appear that the Israeli strike was a message in the way the Iranian attack was as well. It will be interesting to see what lessons each state takes from the experience.

After several days of analysis, I suspect Israel is taking a cautionary hard look at its missile defense systems. With extensive support of the US and lesser support of the UK and Jordan, the air breather threat, drones and cruise missiles, were successfully taken down. However, apparently as many as a half dozen of the ballistic missiles struck their target(s), which were military installations. There apparently was no significant damage to these sites, but had any one of those missiles been carrying a nuclear warhead, this would be a very different discussion this morning. Israel's size alone precludes it absorbing any sort of nuclear attack.

There is still little detail yet with regard to the Israeli attack, other than it was very restrained and did not hit any key economic infrastructure. Within Iran, the key target seems to have been a military base near Isfahan. Setting aside the nature of the target itself and whatever damage may have been caused, the strike would make it clear to the Iranian regime that Israel can hit targets as deep inside Iran as they desire. Moreover none of the targets seem to have been struck by aircraft overflying Iran. That would indicate either cruise missiles or ballistic missiles or both. Open source material indicates that Israel has as many as eighty nuclear weapons. The Mullahs also have some math to work through.
It appears the Israeli message to Iran. Wasn’t so much the display of raw power. As much as where they launched from. They were attacked from inside Iranian borders.

I’m not sure Iran or Israel will brag about that vulnerability. Both have incentives to not publicize the issue.
 
It appears the Israeli message to Iran. Wasn’t so much the display of raw power. As much as where they launched from. They were attacked from inside Iranian borders.

I’m not sure Iran or Israel will brag about that vulnerability. Both have incentives to not publicize the issue.
I am not sure we yet know the full means of the attack. Were that the only one, I frankly think it would signal weakness far more than strength - particularly with respect to retaliatory capabilities.
 
Saul, In my opinion the minorities in this country can thank Liberal policies for being segregated and held back from achieving levels that poor white peoples did.

the New deal and LBJ ruined the black nuclear family with their misguided policies.


Excerpt, and the heart of the matter. from the article below.

“Instead, by incentivizing government funding of single mothers who did not marry the fathers of their children, and by expanding the panoply of welfare state programs to Americans who were already experiencing serious stress and hardship, a series of significant problems became an unstoppable conflagration often referred to as a tangle of pathologies.

Millions of Americans were soon engulfed in permanent chaos and dysfunction. Major metropolitan areas were comprised of block upon block of victimized children, broken families, and shattered lives.

A plague of fatherlessness ensued, leading to nearly 72 percent of all American black children being born without married parents by 2015. Marriage had become a rare and distant thing.

Did it have to be this way? When Johnson came to office in late 1963, more than 90 percent of all American babies had married parents. The 1960 census showed that nearly 9 of every 10 children from birth to 18 years of age lived with two married parents.

In fact, between 1940 and 1965, illegitimately had grown from 4 percent to 8 percent, but in the 25 years that would follow, those numbers would dramatically jump to nearly 30 percent by 1990.

Today more than 40 percent of all Americans are born to unmarried mothers. More than 3 of every 10 children live in some arrangement other than a two parent home. Cohabitation continues to climb, and has become the acceptable norm for millions of Americans. The most recent Census Bureau report says barely half of all American children are living with both married biological parents.

Marriage rejection rooted in the 1960s has real ramifications: never-married adults who are 34 years old or younger is now 46 percent of that demographic.

The Great Society produced a miserable society in some of America’s most difficult neighborhoods while the nuclear family became entangled by a federal government too often engineered by unaccountable, distant bureaucrats. Unparalleled family breakdown in America’s toughest neighborhoods is, in part, the sad result of Lyndon Johnson’s miscalculations and unworkable solutions.”


As with everything, it is certainly a multifaceted issue and I am reticent to assign any one cause, nor do I discount your analysis as being a contributing factor. However, I think it assumes a degree of helplessness or lack of accountability on the part of some minority communities.

I would be more inclined to center my criticism on what I perceive to be a shifting of cultural norms within certain groups that have been detrimental to fostering a strong community or advancing socioeconomically.

Please do not interpret any of that as casting aspersions on any group of people or insinuating that any one group should be treated as a monolith. To be clear, I do not think this is isolated to one demographic, as we are witnessing a similar trend across all groups; however, when you add over a century of violent segregation and subjugation, the effects of such a cultural breakdown become amplified.
Excerpt from the New Deal and democrat Segregation policies

“The Home Owner's Loan Corporation invented 'redlining’, a term which color-coded tracts in metropolitan areas based on how ‘safe’ it was to issue loans to those residents. All-Black neighborhoods were always coded red, as were integrated districts. All-white districts near all-Black districts were coded yellow, and only all-white districts at a remove from African-American communities were green. Eighty years after the institution of redlining, seventy-five percent of redlined districts still struggle economically. Redlined neighborhoods even feel more adverse effects from COVID-19, according to reports.

The segregation enforced by the FHA and the HOLC has led to generations of inequality. The New Deal programs lifted millions of white Americans from poverty and made it possible for them to build property wealth to pass on to future generations. In addition to being excluded from being able to buy suburban homes, Black Americans also had to deal with a host of other issues like predatory lending, lower wages, less career mobility, and higher rents. Black Americans stayed behind in the inner-cities where the rents were so high – because they were deemed unsafe tenants – that they often had to double up. Plagued by overcrowding and purposefully fewer government services like sewage and garbage pick-up, these neighborhoods became ghettos.

The upshot, according to Rothstein, has been devastating.

“African-American family incomes are about sixty percent of white incomes. African-American household wealth is only about five percent of white household wealth,” he said. “That enormous disparity is the direct consequence of unconstitutional de jure segregation created by the federal government, and its effects endure to this day because that wealth gap is what creates much of the racial inequality that we have in this country.”

The segregation of the New Deal is still evident around the country today. African-Americans around the country still live in or near poverty because their families were denied the tools to build generational wealth that so many whites benefitted from. We may be more than fifty years past the official end of segregation in America, but the scars are still visible. “
This is all very true and it would be a fundamental error to not recognize the lasting harm that redlining has done to minorities.

A particularly harmful extension of such policy was the creation of low income housing projects and their subsequent ghettoization through forced overcrowding, underfunding, and underpolicing.

We also cannot discount the psychological and sociological impact of denying people personal ownership of their living environment. I read a great study a while back that I will try to find that compared the outcomes of those in the multiunit housing projects with those in single family unit housing projects, and concluded that the sense of ownership that came from living in the single family unit housing fostered a sense of responsibility for that property that carried over into greater greater workforce participation, educational and socioeconomic outcomes, and lower levels of all categories of crime.

That was a long way for me to say that I do not believe government assistance to be inherently harmful to minorities, but even the most well-intentioned programs can be implemented in such a way as to have unintended consequences, and over time these consequences can have a deleterious effect the culture of a community.
 
I am not sure we yet know the full means of the attack. Were that the only one, I frankly think it would signal weakness far more than strength - particularly with respect to retaliatory capabilities.
I agree. Any nuclear damage won’t be discussed
 

What a novel realization. When a party has a single house and only holds it by a razor thin majority, the only way it can accomplish anything is through compromise with the other party. We have nothing in the way of a border security bill because the Freedom (from responsibility) Caucus couldn't get that fundamental truth through their collective skulls. I applaud the Speaker's courage to FINALLY do the right thing.
From that article:

Johnson had intended to bring up a GOP border bill separately this week but it derailed in the Rules Committee on Wednesday amid Republican frustration on his strategy. Instead, GOP leadership announced on Thursday night they will bring the border bill up under suspension on Friday. That will require it to meet a higher two-thirds threshold in order to pass, which it is not expected to meet.

So, they voted against what they wanted, a border security bill, because they did not get what they wanted in regard to Ukraine bill?

Boggles the mind. Another case of going for a 100% and getting nothing. But I am sure they and their supporters will find new memes to post on social media.
 
From that article:



So, they voted against what they wanted, a border security bill, because they did not get what they wanted in regard to Ukraine bill?

Boggles the mind. Another case of going for a 100% and getting nothing. But I am sure they and their supporters will find new memes to post on social media.
Exactly. It is an inexplicably stupid strategy, and their supporters are blindly cheering them. After all, it will show the RINOs, Deep State, and the Socialists because they proudly achieved nothing at all? :rolleyes: Now MTG can pull the trigger to vacate, and the whole conference can descend into chaos and futility - right before an election.
 
Exactly. It is an inexplicably stupid strategy, and their supporters are blindly cheering them. After all, it will show the RINOs, Deep State, and the Socialists because they proudly achieved nothing at all? :rolleyes: Now MTG can pull the trigger to vacate, and the whole conference can descend into chaos and futility - right before an election.
I have been an avowed " cut off your nose to spite your face" kinda guy pretty much all of my life. Can't say its always served me well, but it's made me feel better about myself. That said, in order to take that position, you must have some (or something to) leverage. That's what seems to be missing in our party right now. If it's "my way or the highway" , better have a good pair of walking shoes. :cool:
 
A bit of a long read, and by no means entirely neutral, but I think it does a fair job of giving context to her worldview and how it has translated into her particular brand of politics.

If anyone here is a fan of hers, I would genuinely like to better understand what it is about her that is so appealing.
 
From that article:



So, they voted against what they wanted, a border security bill, because they did not get what they wanted in regard to Ukraine bill?

Boggles the mind. Another case of going for a 100% and getting nothing. But I am sure they and their supporters will find new memes to post on social media.

I can’t understand the mentality at all. It is self destructive to their own proclaimed policy desires, and weakens the party just months ahead of a critical election. It appears that they are so entranced with shouting into their echo chamber that they have completely lost their grip on reality.
 
It gets worse:

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We really should stop electing people with room temperature IQ to Congress (both sides of the aisle). She is an embarrassment.

I guess her degree in Business Administration is serving her well. :unsure: :ROFLMAO:
 
A bit of a long read, and by no means entirely neutral, but I think it does a fair job of giving context to her worldview and how it has translated into her particular brand of politics.

If anyone here is a fan of hers, I would genuinely like to better understand what it is about her that is so appealing.
I am neither for nor against MTG, but it is clear that she is some sort of a reaction to the loonies like Omar on the Democrat side. The fact that both extremes can have such a disruptive effect upon the bulk view of their respective parties lends air to the discussion a few pages back where it was suggested that split-off of the radicals into separate parties may be the best solution all around.
 
Politics, management, and often leadership require compromise, much like a successful marriage. As young Marines or other servicemen we viewed the commander’s decisions as foolish, timid, reckless, or just plain stupid. Then all of a sudden a decade or two has passed and we now must manage or lead by making decisions that would not favor everyone.

We discovered there are two or more sides to every issue. What do to? Dig in our heals and say all or nothing! Give me liberty or give me death! Maybe that’s it, Marjorie Taylor Greene and the Republican version of the “Squad” think they are Nathan Hale!

Now folks, don’t get me wrong. I love to watch MTG tear up Nancy Pelosi and others but MTG and the Freedom Caucus obviously never Sun Tzu. The best victories are from battles never fought. Or, they fight and may sometimes win individual battles but fail to see that they will lose the war.

Winston Churchill said, “The only thing harder than fighting with allies is fighting without them.” The Freedom Caucus doesn’t seem to make many allies.

This November, I will hate having to vote for the lesser of evils but being in a battleground state, I would rather sell my soul for four more years of that narcissistic spoiled man-child Trump than have Sleepy Joe send our country deeper into the trash heap of history. We all have to make compromises, even though this one will be like trying to swallow rocks.

The above stated, I like RFK Jr, even if he is a bit whacky!

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