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It says Denmark and Finland have 24 percent single parent households which lineup with Caucasians in America at around 25% and Sweden is at 34% which is quite a bit higher then the same racial group in America. France is also on the rise and was last reported at 23% in 2023. Seems like they match up with their demographic here in the states. Of the bigger countries only Germany and uk had lower rates at around 14-15%.

A strong cultural difference is how much fathers participate in raising their children. A single mother with her former husband actively engaged in child rearing and discipline will likely have a better chance of raising law abiding children.

Behavioral studies could develop statistical models of degrees of fatherhood in children’s lives resulting in those children’s success as adults. That’s not my field of expertise but it doesn’t take a PhD to see the results.
 
I completely agree with you on the drugs point you make.

Anyone busted with the cheaper Crack Cocaine Vs. Powder faced drastically different sentences. Crack was cheaper primarily an inner city drug. Powder was seen the white collar, professionals drug of choice.
You see, we can agree on somethings.
 
t is political gamesmanship to point to a single factor driving this persistent pattern. Most serious students of the issue point to proud economic changes broad economic changes, urban manufacturing declines, changes in welfare policy design, and shifting social norms in the black community (and more broadly) regarding marriage. And yes, drug related sentencing also played a role - as did an explosion of inner city crime that corresponded to the crack epidemic leading to those more draconian sentencing guidelines.

One thing people do not realize and it was pointed out to me at least in CA, anyway. In construction a lot of the dry wall, roofing companies etc. were either owned by blacks or employed a lot of black workers in the past. Now, the black owned companies are gone and black workers are replaced by migrant labor as they are less expensive. A lot of job opportunities have disappeared from the black community. Heck, my pool maintenance, yard maintenance, car wash service, house cleaning service are all Hispanic. They are not just making minimum wage either.

In retrospect, I have been on 4 project construction sites recently, I have not seen a single black person working.
 
Proponents of the “crackdown on crack” believed that lawful inner-city residents would be better off if crack offenders were locked up for longer periods of time.
I suppose it depends upon how long. When it comes to serious violent crimes there are three pretty clear inflection points in the data, ages 20, 25, and 29 of the offenders. Throwing a 22 year old offender in prison for 20-30 years for drug offenses has significant diminishing marginal utility.
“Bill Clinton and his allies embarked on a draconian punishment campaign to outflank the Republicans,” while Hillary supported the effort and “stood resolutely at her husband’s side.” Alexander, the author of the influential book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, argued that Clinton’s past embrace of tough-on-crime policies is one of several reasons black voters shouldn’t support her. “
I think this is a bit disingenuous. Hillary Clinton in the 1990s wasn't an elected official in any capacity. Also, who should black voters vote for in 2016? Trump? The guy who demanded the Central Park 5 be sentenced to death, even after DNA evidence and a confession from someone else exonerated them?
Further, what is called the American Prison Industrial Complex likely doesn’t help those in prison,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison–industrial_complex
I'm glad we agree on some things. The question is what to do about it now. Do we revert back to past failed policies? Or do we continue to do what is working?
Certainly our liberal leaning members can debate the origins of sentencing disparities of crack vs. cocaine, or the prison industrial complex, or if the sky is blue on a sunny day, but as Elmer Keith said long ago, “Hell, I was there”.
Yes but Bill Clintons failures don't absolve the Republicans of their culpability in the matter either too.
 
It has gone down in recent years but remains plateaued at roughly 47-50%. Hardly a triumph in the restoration of a stable family environments for half of this country's black children.
If it took society 50 years to screw it up, it'll take us at least 50 more to fix it.
Nothing is simple and nothing is the exclusive "fault" of either political party or administration. No matter where bias leads our finger pointing, fatherless households remain a significant persistent, now sixty years and counting, problem within the black community that has improved only marginally.
Fatherless households are worse in the Black community, but are still a problem for the country as a whole, regardless of race.
So long as conditions encourage the George Floyd's of the inner city to be the role models and heroes of black youth, little is likely to change.
I don't know any liberals, black or white that see George Floyd as a role model or a hero, especially to black youth. They do see his death as an agent of change (hopefully). But this incident is a whole separate discussion.
 
It says Denmark and Finland have 24 percent single parent households which lineup with Caucasians in America at around 25% and Sweden is at 34% which is quite a bit higher then the same racial group in America. France is also on the rise and was last reported at 23% in 2023. Seems like they match up with their demographic here in the states. Of the bigger countries only Germany and uk had lower rates at around 14-15%.
I was looking at and comparing the whole of Europe. Primarily the EU. Its 14% in the EU, vs. 23% in the US. Since Europe spends almost 2x on social welfare programs, this heavily debunks the claim that welfare is solely to blame for the rise in single-parent homes, or even a primary factor.


This article breaks it down by country. The wealthier ones have higher rates. But not as high as we do.
 
I suppose it depends upon how long. When it comes to serious violent crimes there are three pretty clear inflection points in the data, ages 20, 25, and 29 of the offenders. Throwing a 22 year old offender in prison for 20-30 years for drug offenses has significant diminishing marginal utility.

I think this is a bit disingenuous. Hillary Clinton in the 1990s wasn't an elected official in any capacity. Also, who should black voters vote for in 2016? Trump? The guy who demanded the Central Park 5 be sentenced to death, even after DNA evidence and a confession from someone else exonerated them?

I'm glad we agree on some things. The question is what to do about it now. Do we revert back to past failed policies? Or do we continue to do what is working?

Yes but Bill Clintons failures don't absolve the Republicans of their culpability in the matter either too.

And this is why I have had you on Ignore since your first day on AH. Have a nice life but try to get out of your mammas basement for 20 minutes of sunshine every day.
 
As I tried to point out, there are a host of reasons for the collapse of the black family structure in this country.

If we use 1960 as a baseline, 20-22% of black children lived in single-parent households. Over the next two decades between 1960 and 1980 single parentage rose to nearly 50% by 1980. The numbers peaked over the next two decades rising to just over 55% in the mid-1990's. It has gone down in recent years but remains plateaued at roughly 47-50%. Hardly a triumph in the restoration of a stable family environments for half of this country's black children.

It is political gamesmanship to point to a single factor driving this persistent pattern. Most serious students of the issue point to proud economic changes broad economic changes, urban manufacturing declines, changes in welfare policy design, and shifting social norms in the black community (and more broadly) regarding marriage. And yes, drug related sentencing also played a role - as did an explosion of inner city crime that corresponded to the crack epidemic leading to those more draconian sentencing guidelines.

Nothing is simple and nothing is the exclusive "fault" of either political party or administration. No matter where bias leads our finger pointing, fatherless households remain a significant persistent, now sixty years and counting, problem within the black community that has improved only marginally. So long as conditions encourage the George Floyd's of the inner city to be the role models and heroes of black youth, little is likely to change.

One element that doesn't seem to be covered much by social scientists that I believe is a real factor: shame and embarassment. The concept of "have you no shame?".

I remember growing up lower middle class and there was a lot of shame and stigma in society. Mothers of the poorer kids were obsessed that shoes were shined and girl's dresses were spotless for Sunday church. Discipline was stricter for the poor kids than the rich kids, because there was social-stigma trying to prove the lesser means people were just as good, just as ordered, and with equal earned dignity.

The midwest has always been Scandinavian and Dutch culturally influenced. The mindset that "if you have to stoop in your dignity to ask for welfare, you must surely need it". It is this shame/dignity concept of Northern Europeans.

People of all stripes today have less shame. Less embarrassment. A child's guest misbehaves at a private club...no big deal. A kid lies or steals...not a big deal. Dirty clothes or inappropriate attire for an event...no big deal.

Back in the day, fear of being ostracized due poor protocol was a very, very real threat. Those trying to socially climb (most people) were acutely aware of social queues and were very careful to avoid shame.

My point is that in the name of tolerance and acceptance, society has accepted really bad behavior overall. As pertains to multi-generational African-Americans, they are typically a bellwhether of bad things that hit their demographic first, and then migrates to Caucasians second. (e.g. unwed pregnancy)

African-American male youth culture is a culture without any shame. Their role models they emulate are undignified thugs and harlots, which does them no favors. Their tolerance for deviating from social norms has altered the clientele of major businesses like Carnival Cruise lines, Popeyes Chicken, and Red Lobster which is now struggling to regain decorum and re-appeal to other races as clients to no avail.

My hypothesis is that since it is proven that African-American youth have the highest self-esteem of any racial group, coupled with the phenomenon of no social stigma for modest infractions of societal norms, things are in a death-spiral that is unchecked.

My evidence is the dignity and propriety of the African American family circa 1950-1960 when racial issues were very real, poverty was far more profound, yet their dignity and propriety was far more noteworthy. (e.g. men in hats, proper church attire, just look at any of the old photos and video of their gentile nature)
 
I don't know any liberals, black or white that see George Floyd as a role model or a hero, especially to black youth. They do see his death as an agent of change (hopefully). But this incident is a whole separate discussion.
Did I use the term "liberal" anywhere in my post? I frankly could care less what a liberal thinks about Floyd. But I worry deeply how he is perceived by black urban culture.
 
As I tried to point out, there are a host of reasons for the collapse of the black family structure in this country.

If we use 1960 as a baseline, 20-22% of black children lived in single-parent households. Over the next two decades between 1960 and 1980 single parentage rose to nearly 50% by 1980. The numbers peaked over the next two decades rising to just over 55% in the mid-1990's. It has gone down in recent years but remains plateaued at roughly 47-50%. Hardly a triumph in the restoration of a stable family environments for half of this country's black children.

It is political gamesmanship to point to a single factor driving this persistent pattern. Most serious students of the issue point to proud economic changes broad economic changes, urban manufacturing declines, changes in welfare policy design, and shifting social norms in the black community (and more broadly) regarding marriage. And yes, drug related sentencing also played a role - as did an explosion of inner city crime that corresponded to the crack epidemic leading to those more draconian sentencing guidelines.

Nothing is simple and nothing is the exclusive "fault" of either political party or administration. No matter where bias leads our finger pointing, fatherless households remain a significant persistent, now sixty years and counting, problem within the black community that has improved only marginally. So long as conditions encourage the George Floyd's of the inner city to be the role models and heroes of black youth, little is likely to change.

One factor I'd point out is the shift to manufacturing overseas. You don't see a lot of black factory workers here in the USA. I am talking about the guy who puts in his 8-4, 7-3, whatever it is, then goes home to change and spend time with his family.

But, you really don't see factory workers in the USA...whether white, black, etc.

Now...

There are no factory workers. It's robots. Or it's made in China or Vietnam.

Whether it's politically correct or not, they did not have the education or skillset to work in other fields, so they worked hard in a factory with good benefits.

Now that's basically gone.
 
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The one thing I've also had a problem with is we make this a "black" thing. Really it occurs in all races. Here in NJ, outside of urban populations, we have the same issue with lack of opportunities. Some of the more rural towns here (yes, we have them) are a mess.

Terrible school systems, lack of extracurricular programs, poor peer groups with emphasis on drug usage, loafing around, etc. It's a known thing too. I don't want to name towns but one near me is known as "the hill people." Huge town, 80 sq miles. Tons of drug usage. Most of the HS graduates, the ones that make it, end up in menial jobs/careers, and just fulfill the cycle.

That particular town is 80% white.

Parenting is the key piece of the puzzle. You have to show up, be there, for your kid. As a parent of two young kids, I remind myself of that every day. Not a race thing. You just need to show up and be a good parent.
 
One thing people do not realize and it was pointed out to me at least in CA, anyway. In construction a lot of the dry wall, roofing companies etc. were either owned by blacks or employed a lot of black workers in the past. Now, the black owned companies are gone and black workers are replaced by migrant labor as they are less expensive. A lot of job opportunities have disappeared from the black community. Heck, my pool maintenance, yard maintenance, car wash service, house cleaning service are all Hispanic. They are not just making minimum wage either.

In retrospect, I have been on 4 project construction sites recently, I have not seen a single black person working.
White people were out there too!! I have a nephew who was let go from a job because the crew became majority Hispanic and he didn't hable'
 
One thing people do not realize and it was pointed out to me at least in CA, anyway. In construction a lot of the dry wall, roofing companies etc. were either owned by blacks or employed a lot of black workers in the past. Now, the black owned companies are gone and black workers are replaced by migrant labor as they are less expensive. A lot of job opportunities have disappeared from the black community. Heck, my pool maintenance, yard maintenance, car wash service, house cleaning service are all Hispanic. They are not just making minimum wage either.

In retrospect, I have been on 4 project construction sites recently, I have not seen a single black person working.

@Tanks its actually worse than you may perceive. Women, and African-American women are extreme entrepreneurs. When you hear about black owned business stats, they are extremely tilted to African-American women.

The problem: African American woman entrepreneurs are statistically just as limited-value on the whole as any other race of woman entrepreneur. They disproportionately tilt towards non-scalable small businesses that are for women as clients. (e.g. Health and Beauty, multilevel marketing, discretionary spend) Sorry that is a bit of a misogynistic take, but the data on women owned businesses is pretty grim because they self-select for less lucrative endeavors. For every U-Line and In-And-Out burger, there are 500,000 press-on-nail and hair product companies. Success at scale is an abberation for Burt's Bees and Spanx in that segment.

If you filter on just males (the sex that builds and maintains the world), African-American males are way behind and its a real shame. I pray that more African-American youth enter the trades, everyone would be better off and they'd be filthy rich. The trades tend to be one of the best careers that leads to company ownership.
 
I’m reminded of a couple photos I saw awhile back. One picture showed the first day of school at a predominantly black elementary school in north St. Louis county back in the 1950s. All the kids were nicely dressed. Their parents (mom and dad) were standing behind their kids and the dads wore jackets, ties and sported fedoras. Moms were all in dresses. The second photo was of the first day of school at the same elementary school in 2025. No dads. The moms were dressed in work out clothes mostly. It’s all about culture….and the last 70 years has been a catastrophe for the urban black community.
 
One thing people do not realize and it was pointed out to me at least in CA, anyway. In construction a lot of the dry wall, roofing companies etc. were either owned by blacks or employed a lot of black workers in the past. Now, the black owned companies are gone and black workers are replaced by migrant labor as they are less expensive. A lot of job opportunities have disappeared from the black community. Heck, my pool maintenance, yard maintenance, car wash service, house cleaning service are all Hispanic. They are not just making minimum wage either.

In retrospect, I have been on 4 project construction sites recently, I have not seen a single black person working.
When Jimmy Carter opened up South Florida to Cuban migrants in the late 70's the starting pay for construction workers in Florida dropped by 15% within 2 years; then Reagan doubled down on the idiocy and gave 6 million illegals amnesty.......

Your hispanic service crews are not making minimum wage because labor contractors have learned that with illegals comes higher profits and if they don't keep their illegals happy their illegal labor source will find another "labor contractor" to work for. On the other hand if American workers try to find a better job they have to compete with illegal labor wages; and those illegals don't mind living 5 people in a 750sqft apartment; just like the H1 visa workers flooding to Texas.
 
If you filter on just males (the sex that builds and maintains the world), African-American males are way behind and its a real shame. I pray that more African-American youth enter the trades, everyone would be better off and they'd be filthy rich. The trades tend to be one of the best careers that leads to company ownership.

Everyone is screaming trades today, and I agree; the problem is that public education in this country has done every thing possible to destroy trades classes in school, while at the same time telling every student that if they didn't go to college "for any degree" then they would end up poor and flipping burgers.

In 2002 I graduated high school and we had CAD, Metal shop, Machine shop & Ag Mechanics; I was the county welding champion that year with a 12x6 trailer with BBQ smoker, grill, propane burner, 14' of wrap around counter top, wood rack, stairs and leveling jacks - ALL CUSTOM FABRICATED BY ME.

The next year the school shut down all shop classes!

My senior "life skills" teacher Mr. Cosper told us........
"You MUST get a degree, get a degree in ANYTHING and you will make more money; figure out how to pay for it later because you'll be making MORE MONEY!"

So I graduated college with two degrees(agriculture & marketing) and the first job I had after college, one of my heavy equipment mechanics was exactly my age and had attended two semesters of specialty diesel repair school and was making $10K a year more than I was and had been making that money for years, bought a home, had a family and a classic car in the garage and was buying a rent house.

Trades was something destroyed systematically over the last 40 years and it's not going to come back over night and honestly many of the teachers needed for those courses don't exist anymore, and LOTS of those trades have been destroyed in favor of CHEAP pos workmanship done by illegals - such as brick laying.

FYI - Winston Churchill was a MASTER brick mason that continued to build things his entire life; he said it was his best way of dealing with stress.
 
I’m reminded of a couple photos I saw awhile back. One picture showed the first day of school at a predominantly black elementary school in north St. Louis county back in the 1950s. All the kids were nicely dressed. Their parents (mom and dad) were standing behind their kids and the dads wore jackets, ties and sported fedoras. Moms were all in dresses. The second photo was of the first day of school at the same elementary school in 2025. No dads. The moms were dressed in work out clothes mostly. It’s all about culture….and the last 70 years has been a catastrophe for the urban black community.

This has changed so much. Not just wit the black community. When I was a kid, in the 1980's, you started to see it a little bit. Sweatpants, baggy t shirts, etc. I remember bitching to my mother I wanted to dress like "all the other kids" and the answer was absolutely not. I wore nice, freshly washed jeans, a nice shirt, and sneakers. Not exactly a fedora and suit, but presentable. High school was private, so it was all uniforms. College, that's where I feel like my generation might have been the last to value self-image and respect.

You did have some kids wearing pajamas to class but they were the loafs. Usually failed out of classes, pulled out from the university, and went no where. The girls typically came dressed to the nines. Makeup, hair done, nicely dressed. The guys wore jeans with a nice clean shirt. I mean listen, we were there to learn but hey, you want to try to meet a nice girl right? Dress to impress? Dress for success?

Now? Good lord. Workout clothes, pajamas, baggy sweatpants, are all the norm.

Self image and with that, self respect, has gone down the tubes. I am blessed to have an old-school wife. Our kids are always out and about with nicely matched outfits, kept hair, clean sneakers, etc.
 
Your hispanic service crews are not making minimum wage because labor contractors have learned that with illegals comes higher profits and if they don't keep their illegals happy their illegal labor source will find another "labor contractor" to work for. On the other hand if American workers try to find a better job they have to compete with illegal labor wages; and those illegals don't mind living 5 people in a 750sqft apartment; just like the H1 visa workers flooding to Texas.
My Hispanic crews are not illegal though. The first generation might have been illegal, their competition, which in my example were black laborers, have been driven off the market. I pay $150 for 2 hours for 2 ladies to clean. So, comes to $37.50 per hour per person. Once they get here, they do not stop until they leave. BTW, all of the principals get a 1099.
 
Foreign Policy in Shambles
Trump Botches Pretty Much Everything
A commentary by Volker Petersen

As US President, Trump presides over the wealthiest, most powerful, and most influential country. He is doing everything he can to undermine this status. US President Trump set out to make America great again. Yet examples such as Iran, Gaza, and North Korea show that he is achieving the opposite. How much longer can the United States afford this president?

You can think of Donald Trump as a gamer—and as US President, he is playing on the easiest difficulty setting. Everything is laid out for him: he heads the greatest military power, the largest economy, and the most culturally influential nation. If he makes mistakes—even serious ones—hardly anyone dares to criticize him. He is forgiven for almost anything because few foreign governments want to get on his bad side.

Trump himself uses the language of gaming. He constantly talks about other countries "winning" against the USA. Yet Trump is playing a game he does not understand. He presses buttons at random, without grasping the consequences he is triggering. Sometimes it works out well, as in the case of Venezuela. Sometimes allies manage to limit the damage, as with Greenland. Sometimes it leads to a rash attack, as with Iran. And sometimes he alienates his closest allies, such as South Korea.

Yet now, less than two years into his second term, the standing of the United States lies in ruins. For a global power, this might not be so catastrophic, provided its influence remained intact. But Trump is doing everything in his power to destroy America’s ability to assert itself on the world stage as well. He is left facing the wreckage of his policies.

For this is one of Trump’s fundamental misconceptions—one that contributes to undermining U.S. global influence. He believes that alliances benefit only the weaker partners and that the U.S. would be stronger on its own. The opposite is true. The fact that the U.S. has strong allies across the globe—in Europe, the Middle East, and East Asia—has always been the foundation of its power, not a weakness. Yet Trump treats partners like parasites—as seen recently with the Europeans regarding the Greenland issue. He recently threatened to utterly devastate Oman, a key ally in the Middle East. Now, South Korea is coming under heavy fire.

Trump is not going to change. Yet he will carry on like this for at least another two years. How long can the United States afford that? During the election campaign, Trump once claimed that other countries were laughing at the US. Right-wing populists around the world rail in this same way against what they call the "mainstream" and the "establishment"—even though they have no way of knowing who abroad might be laughing or not. But if anyone is laughing at the US now, the ones doing the laughing are likely in Moscow and Beijing.
 

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