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[Tbitty]

Actually, I would consider the bombing of (not a war) Iran an overwhelming success at this point. We set back their nuclear program a couple decades, have depleted their munitions supply drastically, and showed off how big of a force we are without really even trying.

The only real fuck-up, is that Europe and other Allies had a chance to be a part of that force but instead showed their weakness.

Looks like @LivingTheDream replied faster than I did.

 

[KJE81]

Actually, I would consider the bombing of (not a war) Iran an overwhelming success at this point. We set back their nuclear program a couple decades, have depleted their munitions supply drastically, and showed off how big of a force we are without really even trying.

The only real fuck-up, is that Europe and other Allies had a chance to be a part of that force but instead showed their weakness.

I dont argue against setting back the Iranian nuclear programs a couple of decades or think that setting back their nuclear program is a bad thing, but I do think that if Trump/the US truly wanted Europe and other Allies to be part of that force then Trump should have at least tried to build a coalition similar to that of the Bush presidents did before their wars in the middle east.

 

[KJE81]

I doubt you will get any argument here on Trumps often ridiculous statements or “weave” as he calls it. But he has always been bombastic, self centered and childish.

Many thought Biden had slid into dementia also. I did not. I thought he also has always been himself. An doofus half wit that has always struggled with the truth. And a simple creature of the swamp.

I think that both of them were clearly far to old for the job when they were elected...there really should be an age cap for assuming the position as the most powerful man in the world, and apparantly also the hardest job on the planet...

Regarding swamp creatures there seem to be a few of them in the Trump administration aswell: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cge0grppe3po

 

[Tbitty]

I dont argue against setting back the Iranian nuclear programs a couple of decades or think that setting back their nuclear program is a bad thing, but I do think that if Trump/the US truly wanted Europe and other Allies to be part of that force then Trump should have at least tried to build a coalition similar to that of the Bush presidents did before their wars in the middle east.

We (US) don't need participation for the current operations. All the Europeans had to do was say "good job, we support you" but instead went the other way with their words and actions. Even an artificial show of force, simply by saying they are on our side, would have been all it took.

 

[AJ Peacock]

You went into this war with 2 goals:

Regime change and seizing whatever enriched uranium they posess..

None are achieved..no one knows where the uranium is..

All I see is destruction in the western gulf states by Iran and destruction in Iran..

LNG production will be low until rebuilt..same for refineries on both sides..

The world is facing a global energy crisis...that not seems to bother either USA or Israel..

The Strait is de facto closed and will remain so as long as iranian traffic is denied, unless the US unleash a major military operation to reopen it..

Is it not overly arrogant to claim that Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. should step in and clean up the mess..?

A war nobody was consulted on or asked to participate in..?

NO, the stated goals were as follows (from AI)
Stated U.S. goals against Iran in 2026, driven by "Operation Epic Fury," focused on destroying military capabilities and preventing nuclear proliferation. Primary objectives included eliminating Iran's ballistic missile systems, obliterating missile production facilities, destroying the Iranian navy, neutralizing regional proxy forces (Hezbollah, Hamas), and stopping their nuclear program.


Nice try rewriting history, but it doesn't work well when the 'history' is only a few weeks old.

AJ

 

[Pondoro]

The straits ARE open. Iran does not CONTROL anything at this point. Unlike after the Obama deal.

The issue remains the private owners of those vessels and their insurance companies.

If you want to see who is really running the straits watch how quickly the U.S. marines take over an Iranian flagged ship. But the U.S. can’t force owners to risk a random attack by some flunky in a Boston Whaler with a Dushka

You hit the nail here.. The US cannot force shipowners risk sailing under these conditions. The Iranians know that and thus control Hormuz.. The question is, what are you going to do about it..?

 

[AJ Peacock]

You hit the nail here.. The US cannot force shipowners risk sailing under these conditions. The Iranians know that and thus control Hormuz.. The question is, what are you going to do about it..?

Possibly :
1) Continue Mine sweeping operations.
2) Continue negotiating toward an agreement.
3) Open up the bomb doors again against the IRGC if the above 2 don't work.
4) Rinse and repeat.

Operation Epic Fury started Feb 28th, 2026. I think that's 50 days so far!

AJ

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

I was merely pointing out that he does not seems to be fully there sometimes, not that I have watched all his speeches, but in quite a few of those I actually have watched he seems more like an old man rambling than a world leader/statesman. But thats just a personal opinion, and who knows, perhaps he is just faking it for some reason

Wait, are you referring to Trump or Biden?

 

[mdwest]

You went into this war with 2 goals:

Regime change and seizing whatever enriched uranium they posess..

That’s what the media told you… it’s not what the US government has said in an official capacity…

Perhaps you should read the official statements from the white house and the dept of defense instead..

At the onset of the war there were 3 stated goals.. these drove the mission requirements for the bombing campaign…

1. Destroy Irans ballistic missiles capability
2. Destroy Ian’s Navy
3. Destroy Irans defense industrial complex (including its nuclear assets)

The Israelis and US also jointly agreed that the war should stop Iran support of its Middle East proxies…

AFTER the was was well underway as many as 11 additional justifications have been mentioned by US and Israeli leadership (something very different than a goal)..

These include regime change being needed, punishment for domestic repression, preempt a planned Iranian attack, and others…

And… the war isn’t over yet… it is yet to be seen if those goals have been met, will be met, or if they will change…

 

[mdwest]

I dont argue against setting back the Iranian nuclear programs a couple of decades or think that setting back their nuclear program is a bad thing, but I do think that if Trump/the US truly wanted Europe and other Allies to be part of that force then Trump should have at least tried to build a coalition similar to that of the Bush presidents did before their wars in the middle east.

You have to trust those allies first if you want to attempt to do that…

He doesn’t Trust Europe or NATO… many believe that his lack of trust is well earned..

 

[Pondoro]

Europe and the rest of NATO dont trust Trump either..touche´

 

[Boyd Brooks]

Europe and the rest of NATO dont trust Trump either..touche´

No, it’s only socialist liberals that don’t support Trump.

 

[deewayne2003]

Europe and the rest of NATO dont trust Trump either..touche´

Rest of NATO?..... The USA has been ALL of NATO for decades and I'm sure the freeloaders don't trust the man who slapped the tit out of their mouth.

 

[AJ Peacock]

Europe and the rest of NATO dont trust Trump either..touche´

Finally, you say something I agree with! If you think their distrust of Trump because of his belligerance and threats are accidental, you are wrong. His approach has lead to them being more concerned with spending on their own defense and lowering their reliance on the US. This is good for the US and good for all those NATO "Allies".

Go read the rules of Chess and stop thinking we are playing checkers.

AJ

 

[mdwest]

Europe and the rest of NATO dont trust Trump either..touche´

Which is exactly why a coalition formed before the initial attack is a nonsense discussion… and exactly why it didn’t happen..

That said (as said numerous times before)… if you’re not going to be involved, those that are involved couldn’t care less about your wants, needs, demands, or otherwise..

No play = no say

All the crying on earth won’t change that…

 

[Pondoro]

We can agree on that Dave. We stay out of it and leave it to you and Israel to clean up the mess.

Following..

 

[Big_Easy]

70.000 arabs killed in Gaza..and you lechture me who is evil..?? Oh, arab lives dont matter, only jews.

Yes, I believe the current israeli admin. is bordering on being evil. Not that I like the mullahs in Iran..

Besides, who started this war..? How many innocent civilians killed lately in south Lebanon..Iran..?

Oh, they all harboured Hezbollah..

Remember @Pondoro not only are they the wrong color, they're also the wrong religion, plus they are poor…three strikes and they're out!

 

[cwpayton]

Joseph Goebbels would applaud. The evil Jew and his machinations undermining an Aryan Nordic Elysium.

ELYSIUM == any place or condition of idea bliss or complete happiness. paradise. "websters". I indeed can learn something new and share with you other less educated hicks. ALL this time I thot ELYSIUM meant California.

 

[Big_Easy]

It is not staged..

Israel admits its soldier smashed Jesus statue in Lebanon - Türkiye Today

Israel confirmed a soldier smashed a Jesus Christ statue in the Christian village of Debl in southern Lebanon, calling it 'grave and disgraceful'

www.turkiyetoday.com

The Israeli's have been persecuting Christian Palestinians for many years, this is nothing new.

 

[Big_Easy]

No, no...again you got it all wrong..Trump actually praised us the other day for our oil & gas production..

He's like Schrödinger’s president. He loves and hates you all at the same time. You just never know which is which. Or maybe thats some bi-polar disorder?