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Actually, Christians are Jewish by adoption- Christianity is an extension of Judaism.
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Ray B
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To say Islam is a false religion is to say Judaism & Christianity are also false religions SINCE all three believe in One god, the God of Abraham. This is not to say that in each of the religions there has been mis-interpretations - but it is unfounded to claim any of the three as completely false.
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The problem with the universe is that we see things when we look through telescopes, that happened millions or billions of years ago.
Even our neighbor 300 light years away, that is possibly habitable and could be inhabited our view is 300 years old. So let's say we make a decision to go check it out, and we get there and everyone died out 297 years ago, we would have to spend 300 years getting back. We wouldn't know if their star went supernova and killed them all until we got within a few light years of their location.
Space is huge, there is probably some alien species that could have came by 50,000 years ago and said, this place is full of cave men and never came back.
Even our neighbor 300 light years away, that is possibly habitable and could be inhabited our view is 300 years old. So let's say we make a decision to go check it out, and we get there and everyone died out 297 years ago, we would have to spend 300 years getting back. We wouldn't know if their star went supernova and killed them all until we got within a few light years of their location.
Space is huge, there is probably some alien species that could have came by 50,000 years ago and said, this place is full of cave men and never came back.
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We don't actually know that, do we? We might think it, this is the problem with religion and philosophy it is not an absolute.
Requires faith, and faith is well just that.
All religions on Earth corrupt the word of their founders in the name of power and coercion.
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Could have been the other way around. They left the cave men here since they were defective species on their planet. The best way to rid themselves was to drop them off so far away, they'd never be able to return. IIRC, Their landing sites are somewhere in Peru, the Nazca lines. The goat rope continues.
Exactly correct. In fact, when the followers of the surviving three great monotheistic religions (Zoroastrianism was the fourth) aren't busy trying to exterminate the others, Islam actually recognizes Christianity and Judaism as legitimate co-religions worshiping the same God, with the same line of prophets. A major difference, like the Jewish faith, is that Muslims do not recognize Jesus as divine, but do recognize him as the greatest prophet until the arrival of Mohammed. The Arabic descriptive term for this family of believers is أهل الكتاب - People of the Book. It is meant to encompass all believers who include the books of the Abrahamic traditions.
Naturally, throughout history, that broad consensus over the nature of God has been long subverted, and typically bloodily, by relatively minor differences as all sides cling to specific forms of worship and embrace man ordained dogma to justify a "heretical" enemy. Hence the certainty Islam is a "false" religion. Indeed, as we have seen in this discussion the term "heresy" is used to liberally attack fellow Christians as well. Nothing new I hasten to add as one looks at the results of the 30-years' War or the brutality of the Spanish Inquisition. Toss into that virulent stew cultural differences, which have absolutely nothing to do with religion, and things become ever more toxic.
That already lethal intolerance has been exacerbated by the rise of fundamentalism over the last 100 years, particularly within Islam - much of that a reaction to the failures of Middle Eastern Governments trying to manage unstable national entities formed by the 1916 Sykes–Picot Agreement. Those successive failures led to ever deeper reliance on faith by non-elites, often militantly anti-Jew and Christian as a compensating political as well as religious movement.
In the West fundamentalism has not gained nearly that sort of momentum thanks to the Enlightenment which embraced knowledge and scientific inquiry as fully compatible with religious, almost exclusively Christian, belief. Truly fundamentalist sects or congregations in the West have, as a percentage of population, relatively few followers and to date, little staying power. The rejection of knowledge in the name of faith does not translate well between generations as children, through education, are exposed to a broader understanding of the nature of the universe, history, other cultures, and philosophy.
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If we’re going to into tinfoil hat territory my “theory” is the aliens actually dropped of cats some where out there in the cosmos is a species that laughs at us as a species for putting up with their furry purring rats.
On a more serious note though still in tinfoil territory if there was intelligent life out there with the ability to visit earth don’t you think they’d just turn the head lights off and idle but the planet full of hairless apes who continually strive to find new and better ways to kill one another?
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They get saluted regardless of their rank.
Their insignia says their branch, their rank only relates to how much they get paid.
To 2 most powerful professions in the military regardless of branch of service: Medical (M.D. types) Doctors and Chaplins. And not always in that order.
The lowest (O-1) 2nd Lieutenants in these 2 branches out rank the most senior of 4 star generals.
FYI: the 3rd most powerful profession MOS (enlisted)/Branch (officer) is mechanical maintenance enlisted personnel and officers: ie aviation, wheeled and track vehicle mechanics, etc.
Sigh. I have no idea what you think you are trying to say.
First of all, I have questioned no one's sincerity of belief - however divergent they may be from reality. I also have been very clear in my statements that I believe in a creator and a creation event that our best evidence suggests began at least 14 billion years ago - at least for this universe and this time around. What I have questioned is the absolute nonsense that the earth was created 6 thousand years ago.
I also have no idea what you think you are proving by your creation cites. I AGREE. As I said. I believe there was a creation event by a creator. But no one you have quoted or the hundreds who have attempted to translate those cultural foundation stories had a clue of the time required or the incredible vastness of that creation. We know far more now, and none of that knowledge should conflict with a belief that intelligent design created this vast universe over those billions of years. In fact it should reinforce that belief.
And no, fossils in a riverbed are not evidence of a catastrophic event. Spend an hour on google and look into this yourself. On my property, those fossils are from an ancient seabed that existed where Texas does now during the Cretaceous period 100 million years ago. They are freed from the limestone in which they are imbedded by erosion. I should note, this is not a theory or my opinion.
Moreover, if you had paid an iota of attention to what I have written, you would know that I do believe that there is actual significant evidence of a catastrophic, planet-wide event that occurred approximately 12-14 thousand years ago - geologic and cultural. It even has a name - the Younger Dryas. What a number of scientists believe, and I think it is a reasonable belief, is the cataclysmic results were so severe that they remained in the cultural memory of numerous developing peoples to be eventually recorded in works like Sumerian epic of Ziusudra, the Mesopotamian epic of Gilgamish, the Hindu legends of Manu, and of course Genesis. All of these legends are referring to something terrible that happened in the dim past.
What I admittedly have little patience with is a self-delusional acceptance in the 21st century of an Elmer Gantry like assertion that the earth was created 6000 years ago. Interestingly, we can point to the individual who came up with this silliness and the point in history when he did it. His name was Archbishop James Usher (an Anglican no less and perish the thought for my fundamentalist friends), who died in 1656. It was he who "calculated" the date by summing genealogical timelines, or "begats," in the Book of Genesis. His pseudo analytical conclusion was that the creation was completed on the night preceding October 23, 4004 BC! If we chooses to think about it, I guess we are left with a question of whether God or the good Bishop Usher promulgated that 6000 years old assertion. My money is on the latter.
Thanks to geologic analysis beginning in the late 18th century, spurred by the burgeoning interest in science of the Enlightenment, it was quickly determined that the earth was far older. Almost as quickly most organized Christian denominations quietly dropped the clearly wrong 6,000 year claim.
I frankly could care less what an individual believes as long as it does not affect my life. Spend 20 minutes on X and you will realize people are capable of believing almost anything.
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Uh no. That is totally wrong. The only servicemen who are saluted regardless of rank are medal of honor winners. Doctors and Chaplains are not the two most powerful "professions" in the military. They are rendered military courtesies according to their rank not their branch. In the military in which I served for three decades there was never a doctor or chaplain assigned or attached to one of my, or one of my colleagues commands, who had the slightest doubt about the chain of command and their subordinate role in it.
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Huhh??
The "most powerful" MOS??? A little like claiming one part of a gasoline engine is the most important part. The piston can claim that it converts chemical energy to kinetic but the connecting rod claims it's more important because it ....
After coming back into the FSB after a week or two in the bush I considered the cooks to be the most important, only superseded by the corpsmen who treated my ills. But then there were the armorers that kept our rifles firing-- so the list goes on. the team needs all of its parts to be successful.
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God is Great. I know him, and I know this to be true. All the rest doesn't really matter after that. Quit your arguing. Love The Father, and prosper. I'm no graduate in theology, but I can walk away from this thread knowing that I gave you the truth to do with what you will.
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On this thread many times people have stated there is zero evidence for UAPs / UFOs or alien sentient life.
I've previously cited high ranking military officials, expert testimony to congress, and videos provided by the US military along with eyewitness testimony from naval pilots.
None of this was sufficient.
This week several well known pastors have confirmed US Intelligence called them to a meeting asking for them to prepare to address crisis of faith that will come from a pending disclosure of UAP/UFO files.
Religious leaders told 'prepare now' for Bible-changing UFO disclosure
Influential Christian leaders have claimed they were part of a shocking meeting with the US government as the world prepares to see the UFO files President Trump promised to release.www.dailymail.com
I will leave creation / evolution philosophy approach for the moment, and will go back to first post.
Under condition that US goverment will release information held for decades about UAP/UFO, some question come to my mind.
- Why in such discussions we always jump to conclusion that it is only the US goverment that holds some secrets of this kind?
If not, then what the other governments know, and how comes it never leaked? If US intelligence security is impenetrable, we cannot say the same for every other country, everywhere else in the world.
Something should have leaked eventually in last 70 years, since Roswell incident which started wide public interest on this thing.
I mean leaks are common, they feed the news for ages, sometimes they bring down governments. And no leaked evidence on this till now? Hmmmm
- Are the governments the only "entity" in our world?
No, they are not.
There are NGOs, UFO enthusiasts, individuals.
So, how come no organization and no individual has ever gotten to some evidence on UFO / UAP, etc?
But only US govt?
Yes, internet and literature is full of such murky evidences, but none has been officially proven as valid.
Even the congress hearings with reputable witnesses provided no publicly available evidence, although the claims stated there, were very interesting.
There is no publicly available, verified evidence that conclusively proves extraterrestrial life or alien spacecraft have visited Earth.
What does exist in public knowledge is a mix of: unexplained sightings, military sensor recordings,
witness testimony, declassified government investigations, and a large amount of speculation, hoaxes, and misidentifications.
This is not proof of extra terrestrial life, or extra terrestrial technology.
About life on earth, science approach:
Earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
Life has changed over time.
Species share common ancestry.
Humans and modern apes share a common ancestor.
Homo sapiens evolved in Africa.
DNA links humans with other life forms.
Transitional fossils exist.
If this is true species sharing a common ancestry, can indicate life on earth started with first molecules, then evolved. But it is not clear what exactly caused the first spark.
The idea became famous after the Miller–Urey experiment. In 1953, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey built an apparatus containing gases thought to resemble early Earth’s atmosphere and passed electric sparks through it to simulate lightning.
They found that amino acids — the building blocks of proteins — formed naturally.
That experiment showed:
Organic molecules can arise from non-living chemistry.
Energy sources like lightning can drive complex reactions.
But it did not create living organisms.
So, generally speaking, we are still nowhere between the two ideas.
So there we are.
And maybe somebody comment on my first part of this post: E.T. life, and E.T. technology, any evidence of such?
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True Medal of Honor recipients are also saluted, but it's the Medal of Honor as much as the soldier who earned it and still alive.
What you are saying is relatively true, but Only in theory.
Doctors, at their discretion, can rate any soldier unfit for duty E-1 to O-9. Providing such illness, injury, condition could/would jeopardize the mission or soldier's current health status.
Chaplins have the right to provide sanctuary to any soldier E-1 to O-9 based on the soldier's religious beliefs.
Regardless of rank, [with exception of a senior Chaplin or Medical Doctor], no other senior officer can override a Chaplin or Medical Doctor.
An E-1 or above in any mechanical role that has the power of the "Red X" at his or her discretion can definitely ruin an officer's day by "dead lining" an aircraft, wheeled or track vehicle.
Having served 26 years in the military I've never met a Chaplin or a Doctor that wasn't an Officer. We saluted them not because of their rank, but because we at some point we were most likely to require one or both of their services. The Chaplins: to be our voices to GOD to get us out of the "situation" we find ourselves in and/or to help ease our path to the other side. The Doctors: to fix our injured bodies.
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I will leave creation / evolution philosophy approach for the moment, and will go back to first post.
Under condition that US goverment will release information held for decades about UAP/UFO, some question come to my mind.
- Why in such discussions we always jump to conclusion that it is only the US goverment that holds some secrets of this kind?
If not, then what the other governments know, and how comes it never leaked? If US intelligence security is impenetrable, we cannot say the same for every other country, everywhere else in the world.
Something should have leaked eventually in last 70 years, since Roswell incident which started wide public interest on this thing.
I mean leaks are common, they feed the news for ages, sometimes they bring down governments. And no leaked evidence on this till now? Hmmmm
- Are the governments the only "entity" in our world?
No, they are not.
There are NGOs, UFO enthusiasts, individuals.
So, how come no organization and no individual has ever gotten to some evidence on UFO / UAP, etc?
But only US govt?
Yes, internet and literature is full of such murky evidences, but none has been officially proven as valid.
Even the congress hearings with reputable witnesses provided no publicly available evidence, although the claims stated there, were very interesting.
There is no publicly available, verified evidence that conclusively proves extraterrestrial life or alien spacecraft have visited Earth.
What does exist in public knowledge is a mix of: unexplained sightings, military sensor recordings,
witness testimony, declassified government investigations, and a large amount of speculation, hoaxes, and misidentifications.
This is not proof of extra terrestrial life, or extra terrestrial technology.
About life on earth, science approach:
Earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
Life has changed over time.
Species share common ancestry.
Humans and modern apes share a common ancestor.
Homo sapiens evolved in Africa.
DNA links humans with other life forms.
Transitional fossils exist.
If this is true species sharing a common ancestry, can indicate life on earth started with first molecules, then evolved. But it is not clear what exactly caused the first spark.
The idea became famous after the Miller–Urey experiment. In 1953, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey built an apparatus containing gases thought to resemble early Earth’s atmosphere and passed electric sparks through it to simulate lightning.
They found that amino acids — the building blocks of proteins — formed naturally.
That experiment showed:
Organic molecules can arise from non-living chemistry.
Energy sources like lightning can drive complex reactions.
But it did not create living organisms.
So, generally speaking, we are still nowhere between the two ideas.
So there we are.
And maybe somebody comment on my first part of this post: E.T. life, and E.T. technology, any evidence of such?
Citizens and military personnel of other countries also claimed to have seen/ encountered UFOs. But were these sightings in other countries real? or manifested to validate American UFO sightings? or propaganda for the times? The "Cold War", Orson Wells' War of the Worlds, the "space race".
It's been a few decades. But IIRC it might have been the later 1950's or maybe somewhere around the mid 1960's. There was a team of "scientists" (don't remember their alphabet credentials) working in I'm going to have generalize this as working in the mid east, I think somewhere in Egypt. They claimed to have discovered evidence of a nuclear explosion dating back several thousands of years before nuclear testing started in WWII.
Similarly, around the time of this article another article was published through some sort of historical documents when a journal was discovered where the writer, one of the earlest to visit the Hawaiian Islands, describes Hawaiians being of great heights: Female Hawaiians were guesstimated to be between 7 to 8 feet plus tall and Male Hawaiians were guesstimated to be 8 to 9 plus feet tall. Later it was written either by the same writer or found in another journal by another late visitor to the Hawaiian Islands describing the soon to be extinct Hawaiians were being decimated by sicknesses brought to the islands by foreigners to the islands.
Darwin and his theory of man{kind} evolution, Darwn admits to "the missing link", that man{kind} is the evolution of apes.
Scientists have discovered (frozen) "cavemen"/early homosapions, relics, and skeletal remains, that dewelled on earth ions before the "Great Flood", and the birth of Jesus.
Scientists have and are making new discoveries of villages/towns, cities of people that went extinct centuries before the rediscovery of today's Americas.
Scientists are still in search of the actual location as to where the "Garden of Eden" is/was according to the Bible.
The Bible,.....Thee BIBLE....is a book of historical events in literature form.....in a "dead language". These historical events in The Bible have been translated, retranslated, re-retranslated, and final there is the King James translation.
There are 2 Testaments of the Christian Bible and 2 "Testaments" of the Koran. Both of these holy books parallel one another. The first of each contains a multitude of war and violence while the second (new version) of each contains teachings of ("restraint"), Peace, love, friendship, honor, obedience, non over indulgence, etc, etc, etc,. Basically the opposite of the first book.
Scientists are somewhat, yet not so vocal, proving the evidence of events written in Thee BIBLE, as having happened.
Time,.... Time,.....
When time began.....When did "time" begin?. How was time measured when time began?.
And on the first day GOD created the Earth.
On the second day, third day, etc, etc, etc. On the 7th day GOD rested.
For (as such as) "modern mankind", time was 2 seasons growing and harvesting. Then 3 seasons: planting growing and harvesting. Then 4 seasons: planting, growing harvesting, and time for the land to rest.
"....fore GOD commanded from the skies above....it was forbidden to see GOD.....GOD was seen as a bright light shown down from the heavens.....for GOD lifted up______into the heavens....." etc, etc,
And ______lived to be 700+, 800+, 900+, 1000+ years old. _____married_____gave birth to _____, _____, ______, etc,etc,etc,etc,. married and gave birth to _______, _______, ______, etc, etc, etc, . Etc, Etc,.
AND GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS LIKENESS.
AND GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS LIKENESS.
What happened to the "caveman/women" were they evolutioned/ assimilated into GOD's image via Cain's eviction from Eden?
Cain was "marked". [How? There is no clear answer.] and banished from Eden to the lands East. Where he took a wife?.
Time?......Time?.....
Man created the hours, the days, the weeks, the months, the years. But What is/was GOD'S time? in creating Earth?
Was/Is GOD an Extraterrestrial Being?
Two Testaments? Is there/Are there more than one GOD?
Atheists scientists believe only in the science that they can see, touch, and prove right or wrong.
Yet faithful scientists are also proving the events in the Bible happened. And for the faithful the Bible is truth of God's creations.
Philosophically speaking, I see our universe as but 1 blood cell in a larger body and all other blood cells a separate universe within that same larger body. And like blood cells black holes are but links to new blood cells and the Apocalypse is the old (Super Nova) blood cell dying off with the new blood cell giving/sustaining life of the larger body.
Like oxygen, good E.T.s, help sustain our life within the blood cell, there are bad E.T.'s, viruses, carbondioxcide, also within that want to destroy our blood cell.
Thus the Good and the Evil.
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That would explain Democrats.
One thing that puzzles me in the Old Testament is that mankind flourished from Adam and Eve. The 50/500 rule would mean that if that was true most of us either have 3 eyes etc. or genetically mutated. Not to mention without today's medical technology most women would die in childbirth at some point or another.
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