458 Win Mag vs 458 Lott

Discussion in '.375 & Up' started by Bernard de Lange, Sep 2, 2014.

  1. CoElkHunter

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    Yep!
     
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    Yes, I was planning on eventually getting a B & C stock for it, so I didn’t care this rifle doesn’t have stock crossbolts? The price was right. This (both my CZs) has an American style stock which seems mated to the action well with room between the rear tang bolt and stock. The front sling swivel stud is missing so I’ve got to do something about that as I’m a sling shooter. I don’t plan on shooting it from the bench. I would like to put a red dot type sight on it for shots up to 100 meters? Yesterday I had a 5” five shot group at 50 yards with the express sights.
     

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    Mine looks exactly the same. For some reason, 20200326_095142.jpg I thought the WIN. MAG. was crossed out. They say memory is the second thing to go!
     
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    Maybe the one I have originally came from the factory already rechambered too, unless all the CZ Lotts are stamped this way?
     

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    I have a Ruger No. 1. I have no feeding issues. It's just a big gun that's not a repeater.
     
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    The moot point is that I got the gun in Lott because I can shoot the two shell lengths. The varying levels of power are just fine by me. I don't know the difference between fifty grains and 800 fps except that I don't have to settle as I can use both rounds.
     
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    Great information!
     

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    That is the same stamping as on my CZ also.
    I bought it used and do not know the history of its original purchase.

     
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    Agreed.
    I have heard many good reports of 400g bullets in the .458WM, but the current "standard" is a 450gr bullet.
    Depending on bullet /powder/rifle combination you can get around 2300fps with a 450gr banded monometal bullet. These loads perform well on buffalo, and they are also used for elephant, with success.
    A 500gr bullet launched at the same velocity will penetrate better due to increased momentum, but whether that will make any difference in the field would depend on circumstances. Personally, I think the only time it would potentially make a difference is on elephant or on departing big game (as PH's are sometime forced to shoot).
    Professionals hunters and others involved in elephant hunting/ culling operations tend to prefer more powerful cartridges which operate at lower pressures (eg.450Rigby). Those are a step up from the lott and so better for raking shots, etc. The lower operating pressure also makes them safer. However this is only a relevant consideration in hot, environments.
    The nice thing about the 458WM is that it fits int a standard length action.
    If you have one built on a magnum length action (like the CZ) then might just as well have it reamed to Lott/Watts as you only stand to gain - provided of course it is done properly.
     
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    Hi Daga Boy.

    I've owned 2 magnum length CZ's in .458WM and I kept them both as is...

    This was for 2 reasons:

    1. I absolutely LOATH the Lott round
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    2. I simply loaded the .458WM to the maximum length the magazine allowed. I was getting an easy 2220fps with the 500gn Woodleigh PP loaded like this.
    I never tried for more velocity as I was pretty content with that load.

    I must say one thing. When I say I loath the Lott, I'm in no way saying it's a bad round. Or in-effective. Or a poor choice.
    I'm just saying some cartridges take your fancy and you get a fondness for - and some cartridges you don't. The .458WM is one round that's taken my fancy and the Lott is one round that has not.
    I know there are people that feel the same way about the Lott and dislike the .458WM.
    And that's fine too.
    It's a great thing that we have choices!

    The .458WM is a round that I personally really like (in fact it's my favourite) and a round that I have had a lot of enjoyment and success loading for.
    And when I say success I don't mean to say that with any arrogance. I simply only asked of it what it was originally meant to do, nothing more - and I achieved that.
    All I ever wanted was 215ofps with a 480-500gn projectile and I achieved that comfortably with local ADI powders. With little compression and no excess pressure signs. And worked up in the summertime of Australia.

    The .458WM is the perfect DG rifle... FOR ME!
    With my loads I'm getting performance from it that's been proven effective on all DG and its at the absolute limit of my recoil tolerance.
    I love the old .458WM just like a lot of people love the Lott. Or the .404. Or the .416 Rigby.

    We've all got our favourite... and we're all right!

    Cheers,

    Russ
     
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    Your points are valid. In fact I bought my CZ .458 intending to convert it to Lott, but I haven't done so as i easily get 2150fps with 500g bullets (loaded slightly long) and 2250 -2300fps with 450g banded monometals - which is enough for my application (its essentially a guide/close range gun). Also, my rifle is accurate and feeds perfectly, whereas I know people who have experienced problems with accuracy and feeding post re-chambering. That is no doubt the result of poor smithing, but I would rather not take the chance given that I don't need the extra velocity for my application.
     
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    Beautifully said - and I totally agree!!
     
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    In addition to the magnum action, your WM must have a long throat to allow loading out that far? If not I would think you would run into problems.
     

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    The CZs seem to have a very generous throat length. They accommodate extending the bullets in the .458WM cases well.
     
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    Yes, I really don't know why I bought my latest CZ in .458 Lott, other than I bought it for a very good price and unlike many, I like reloading the straight walled .458 cases up or down in powder charges/bullet weights and it doesn't matter. I do have a large quantity of 500gr. Barnes TSX which will probably be better loading them in the Lott, but I still really like my WM. My misguided and "why?" experimentation with the Lott case will be to neck it down to .416 with my .416 Taylor dies. We'll see what comes of it?
     

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