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Want to make YETI pay a price, write to BassPro/Cabelas and Academy requesting them to drop YETI. Then they can sell all their product thru REI their new target market.
 

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Do you foresee any of the other amendments in the Bill of Rights no longer being relevant due to who drafted them, specific language used, or the time in which they were created?

It is not a question of relevance but one of interpretation.
 

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Listen, we can kick and scream and think whatever we want but if we don’t begin getting real regarding the situation, what has become of the NRA (and yes, this remains on topic) and society in general (its extreme distaste for), we’re going to be left at the curb wondering what the hell went wrong. Believe me, YETI did not make its decision flippantly. Believe me, YETI did their research. Turn a blind eye if you wish, bury your head in the sand if you want, but it’s only going to make matters worse in the long run.
 

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It is not a question of relevance but one of interpretation.

Thanks for responding:) Our points of view are probably better discussed on a trout stream. We would be more likely to find common ground. At least we could struggle together in finding the right the fly combination.(y)
 

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. . . . Believe me, YETI did their research. . . .

I highly doubt that. Not Yeti's first run in with the 2nd Amendment and gun owners. It's just a different mind set in Austin, it's NYC, LA, Seattle, Portland and San Francisco all rolled up into one . It was bad back in the 80's when I was there, it's completely unrecognizable now.
 

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Midway sales flyer just arrived in todays mail and it contains an ad for Yeti coolers.
I tossed it out.
 

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Listen, we can kick and scream and think whatever we want but if we don’t begin getting real regarding the situation, what has become of the NRA (and yes, this remains on topic) and society in general (its extreme distaste for), we’re going to be left at the curb wondering what the hell went wrong. Believe me, YETI did not make its decision flippantly. Believe me, YETI did their research. Turn a blind eye if you wish, bury your head in the sand if you want, but it’s only going to make matters worse in the long run.

CTDoland I have always had a lot of respect for your posts, but I have no idea what you are talking about in your last couple and the final sentence of this one. What I read is that "we should voluntarily give up on the 2d amendment as an individual right" - In part because you believe it isn't what the founders intended? Thus far, fortunately, the courts and most constitutional scholars think otherwise. Sure a liberal court could change that - just like a truly socialist majority could destroy the economic engine which makes this great national experiment of ours go.

I assume, though I may be wrong, you are suggesting we hunters and gun owners should sit down and reason with our opponents - perhaps offer up black guns or high capacity semi-automatic handguns? With whom exactly will that discussion take place? And who assures us the terms of that agreement will survive more than a week or until the next political campaign?

I think I am as aware as anyone about the current political and social trends. I choose to fight them as long as I am able. I personally believe that is the opposite of burying my head in the sand. I feel that way because in the current polarized environment, I do not believe there is a realistic alternative. Of course, I am guilty of reading of reading A. E. Van Vogt's "The Weapon Shops of Isher" for the first time when I was around 12.

With regard to Yeti, I also have some experience with corporate decisions. They are all too often made in isolation, or with the wrong information, or because of an incomplete or mistaken assessment of trends or motivations - often with disastrous effects on employees and shareholders. In this case, I remain convinced that Yeti was a victim of its owners' post-Parkland corporate culture. Cortec made this call, and I suspect they have ruined what was one of the more brilliant non-tech start-ups of this century. A shame.
 

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Midway sales flyer just arrived in todays mail and it contains an ad for Yeti coolers.
I tossed it out.
You have to realize that those fliers were printed a couple of weeks ago.

The same with the Cabela's flier that I received today
 

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Ct Said "I suspect they have ruined what was one of the more brilliant non-tech start-ups of this century. A shame."

Similar to what the new owners of Photo Bucket did and what the new owners often do when they buy a company that they did not build. I have seen this happen many time over the years - even to a company my partner and I founded. I understand why the founders sell, but when they do, they should try not to look back.
 

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Consider who drafted the Second Amendment (what body), the specific language used, and the time in which it was created and the conclusion is straightforward. I am speaking of being objective here, not of crafting a case to support a preferred viewpoint (it does none of us any good to twist truth to make a point).

Randy Wakeman had a recent Opinion piece time aspect of the 2nd amendment.
http://randywakeman.com/Onthe2ndAmendment.htm
 

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Do you foresee any of the other amendments in the Bill of Rights no longer being relevant due to who drafted them, specific language used, or the time in which they were created?
The first amendment...not sure our founding fathers were able to forsee video...or the Internet...or campaign contributions treated as speech.
 

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Thanks for responding:) Our points of view are probably better discussed on a trout stream. We would be more likely to find common ground. At least we could struggle together in finding the right the fly combination.(y)

Which in and of itself may make lose his religion.
 

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CTDoland I have always had a lot of respect for your posts, but I have no idea what you are talking about in your last couple and the final sentence of this one. What I read is that "we should voluntarily give up on the 2d amendment as an individual right" - In part because you believe it isn't what the founders intended? Thus far, fortunately, the courts and most constitutional scholars think otherwise. Sure a liberal court could change that - just like a truly socialist majority could destroy the economic engine which makes this great national experiment of ours go.

I assume, though I may be wrong, you are suggesting we hunters and gun owners should sit down and reason with our opponents - perhaps offer up black guns or high capacity semi-automatic handguns? With whom exactly will that discussion take place? And who assures us the terms of that agreement will survive more than a week or until the next political campaign?

I think I am as aware as anyone about the current political and social trends. I choose to fight them as long as I am able. I personally believe that is the opposite of burying my head in the sand. I feel that way because in the current polarized environment, I do not believe there is a realistic alternative. Of course, I am guilty of reading of reading A. E. Van Vogt's "The Weapon Shops of Isher" for the first time when I was around 12.

With regard to Yeti, I also have some experience with corporate decisions. They are all too often made in isolation, or with the wrong information, or because of an incomplete or mistaken assessment of trends or motivations - often with disastrous effects on employees and shareholders. In this case, I remain convinced that Yeti was a victim of its owners' post-Parkland corporate culture. Cortec made this call, and I suspect they have ruined what was one of the more brilliant non-tech start-ups of this century. A shame.

I’d drafted (and posted) a response however, upon further consideration, have retracted the same.

My concern? A blind (read that, “hopeful”) eye will prove our undoing. The solution? I do not know.
 

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i just sent yeti a note that i won't be buying their stuff anymore, since i am a member of the organization that the are cutting ties with, it felt a bit...personal.
 

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I emailed Cabelas, Bass Pro and Midway USA and politely asked them to stop carrying the Yeti brand.
 

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I have encountered gun owners who believed in gun ownership for self defense but were anti hunting so your feelings on black rifles do go both ways. The wood and steel gun owners can offer up the black rifles as a sacrifice to the Brady Campaign but when PETA and HSUS come asking to ban all "trophy" hunting, do you think the majority of the black rifle owners who were thrown under the bus will care?

This has happened quite a bit in California. We had groups that helped get our "safe handgun" roster passed in exchange for a single action exemption. We've had police unions support more gun control for exemptions (and now after some high profile police shootings, there are some efforts to disarm the police). When the latest restrictions on lead ammunition for hunting or using dogs for bear and bobcat came along, we had people on our CA gun forums saying that it wasn't a 2A issue or that they didn't care as they didn't hunt.

My point is that we are all in this together and pursuing our own individual interests is not working and will not work long term. The people who oppose private gun ownership are fixated on the AR-15 right now but when those are banned they will not go away thinking their work is done, they will wait until the next tragedy and find another aspect of gun ownership to push. The same goes for hunting as PETA doesn't just oppose long range "sniper" hunting (which has come up here before), or hunting over bait, or trophy hunting. PETA opposes all hunting and when they get the low hanging fruit banned they will move onto the next thing.

The NRA is the largest gun rights organization in the US. They are also one of the largest hunting advocacy organizations as well. By uniting gun owners of all kinds both politically and financially, they have managed to expand gun rights throughout the nation for the last few decades, including a US Supreme Court ruling that the 2A is a personal right.

I do not believe that we have become more hated in the US. Perhaps more publicly vilified by the media and our political opponents. But that has only galvanized us and increased membership as people have begun to see the true colors of those demanding more gun control. I live in California and I am seeing more NRA bumper stickers than ever.

I am proud to support the NRA and I believe that it is in the best interest of all hunters to do so regardless of any personal antipathy to black rifles or tactical gun culture. If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.
 

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Oh yes, and while I do not own any Yeti products, I will look elsewhere when I decide to purchase a roto molded cooler.

If my coolers cost as much as a mid-price rifle, I'd do my best not to anger hunters.
 

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