Toronto Hotel Caves to Antis: Breaks Contract and Cancels African Hunting Show

[Pheroze]

It is nice to dream.

Slightly more direct interference in your case and I am glad the perpetrators were forewarned about the law and did not show.



It might fly better under this law in Alberta:

Wildlife Act RSA 2000
Prohibition of harassment of hunters

47(1) A person shall not interfere with the lawful hunting of wildlife by another person, or with any lawful activity preparatory to such hunting, with the intention of preventing or impeding the hunting or the continuation of the hunting.

(2) A person shall not disturb, or engage in an activity that will tend to disturb, wildlife with the intention of preventing or impeding its being lawfully hunted.

(3) A person shall not disturb another person who is engaged in the lawful hunting of wildlife, or in any lawful activity preparatory to such hunting, with the intention of dissuading that person from hunting or otherwise preventing the hunting or of preventing that person’s enjoyment of the outdoors.

Sadly, it would probably will be interpreted to include things like scouting etc rather than sales or conventions.

 

[BRICKBURN]

Sadly, it would probably will be interpreted to include things like scouting etc rather than sales or conventions.

I know.

Language is an interesting thing.

 

[BRICKBURN]

You do good research Wayne!

This is actually better, but I would say that a court would likely find that 47(1) applies to things done immediately before and in preparation for hunting, out in the field, or on the way to the field. Doubt that it would protect a trade show.

I like the idea of trying it against an airline. Air Canada's actions banning certain cargo seem to have been taken with the intention of preventing or impeding hunting!

But still, more of these types of laws would at least send a message that this is a lawful activity.

That research skill seems to come naturally. (or obsessively.)

Maybe we should start lying like they do.

The new story and Headline should read:

Anti Hunters Arrested, Fined and Jailed

Harassing Hunters is illegal in Canada and five Anti Hunters who started a petition to impede and harass hunters through making false statements on the Internet and through petitions were detained in Toronto today.
They face fines of $50,000 each and 6 months in jail for first offences.

The RCMP are searching for the rest of the signatories to the petition to serve warrants for appearance in Toronto Provincial Court.

Africa Hunting Events and the Outfitters are seeking financial damages from each petitioner and the host hotel.

The damages for the Outfitters alone are likely to exceed $3,500,000.00 USD.

 

[Hank2211]

That research skill seems to come naturally. (or obsessively.)

Maybe we should start lying like they do.

The new story and Headline should read:

Anti Hunters Arrested, Fined and Jailed

Harassing Hunters is illegal in Canada and five Anti Hunters who started a petition to impede and harass hunters through making false statements on the Internet and through petitions were detained in Toronto today.
They face fines of $50,000 each and 6 months in jail for first offences.

The RCMP are searching for the rest of the signatories to the petition to serve warrants for appearance in Toronto Provincial Court.

Africa Hunting Events and the Outfitters are seeking financial damages from each petitioner and the host hotel.

The damages for the Outfitters alone are likely to exceed $3,500,000.00 USD.

I like it!

 

[8x68]

these great points from the RMEF website will be going to my email to Animal Justice
http://www.rmef.org/Conservation/HuntingIsConservation/25ReasonsWhyHuntingIsConservation.aspx

Reason No. 1 why Hunting Is Conservation: In 1907, only 41,000 elk remained in North America. Thanks to the money and hard work invested by hunters to restore and conserve habitat, today there are more than 1 million.

Reason No. 2 why Hunting Is Conservation: In 1900, only 500,000 whitetails remained. Thanks to conservation work spearheaded by hunters, today there are more than 32 million.

Reason No. 3 why Hunting Is Conservation: In 1900, only 100,000 wild turkeys remained. Thanks to hunters, today there are over 7 million.

Reason No. 4 why Hunting Is Conservation: In 1901, few ducks remained. Thanks to hunters’ efforts to restore and conserve wetlands, today there are more than 44 million.

Reason No. 5 why Hunting Is Conservation: In 1950, only 12,000 pronghorn remained. Thanks to hunters, today there are more than 1.1 million.

Reason No. 6 why Hunting Is Conservation: Habitat, research and wildlife law enforcement work, all paid for by hunters, help countless non-hunted species.

Reason No. 7 why Hunting Is Conservation: Through state licenses and fees, hunters pay $796 million a year for conservation programs.*

Reason No. 8 why Hunting Is Conservation: Through donations to groups like RMEF, hunters add $440 million a year to conservation efforts.*

Reason No. 9 why Hunting Is Conservation: In 1937, hunters actually requested an 11% tax on guns, ammo, bows and arrows to help fund conservation. That tax, so far, raised more than $8 billion for wildlife conservation.*

Reason No. 10 why Hunting Is Conservation: An 11% tax on guns, ammo, bows and arrows generates $371 million a year for conservation.*

Reason No. 11 why Hunting Is Conservation: All together, hunters pay more than $1.6 billion a year for conservation programs. No one gives more!*

Reason No. 12 why Hunting Is Conservation: Three out of four Americans approve of hunting, partly because hunters are America’s greatest positive force for conservation.

Reason No. 13 why Hunting Is Conservation: As taxpayers, hunters also fund the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, U.S. Forest Service, etc.

Reason No. 14 why Hunting Is Conservation: Hunting funds conservation AND the economy, generating $38 billion a year in retail spending.*

Reason No. 15 why Hunting Is Conservation: Hunting supports 680,000 jobs, from game wardens to waitresses, biologists to motel clerks.*

Reason No. 16 why Hunting Is Conservation: Hunters are the fuel behind RMEF and its 6.6 million-plus acres of habitat conservation. More than 95 percent of our 205,000 members are passionate hunters.

Reason No. 17 why Hunting Is Conservation: A wildlife management tool, hunting helps balance wildlife populations with what the land can support, limits crop damage and curtails disease outbreaks.

Reason No. 18 why Hunting Is Conservation: Hunters help manage growing numbers of predators such as cougars, bears, coyotes and wolves. Our government spends millions to control predators and varmints while hunters have proven more than willing to pay for that opportunity.

Reason No. 19 why Hunting Is Conservation: Hunting has major value for highway safety. For every deer hit by a motorist, hunters take six.

Reason No. 20 why Hunting Is Conservation: Deer collisions kill 200 motorists and cost $10 billion a year. Imagine costs without hunting!

Reason No. 21 why Hunting Is Conservation: Hunters provide for conservation—and for their families. Hunting is a healthy way to connect with nature and eat the world’s most organic, lean, free-range meat.

Reason No. 22 why Hunting Is Conservation: Hunter numbers are down, while hunter spending for conservation is up. Unequaled devotion!

Reason No. 23 why Hunting Is Conservation: Avid hunter Theodore Roosevelt created our national forests and grasslands and forever protected 230 million acres for wildlife and the public to use and enjoy.

Reason No. 24 why Hunting Is Conservation: With funding from hunters, RMEF helped restore wild elk herds in six states and provinces.

Reason No. 25 why Hunting Is Conservation: As society loses its ties to wildlife and conservation, the bonds with nature formed by hunting are the greatest hope for creating the next generation of true conservationists.

Unfortunately when an ideology has been dictated or brainwashed into an individual it doesn't matter how right you are you would be wrong. If the dictator said jump of a cliff or drink poison they would do it.
Hunters know what the truth is but evil will always try to distort it for it's own cause. What would be better would to be to show the after effects of hunting concerning the benefit to local communities, villages, and the economy. Beat the anti's at their own game. Play on emotion as they do. Maybe show what happens if the villages don't get the meat from the hunt.
What do you think?

 

[BRICKBURN]

............. Beat the anti's at their own game. Play on emotion as they do. Maybe show what happens if the villages don't get the meat from the hunt.
What do you think?

Might as well give it a try. Grab some pictures and write something up.

 

[KMG Hunting Safaris]

Thanks for your work Gents.

 

[8x68]

Might as well give it a try. Grab some pictures and write something up.

I think a Youtube video or mini documentary idea would work better than pics. It puts it in the "first person" perspective.
It would be neat if some of the outfitters or PH's in Africa could do mini video clips of what happens after the meat is brought and distributed to the villages, etc. Show how it is respected. Interview some of those involved.

 

[AB2506]

Unfortunately when an ideology has been dictated or brainwashed into an individual it doesn't matter how right you are you would be wrong. If the dictator said jump of a cliff or drink poison they would do it.
Hunters know what the truth is but evil will always try to distort it for it's own cause. What would be better would to be to show the after effects of hunting concerning the benefit to local communities, villages, and the economy. Beat the anti's at their own game. Play on emotion as they do. Maybe show what happens if the villages don't get the meat from the hunt.
What do you think?

There's a thread here about how villages in Botswana are feeling the effects of no hunting. Perhaps that is the place to start?

I have read some place recently, that the fantasy of photo safaris replacing hunting economically, only works in very limited areas of Africa. Those areas are mostly some of the better known national parks. Most other places are too remote and/or too heavily brushed and/or too heavily tsetse fly infested for most non-hunters to put up with.

So how do we go on the offensive and get the message out? Hunters are paying for lion research. Hunters are the economic engine of rural sub-Saharan Africa.

 

[8x68]

There's a thread here about how villages in Botswana are feeling the effects of no hunting. Perhaps that is the place to start?

I have read some place recently, that the fantasy of photo safaris replacing hunting economically, only works in very limited areas of Africa. Those areas are mostly some of the better known national parks. Most other places are too remote and/or too heavily brushed and/or too heavily tsetse fly infested for most non-hunters to put up with.

So how do we go on the offensive and get the message out? Hunters are paying for lion research. Hunters are the economic engine of rural sub-Saharan Africa.

The challenge is getting that message physically in front of people's faces. This is not my forté. I'm sure there may be an individual or two on this forum that has expertise in ad design & promotion. To be a good salesperson you need to "sell the sizzle not the steak". You notice that a large percentage of car ads have cars driving fast; even in snow, and drivers are grinning wildly.

 

[Pheroze]

Quite honestly, the government's of South Africa or Zambia etc have to endorse a concerted effort to explain the role of hunters in their conservation efforts. Also, these businesses need to be supported by their governments (Maybe a little naive?) but, one off statements, such as from Zambia over lion hunting, don't get enough traction because it is not part of a steady program of information. OFAH has something like 130,000 members while the city of Toronto is home to several million. How can a private group of this size get heard? But, what about a letter from the appropriate ministry to counter this type of petition? I don't know the right approach, but why is it left up to hunters to defend an activity that ultimately benefits aspects of a country that the government is responsible for? if you cannot control the narrative you will lose the case. A little help please!

 

[BRICKBURN]

A letter that may assist to prevent the next one from falling.

I just whipped it up from the RECIPE of the ANTI HUNTER. It only seemed fair. ))

Please do feel free to edit and add anything you might feel apropos.
Letter:

The Coast Hotel is set to host an African Hunting Expo, which will promote the conservation of majestic African Wildlife through the various Outfitters that will arrive from across Southern Africa. Organized by African Hunting Gazette and African Events Canada, the expo will connect Canadians with African Safari outfitters and allow them to demonstrate conservation in action. They are not just keyboard warriors meddling in matters they are ignorant of.

The Coast Hotel Conference Centre will be hosting an event that promotes conservation across southern Africa through the sustainable conservation of beautiful wild animals. On African safaris, hunters pay for the ongoing conservation of ALL animals through the fees they pay. Not just the most well known species.


Nothing is wasted in Africa. Nothing. Meat and other products go into feed and house the surrounding community and provide ongoing employment in the poorest of nations, in places most won't even venture.

Wildlife that may be hunted LEGALLY are always within a strict quota set through scientific agreement. CITES (https://www.cites.org/eng/app/index.php)


Endangered or threatened species are created through excessive, uncontrolled poaching and habitat loss. Legal hunting is recognized scientifically throughout the world as a sustainable use of wildlife resources. Much like our own Inuit that hunt in a sustainable manner and waste nothing. All hunting in Africa is controlled by strict laws and international treaties to which Canada is a party.


The common carriers in the US that recently refused to accept legal shipments without basis have found themselves subject to costly litigation for their breach of duty. Ignorance and lack of information have facilitated this costly knee jerk reaction on their part and currently several of these same companies have quietly changed their positions after they have learned the facts about Conservation in Africa.


It is imperative that the Coast Hotel support and play a role in the conservation of African Wildlife and by doing so supporting Africa’s poorest people by facilitating those with feet on the ground. Those people that are working hard on the front line of wildlife conservation.


The Coast Hotel can demonstrate the strong leadership that has made them a respected company by understanding community needs and supporting them. As Past President Robert Platt, said during a local fundraiser for the Salvation Army. “Bringing our community together to support two exceptional causes is so rewarding,”


Africa’s people and Wildlife needs all of our help, and who better than the people who live and work on the ground every day to do so. Those going on Safari understand this imperative. African Wildlife needs our help before it's too late.

Please ensure the expo’s success and help African Wildlife Conservation!


Sincerely,

 

[BRICKBURN]

I just got this EDIT by PM.
THANKS.
I have no Ego on this one guys and gals. This is a community effort to get this done properly.


I thought your letter was great and I am just suggesting some stylistic changes. I hope it helps:

The Coast Hotel is set to host an African Hunting Expo, which will promote the conservation of majestic African Wildlife through the various Outfitters that will arrive from across Southern Africa. Organized by African Hunting Gazette and African Events Canada, the expo will connect Canadians with African Safari outfitters and allow them to demonstrate conservation in action. Unfortunately, similar events across Canada have been cancelled due to the malicious actions of misinformed activists. We are writing to provide you with the information and resources you need to understand how this expo promotes conservation across southern Africa through the sustainable conservation of wild animals. The hunting industry in Africa directly benefits African wildlife, and the local communities. We are asking you to support this vital aspect of conservation and not be swayed by misinformation.


Endangered or threatened species are created through excessive, uncontrolled poaching and habitat loss. Legal hunting is recognized scientifically throughout the world as a sustainable use of wildlife resources. Much like our own Inuit that hunt in a sustainable manner and waste nothing. All hunting in Africa is controlled by strict laws and international treaties to which Canada is a party. Wildlife that may be hunted LEGALLY are always within a strict quota set through scientific agreement. CITES (https://www.cites.org/eng/app/index.php) .


Sustainable hunting in Africa, just like in North America, has accounted for a dramatic growth in the number of wild game. In South Africa (insert some stats here) and in Namibia (statistics). Similarly, iconic animal such as the elephant and Cape Buffalo are abundant where they are protected as a aspect of sustainable hunting activities. By contrast, countries such as Kenya do not allow hunting and their animal populations have been decimated (stat here)


On African safaris, hunters pay for the ongoing conservation of ALL animals through the fees they pay. Not just the most well known species. Nothing is wasted in Africa. Nothing. Meat and other products go into feed and house the surrounding community and provide ongoing employment in the poorest of nations, in places most won't even venture.

Unfortunately, the common carriers in the US that recently refused to accept legal shipments without basis have found themselves subject to costly litigation for their breach of duty. Ignorance and lack of information have facilitated this costly knee jerk reaction on their part and currently several of these same companies have quietly changed their positions after they have learned the facts about Conservation in Africa.

It is imperative that the Coast Hotel support and play a role in the conservation of African Wildlife and by doing so supporting Africa’s poorest people by facilitating those with feet on the ground. Those people that are working hard on the front line of wildlife conservation.

The Coast Hotel can demonstrate the strong leadership that has made them a respected company by understanding community needs and supporting them. As Past President Robert Platt, said during a local fundraiser for the Salvation Army. “Bringing our community together to support two exceptional causes is so rewarding,”


Africa’s people and Wildlife needs all of our help, and who better than the people who live and work on the ground every day to do so. Those going on Safari understand this imperative. African Wildlife needs our help before it's too late.

Please ensure the expo’s success and help African Wildlife Conservation! You can obtain further information from…..

 

[8x68]

Sent emails to The Saskatoon Inn asking them to reverse their decision, and to the Calgary Airport Hotel asking them not to consider cancelling the upcoming show.

 

[gpelkhunter]

Great Job Brickburn!, very well written.
will you be sending that to Animal Justice adn the hotels once it is finished.
Here is my letter that will be going to Animal Justice and OFAH.
please use any parts you would like in your letter

This response is to give your organization a different perspective on how man affects the world and how hunting plays an important part in the role of wildlife management and conservation. Man controls and changes every part of the world we live in, both positively and negatively. We use the land: building cities and communities, development of all industries (oil & gas, forestry, etc) and primarily for agriculture to feed the world’s populations. We use the rivers, lakes and oceans: build dams for electrical power, irrigation for agriculture, drain wetlands and build levies for land use (New Orleans), and to provide seafood and fish as a food source. We use the earth’s air: to sustain all life forms, to travel vast distances quickly via transportation, and lastly to absorb all pollution from our industries and automobiles. Man has his fingerprint on all aspects of the world and we affect and control everything. With how the world is now, nature cannot adapt with all plants and animals living in equilibrium and balance because man makes too many continual changes to the environment, due to our ever expanding population.

First off, hunting is a vital part of man’s control of the environment and its inhabitants. Almost every country in the world, sees wildlife as a resource that requires management. That is why there are hunting regulations and harvest limits to control and utilize this resource effectively. There are millions of dollars spent on setting these regulations and enforcement. All ethical hunters abide by these rules willingly to ensure this valuable resource is sustained and maintained for future generations. I am an ethical hunter and I am proud of that fact. As a conservationist, I do my part to control animal populations, which involves hunting as an important tool. I value and respect the animals I hunt and harvest. This value has me spend countless volunteer hours and tens of thousands of dollars to conserve wildlife and their habitats. I have belonged to a number of conservation organizations that consist primarily of avid hunters and fishermen (+95%). History has proof that hunters belonging to conservation groups have been instrumental in bringing back wildlife from the brink of extinction in many cases. Because hunters value the sport of hunting, we put our efforts and money to protect that resource. It is a resource to use for recreation and subsistence.

Facts documented by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation in the USA.

Why Hunting is Conservation!

1: In 1907, only 41,000 elk remained in North America. Thanks to the money and hard work invested by hunters to restore and conserve habitat, today there are more than 1 million.
2 : In 1900, only 500,000 whitetails remained. Thanks to conservation work spearheaded by hunters, today there are more than 32 million.
3 : In 1900, only 100,000 wild turkeys remained, today there are over 7 million. 4 : In 1901, few ducks remained. Thanks to hunters’ efforts to restore and conserve wetlands, today there are more than 44 million.
5 : In 1950, only 12,000 pronghorn remained. Today there are more than 1.1 million.
6 : Habitat, research and wildlife law enforcement work, all paid for by hunters, help countless non-hunted species.
7 : Through state licenses and fees, hunters pay $796 million a year for conservation programs.*
8 : Through donations to groups like RMEF, hunters add $440 million a year to conservation efforts.*
9 : In 1937, hunters actually requested an 11% tax on guns, ammo, bows and arrows to help fund conservation. That tax, so far, raised more than $8 billion for wildlife conservation.*
10 : An 11% tax on guns, ammo, bows and arrows generates $371 million a year for conservation.*
11 : All together, hunters pay more than $1.6 billion a year for conservation programs. 12 : As taxpayers, hunters also fund the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, U.S. Forest Service, etc.
13 : Hunting funds conservation & the economy, generating $38 billion a year in retail spending.
14 : Hunting supports 680,000 jobs, from game wardens to waitresses, biologists to motel clerks.*
15 : Hunters are the fuel behind RMEF and its 6.6 million-plus acres of habitat conservation. More than 95 percent of our 205,000 members are passionate hunters.
16 : A wildlife management tool, hunting helps balance wildlife populations with what the land can support, limits crop damage and curtails disease outbreaks..
17 : Hunting has major value for highway safety. For every deer hit by a motorist, hunters take six. Deer collisions kill 200 motorists and cost $10 million a year.
18 : Hunters provide for conservation—and for their families. Hunting is a healthy way to connect with nature and eat the world’s most organic, lean, free-range meat.
19 : Avid hunter Theodore Roosevelt created our national forests and grasslands and forever protected 230 million acres for wildlife and the public to use and enjoy.
20 : With funding from hunters, RMEF helped restore wild elk herds in six states and provinces.

Imagine for a moment that there was no hunting allowed any where. What would happen to the game numbers, for example: whitetails in the eastern states, the population would explode creating an over abundance of animals that would eventually lead to disease and starvation for the majority. Farmers would be shooting the animals and leaving them to rot because the over population is totally wrecking the crops. Poaching would increase 1000 fold as hunting would not be regulated. Now, a once valuable resource is wasted with animals dying needlessly by the tens of thousands. Traffic accidents and death to animals and humans would definitely rise.
Not a great picture or a wise use of an important, renewable and viable resource.

I was just in Namibia on a bow hunting trip. The land in the NW part of the country is a harsh land with its only use for cattle farming and hunting. If no animals were harvested to control the numbers, with the drought currently going on in that country, there would be countless animals dying of thirst and starvation, again a total devastation of the populations. All animals I hunted were totally used for subsistence for the local population, the outfitter and myself. If these animals were not legally harvested through controlled hunting, the poaching of the animals would be rampant as all people of the area would be killing for a source of food (or money for selling of the meat, as poaching is still a problem happening today).

I hunt because I want to eat wild meat and not store bought meat. That is my choice and I have the right to it. I butcher my own animals and I use all of the animal, from the wild meat, to all the bones and meat scraps for my 2 dogs (from the SPCA). I get the hides tanned into leather to use in my home for furniture and for my hobbies. I am very proud of the fact that I make total use of the animals I hunt.

In Alberta, in 2014, there were over 15,500 elk and moose harvested, with an average of 300 lbs of meat, that is over 4,500,000 lbs of meat that was used for prized dinner fare for countless families.

A lot of areas in the US and Canada have food banks where wild meat can be donated for needy families. Another valuable use of the resource.

I hope you can see my view on the valuable and important side to hunting

and how it is definitely NOT

“cruel and senseless slaughter of majestic animals”,

“brutally kill countless endangered and threatened animals”,

how your organization perceives, describes and distorts it.

 

[Pheroze]

I heard back fromy local OFAH Rep that he will be forwarding my email along. I also told him about the Canada AM interview today. Hopefully, enough of us will get OFAH up on their feet!

 

[adgunner]

Pheroze, do you know what time the interview is set to air?

 

[Pheroze]

I tried to find it on the Web but they only had yesterday's.

 

[BRICKBURN]

Pheroze, do you know what time the interview is set to air?

0710

Sorry, Bit late to the party.

Was posted here.

http://www.africahunting.com/threads/time-to-fight-back-against-show-cancellations.24940/page-2

 

[Michael Dean]

What were the scheduled dates for the Toronto Show? I want to write the hotel chain and explain the them why I will not be attending or staying with them.