Tipping Guide

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  1. Cam Moon

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    Michael, I tend to agree with you that it has gotten out of hand and that it is difficult for someone who is less "financially fortunate" to follow suit after someone has gave a huge tip! I agree that it fuels unrealistic expectations. I would like to clarify a couple things though. You said that tipping is a way of showing your appreciation for Superior service. (Well above average) So, with that in mind, hypothetically, what would happen if you went someplace and received average service? Would you not tip at all?
    I also wanted to clarify when you said that 10% is the norm. What do you base your 10% on? 10% of what?
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  2. Red Leg

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    Michael, I just deleted a very angry post. If you will reread yours, you basically called out anyone who tipped more than your 10% "norm" an egoist for tipping that amount and apparently a liar if they gave any other reason for that tip. In several previous posts, I explained what I tipped and why. In several cases (though not all), that exceeded your 10% "norm." I will assume you really weren't calling me out personally as an egotistical liar - and I will admit that I am a Southerner and fairly touchy about such things. I also would suggest, pronouncing the "norm" for the rest of the hunting (maybe service?) industry is 10% might be challenged as a rather arrogantly egotistical position to take. Just saying.

    If you would get out more, you would find the "norm" for restaurant industry has been 15 % for at least fifty years in the US - at least where I have eaten. If you charter a boat in the Gulf, off Hatteras, in the Caribbean, wherever, you will often see a small sign letting you know that the mate works for tips and 15% is the norm (sometimes 20%). If your PH makes a suggestion, he is essentially doing the same thing. If you don't like that, fine - buy a cane pole or get another outfitter.

    Finally, most successful people that I know got that way through hard work and some luck along the way. They weren't trust fund babies or the beneficiaries of some rich uncle's estate. If some of those people occasionally want to be generous with some of that good fortune, then I think that speaks well of them. It is a generosity of spirit which probably should be applauded rather than condemned or somehow seen as threatening.
     
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    Red Leg I don't think he was targeting you or anyone else, just giving his opinion as we all do on these forums.
     

  4. mark-hunter

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    This is my impression, as well. I dont see any reason for hard feelings.
     

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    I am sure I have already posted this, but I HATE tipping. It is no longer a reward for great service. Instead it has become a way for those employers in the service trade to pay less and expect their customers to pay the tip to bring their employees up to that they should be making in the first place. Give me the Club Med method - all in for one price - any day. Short of that, the Round-up as practiced in Europe.
     
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    What is round - up pricing method? Sorry, I am just not familiar with the term?
     

  7. Red Leg

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    In much ]of Europe one simply leaves the change to round up to the nearest Euro or so rather than a percentage. Though that is changing in some of the larger cities.
     
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    Yes, this is true!

    I was a bit confused, jumping to conclusion that this is some way of price setting system for trophies.
    Thanks for clarification!
     

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    In Sweden unless on very internationally centered restaurant we generally dont tip much at all.

    Im in agreement with the poster above, an employer should pay his employees enough that they dont need the tip and the tip is bonus for services beyond just the regular.
     
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  10. Michael Dean

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    Red Leg, I apologize if in any way you thought I was directing my comments at you, they were not. My comments are targeted at some of the egotists that I've had the misfortune to share camp with. I've had the unfortunate experience of dealing with individuals, one experience in particular, who flashed money in camp and tried to impress anyone who would listen that he had money. It didn't matter that he was a pathetic sportsman and couldn't shoot to save his life, he believed that he deserved to be first in line simply because he had a fist full of 100 dollar bills. He tipped not to show his appreciation for someone's hard work, he tipped simply to impress.

    I've been fortunate in business, done well financially and can tip 20% if I wanted to. The reason for my rant is the unfortunate experiences with a few that in my point of view have damaged the reputation of Americans by their arrogance. I should have been more specific in my post as to who and why I was upset about the big tipper. When I mentioned 10% it was 10% of the cost of the hunt less the cost of flights. I hope this clarified my previous post.
     
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  11. Von S.

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    It's really all so simple.

    Tipping has just got way out of hand.

    Everyone in all walks of life looks to get tipped for doing their job no matter how well or poorly they do it.

    Yesterday I had to go to some medical testing place and was supplied with some sort of half assed medical transportation. Pretty long Ride and no conversation with either one of these zombies. Oh well.

    Got there, opened my door, got out and shut the door as these two obviously were crippled.

    Went in did what I had to and went over and they were sleeping. I got in and woke the angels up.

    I had to fast before my appointment for 24 hours so I was hungry and asked them if they could pull into the fast food which they said they couldn't,even though the smell of Burger King wafted inside the vehicle and two empty bags on the floor. Ok.

    Pulled up in front of the house and the must who was driving came right out and told me what their normal tip was for a ride so long I once again opened up my door and got out and told them to pound sand and left the door open and went in.

    Tips?

    The guy who cuts the lawn always wants a tip, yet forgets to blow off the sidewalks,, the boob behind the counter of the convienance store wants a tip for ringing up my pack of over priced gum, the waitress at the restaurant who got our entire order wrong 3 times and I don't mean a little wrong like medium rare steak instead of rare, I mean like a fried chicken dinner instead of prime rib....when I told her we were calling it quits for the night she said that her time was worth at least a 10 dollar tip.

    To me a "tip" is deserved by people who go above and beyond, and not some schlub who does just the minimum to get by and keep their job.

    If you buy a package that includes all meals didn't you already pay for them? Do you really have to tip the guy who works on the vehicles or mows the lawns?

    Do you tip the cooks or the enginemen on a cruise ship?

    Have you ever taken over 20 out to eat to find out that the restaurant automatically adds 15% to your bill? Like you are now obligated to pay an extra because you brought the more business than normal? And pay it even if the service sucked?

    The ultimate job of every man in the military is not to die, but to make others die for their country. Their killing doesn't happen all the time as we don't constantly kill, so maybe it's extraordinary. Why don't we tip them?

    Maybe we should just tip the extraordinary in everything?
     
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