The Lost Ones

[Cervus elaphus]

The many calibers gone from the scene, faded into obscurity, locked away in some dusty cupboard with boxes of Kynoch, some gone, some forgotten. If we just chose the golden ages of African hunting, Teddy Roosevelt, Karamojo Bell, Fred Kirby, Fred Selous, and tallied calibers starting with a 2 3 4 or 5 in the front, how many would there be?. If someone has a list, I'd like to see it. Oddly enough, it's the military calibers & rifles converted to sporting models that endure, The Enfields Springfields Mausers as a small sample etc. Thanks to members on this forum we do get to have a look at some of the guns & ammo of the last two centuries.

 

[Professor Mawla]

* .240 Holland & Holland Apex
* .244 Holland & Holland Magnum
* .310 Sherwood
* .318 Westley Richards
* .360 Nitro Express
* .369 Purdey
* 9.5 x 57 mm Mannlicher
* .375 Nitro Express
* 10.75x63 mm Mauser
* 10.75x68 mm Mauser
* 11.2x72 mm Schuler
* .425 Westley Richards
* .475 Jeffery
* .476 Westley Richards
* 10 bore 2 7/8 inch
* 12 bore 3 1/4 inch
* 8 bore
* 4 bore


Well , I believe that is the best that I can do .

 

[Cervus elaphus]

* .240 Holland & Holland Apex
* .244 Holland & Holland Magnum
* .310 Sherwood
* .318 Westley Richards
* .360 Nitro Express
* .369 Purdey
* 9.5 x 57 mm Mannlicher
* .375 Nitro Express
* 10.75x63 mm Mauser
* 10.75x68 mm Mauser
* 11.2x72 mm Schuler
* .425 Westley Richards
* .475 Jeffery
* .476 Westley Richards
* 10 bore 2 7/8 inch
* 12 bore 3 1/4 inch
* 8 bore
* 4 bore


Well , I believe that is the best that I can do .

That's a pretty good effort Prof ! I think the .425 WR is making a comeback among handloaders. I'm making up a list. thanks

 

[Cervus elaphus]

* .240 Holland & Holland Apex
* .244 Holland & Holland Magnum
* .310 Sherwood
* .318 Westley Richards
* .360 Nitro Express
* .369 Purdey
* 9.5 x 57 mm Mannlicher
* .375 Nitro Express
* 10.75x63 mm Mauser
* 10.75x68 mm Mauser
* 11.2x72 mm Schuler
* .425 Westley Richards
* .475 Jeffery
* .476 Westley Richards
* 10 bore 2 7/8 inch
* 12 bore 3 1/4 inch
* 8 bore
* 4 bore


Well , I believe that is the best that I can do .

Further, I see that Woodleigh have two bullets for the 425WR listed, 410gr SN and 410gr FMJ. it's great to see this old caliber come back. Seems Woodleigh believe in them.

 

[AES]

.369 Purdey in a Purdey DR is a dream of mine.

 

[Cervus elaphus]

.369 Purdey in a Purdey DR is a dream of mine.

That's one I haven't heard of before. Apparently has same ballistics as the .375 H&H and only one bullet, a 270gr one. Don't know whether you can get formed brass for it or DIY.

 

[HWL]

* .240 Holland & Holland Apex
* .244 Holland & Holland Magnum
* .310 Sherwood
* .318 Westley Richards
* .360 Nitro Express
* .369 Purdey
* 9.5 x 57 mm Mannlicher
* .375 Nitro Express
* 10.75x63 mm Mauser
* 10.75x68 mm Mauser
* 11.2x72 mm Schuler
* .425 Westley Richards
* .475 Jeffery
* .476 Westley Richards
* 10 bore 2 7/8 inch
* 12 bore 3 1/4 inch
* 8 bore
* 4 bore


Well , I believe that is the best that I can do .

I may add...

* 6,5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer
* .256 Mannlicher-Schoenauer (the rimed version)
* 9x56 Mannlicher-Schoenauer aka 9mm Mannlicher
* 9x57, .aka 9mm Mauser
* .400/350 Rigby
* .400/375 Belted H&H
* .405 Winchester .....Theodore Roosevelts baby
* .450/400 2 3/8" Nitro
* .577/450 Martini
* .577 Snider!!!

HWL

 

[Pondoro]

.280 Flanged Nitro Express
.350 Rigby No 2
.280 Halger
.350 Rigby Magnum
.244 Holland & Holland Magnum (albeit a late one..)

 

[Cervus elaphus]

I may add...

* 6,5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer
* .256 Mannlicher-Schoenauer (the rimed version)
* 9x56 Mannlicher-Schoenauer aka 9mm Mannlicher
* 9x57, .aka 9mm Mauser
* .400/350 Rigby
* .400/375 Belted H&H
* .405 Winchester .....Theodore Roosevelts baby
* .450/400 2 3/8" Nitro
* .577/450 Martini
* .577 Snider!!!

HWL

Indeed Teddy loved his .405. thanks for the continuing list.

 

[HWL]

Indeed Teddy loved his .405. thanks for the continuing list.

I never made it to a Winchester 1895 like Theodore Roosevelt's, but once, a Belgian double in .405 Winchester crossed my path...



HWL

 

[318AE]

This is a great list. I load, shoot and hunt with the following:
318 WR
425 WR
350 Rigby Magnum
333 Jeffery rimless
280 Rimless Nitro Express - a “British” 7mm in .287, similar to the 275 H&H magnum, 280 Jeffery
8x60s - the “Versailles” caliber

Woodleigh and Bertram have made all this much easier. CH4D and Quality cartridge are very helpful as well.

i‘m working next on a 6.5x54 Kurz Mauser

The really tough ones to bring back from the dusty cupboard are ones like the 242 Manton/Vickers/rimless nitro express - it had a bullet diameter between .243 and .257.

 

[Tom Leoni]

Let's not forget calibers like the .500/465 NE that were developed after .450 was banned in India and the Sudan. These are often available in some pretty swanky rifles.

 

[Nevada Mike]

I think that the 6.5 X 54 MS is alive... but perhaps not well?

 

[HWL]

Not to forget the cartridge, that defended the Empire.....

HWL

 

[CAustin]

* .240 Holland & Holland Apex
* .244 Holland & Holland Magnum
* .310 Sherwood
* .318 Westley Richards
* .360 Nitro Express
* .369 Purdey
* 9.5 x 57 mm Mannlicher
* .375 Nitro Express
* 10.75x63 mm Mauser
* 10.75x68 mm Mauser
* 11.2x72 mm Schuler
* .425 Westley Richards
* .475 Jeffery
* .476 Westley Richards
* 10 bore 2 7/8 inch
* 12 bore 3 1/4 inch
* 8 bore
* 4 bore


Well , I believe that is the best that I can do .

I think you did really well sir!

 

[Professor Mawla]

I think you did really well sir!

@CAustin
Why thank you very much .

 

[Professor Mawla]

That's a pretty good effort Prof ! I think the .425 WR is making a comeback among handloaders. I'm making up a list. thanks

@Cervus elaphus
I do apologize for the late response . But I just learnt from my friend at Kynoch that that they offer factory loaded 410 grain soft nosed ammunition for the .425 Westley Richards . But not factory loaded full metal jacket solids .

 

[Cervus elaphus]

This is a great list. I load, shoot and hunt with the following:
318 WR
425 WR
350 Rigby Magnum
333 Jeffery rimless
280 Rimless Nitro Express - a “British” 7mm in .287, similar to the 275 H&H magnum, 280 Jeffery
8x60s - the “Versailles” caliber

Woodleigh and Bertram have made all this much easier. CH4D and Quality cartridge are very helpful as well.

i‘m working next on a 6.5x54 Kurz Mauser

The really tough ones to bring back from the dusty cupboard are ones like the 242 Manton/Vickers/rimless nitro express - it had a bullet diameter between .243 and .257.

The list is getting bigger !. I would be very happy with every caliber you have there and it's great to see how many are still being used. Open that cupboard and get the dust out people !.

 

[Cervus elaphus]

I never made it to a Winchester 1895 like Theodore Roosevelt's, but once, a Belgian double in .405 Winchester crossed my path...



HWL

Ah the days when Presidents were huntin' and shootin'. Now it's either golfing or gun-hating.

 

[Professor Mawla]

I never made it to a Winchester 1895 like Theodore Roosevelt's, but once, a Belgian double in .405 Winchester crossed my path...



HWL

@HWL
As far as I am aware , Raick Freres is the only Belgian gun maker to build double rifles in .405 Winchester.