Politics

[Altitude sickness]

Biden put the Taliban in charge of security at Abbey gate during the failed Afghanistan withdrawal. Several of Biden’s military leaders executed a terrible strategy to abandon a more secure base to withdraw from.

Some of his Military leaders warned against that plan and he overruled them.

Imagine If you will. Biden or Chlamydia were President during the F15 crew rescue.

They would have immediately apologized to the world for contributing to climate change. They would have begged Iran to return the pilots. Sent cash and immediately withdrawn. And Would never have sent in that rescue team.

And would have left Iran under threat of our pilot being killed.

But first. We wouldn’t even be there if Clamydia were President and Iran would be joining North Korea. Threatening the world with Nukes.

Liberal leadership would apologize and appease their way to Nuclear war.

 

[Tanks]

Hitting the bridges and infrastructure is the last resort. The military strategists have an order of priority. If the Iranian leaders don’t comply with demands the complete ruination is on them.

If I remember right the bridge that was destroyed had mixed military and civilian usage. BTW, would they be able to continue manufacturing more drones without power?

Personally, I would strike at their oil infrastructure, Kharg island specifically. No money, no funding. The Iranians are already hitting Gulf states’ refineries etc..

 

[WAB]

If I remember right the bridge that was destroyed had mixed military and civilian usage. BTW, would they be able to continue manufacturing more drones without power?

Personally, I would strike at their oil infrastructure, Kharg island specifically. No money, no funding. The Iranians are already hitting Gulf states’ refineries etc..

Depending what they hit in a refinery, they could be putting it out of production for 24+ months. I don’t know the right answer, but that is not a decision to be taken lightly.

Iran is +2% of global refining capacity. Take that out and double it with retaliatory strikes on ME refineries while Ukraine continues to pound Russian facilities, and we have a global fuel supply problem. And in the midst of all this, California is doing their utmost to drive some of our best refineries out of business.

 

[mdwest]

Trump's former ally and current critic Marjorie Taylor Greene took to social media to launch a scathing attack on the US president. She urged everyone in his administration who calls themselves a Christian to get on their knees, ask God for forgiveness, stop "god-baiting" the president, and confront Trump's "madness." The former Republican congresswoman, who held staunchly conservative positions for years during her time in Congress, continued: "I know all of you and him, and he's gone insane, and you're all complicit."

Someone as bat shit crazy as MTG calling Trump insane doesn’t have a whole lot of credibility..

If the same comment came from someone that’s not a lunatic themselves it would potentially be worth considering…

Hearing it from MTG however you might as well have a chimp calling a vervet “hairy”…

 

[mdwest]

You keep missing the point that quite a number here don’t care about Trump on a personal level but support most of his policies. There is a big distinction. Biden was “nice”, look at what it brought us.

1000% spot on…

 

[Altitude sickness]

I’m confident that the plans that have been drafted and shelved for decades then dusted off and updated/revised for this war. Include the contingency of infrastructure destruction.

And I’m sure it will not be a complete destruction.

Wouldn’t it be nice if the new leaders wanted a prosperous, thriving Iranian society. And choose to end it.

 

[Killingtime]

If I remember right the bridge that was destroyed had mixed military and civilian usage. BTW, would they be able to continue manufacturing more drones without power?

Personally, I would strike at their oil infrastructure, Kharg island specifically. No money, no funding. The Iranians are already hitting Gulf states’ refineries etc..

They could manufacture some drones if they have generator infrastructure(hospitals operate during major hurricanes with generators and can make their own power and water) I know Mayo Clinic does it. I would think Iran would have built that infrastructure but let’s hope they did not.

On the oil you guys maybe way more informed but I saw that there was only 5 times in modern history with global oil shortage 1973,79,1990,2005-08,2021-22. And only 1973 had a 7-10% global shortage the other 4 periods were less then 5%.
After each of those periods it was pretty rough on the global markets as a whole.

They say we are close to those levels with all the different factors going on in the world right now. Even though Iran produces roughly 3-4 percent of the global supply because of the other countries disruption in the area .

 

[Killingtime]

Depending what they hit in a refinery, they could be putting it out of production for 24+ months. I don’t know the right answer, but that is not a decision to be taken lightly.

Iran is +2% of global refining capacity. Take that out and double it with retaliatory strikes on ME refineries while Ukraine continues to pound Russian facilities, and we have a global fuel supply problem. And in the midst of all this, California is doing their utmost to drive some of our best refineries out of business.

I saw it was 2% because of sanctions and recent estimates make it 3-4%.
California try’s to drive out every business that actually impacts your life in a positive way out of business.

 

[RLD]

Two things can be true at the same time. There are alot of great Muslims, and many contribute to the betterment of society.

You can also have unchecked immigration that exploits a countries laws and kindness to bring an subset of a culture that has no plans to assimilate or better that society.

I specifically quoted your "friend" comment because he married a Christian and didnt make her convert, that is not what/who Spike is talking about.

You are quite right.

But the immigration into England was never "unchecked." It was planned by the British government because they had a labour shortage, needed to rebuild their country after WWII, and had created their own obligations by making many muslim areas part of their empire. It was not like these people were coming from countries that had not been subject to British rule. They were, many of them British subjects, subject to the same Crown I was (am). There was very little "kindness" about the British policy as many people of colour and muslims were not at all well treated when they came to England, through programs designed to attract them.

 

[deewayne2003]

Do you actually know any muslims? Some of them are awesome and make great contributions to society, including western society, every day. More than you or I do that is for sure.

I find that most ignorant hateful people tend not to spend any time with the people they like to generalize about.

Let me take a moment to tell you about a couple of the muslim guys I spent some time with this weekend.

Yesterday I played tennis with a muslim doctor who was just elevated to the highest level of the Order of Canada. Why? Because he is one of the world's best lung transplant surgeons and has developed a number of ways to reduce infections after lung transplants that has saved thousands of lives across the world. I can tell you, I am sure happy that he is in my country and I sure wouldn't trade him for you.

And let me tell you about the muslim doctor I am having Easter dinner with tonight (his wife is Christian and hosts an awesome easter dinner). He is a top doc in reducing mortality rates post thoracic surgery. He leads a great hospital here in Canada and is a highly sought after teacher all across the world and particularly in the U.K. His work is also responsible for saving thousands if not tens of thousands of lives. I am very happy that he emigrated from South Africa to Canada and I wouldn't trade him for you either.

Now, if you were born in England (which is what I suspect you are saying) and you have some big issue about muslims immigrating there I find that kinda funny. Because unless you missed it England decided that they would build an empire and took over a number of muslim areas. The fact that some muslims then decided to emigrate to the country that invaded and ruled theirs should not come as a massive surprise to you.

In fact if you are familiar with the Windrush era, you would know that jolly old England had a massive labour shortage and encouraged the emigration of huge numbers of colonials to keep the economy humming and to rebuild the damage of WWII. England needed and invited millions of muslims, rather than there being some conspiracy to send muslims to England. I guess forgetting history just makes it a lot easier to hate the outsider.

Or maybe you are just not happy about the fact that there are a number of muslim owned and run hunting outfitters doing well in Zambia now.

2:36 worth your time.....

 

[Red Leg]

Hitting the bridges and infrastructure is the last resort. The military strategists have an order of priority. If the Iranian leaders don’t comply with demands the complete ruination is on them.

The infrastructure destruction is the last resort because it could cause a huge refugee exodus into surrounding nations. Which none of them would accept.

On the flip side. Those same GCC nations are telling Trump to keep going.

Once again. It’s Saudi Arabia and the GCC pulling the strings. Not Israel.

In the target planning I did (artillerymen serve as Fire Support Coordinators), most admittedly never executed (at least not yet), bridges, railroads, transport hubs and the like are a very different category than economic infrastructure. The former are normally considered operational targets and fall under Air Interdiction. They are struck in order to shape the ground battle, either immediate or in preparation. Typically, economic targets are of a strategic nature because they affect the ability of an adversary to prolong a conflict.

From a target selection perspective, Air Force planners, as opposed to the joint force, traditionally identified targets as Counter Air, Infrastructure and Strategic Attack. Infrastructure included transportation networks.

Emerging Air Force doctrine seems to be quite a bit more fluid. They now seem intent on using terms like Deliberate and Dynamic targeting; critical Nodal attack; and Targeting Without Sanctuary. Not sure what all that means in practical terms. I see little difference in the basic characterizations.

In the case of Iran, I am would have assumed that transportation networks would be a very high priority following the counter air defense campaign and critical to the success of the counter IRBM campaign. Iran's ballistic missile inventory is mobile. Anything that limits the mobility, resupply, and rearming of those assets would seem a very high priority. Such strikes would also be critical to limit the mobility of the IRGC should any raids or limited occupation be planned.

Finally, while any number of international players are seeking to influence this operation, I reject the idea the GCC or Israel is somehow in control of this campaign.

 

[RLD]

Actually, I'm more concerned about things like this:

Man who 'married' care home girl, 15, guilty of sex abuse

The victim was sexually abused by groups of men from the age of 13 in West Yorkshire, a court hears.

www.bbc.com

You should be. Child abuse is terrible.

But one of the things we know about child sexual abuse, is that it is prevalent in all cultures, and even all denominations. It is not a particularly islamic problem.

For instance, in my home province of Ontario, there was a massive child abuse ring in Prescott Ontario, where it was all boring white bread people involved, totally WASP top to bottom.

Or this more recent operation: https://www.ctvnews.ca/northern-ont...ild-sexual-exploitation-ring-39-charges-laid/

All of accused in that last one (so far) are caucasian, and not likely muslim.

 

[RLD]

2:36 worth your time.....

I have worked, lived among and had muslim friends my whole life. My wife lived in Saudi for a number of years. I honestly don't need a two minute youtube video by that chap to help me understand the good and bad of Islam in the world.

However if you are forming your opinion of that billion plus muslims in the world based on videos like that, it explains a fair bit.

 

[Altitude sickness]

In the target planning I did (artillerymen serve as Fire Support Coordinators), most admittedly never executed (at least not yet), bridges, railroads, transport hubs and the like are a very different category than economic infrastructure. The former are normally considered operational targets and fall under Air Interdiction. They are struck in order to shape the ground battle, either immediate or in preparation. Typically, economic targets are of a strategic nature because they affect the ability of an adversary to prolong a conflict.

From a target selection perspective, Air Force planners, as opposed to the joint force, traditionally identified targets as Counter Air, Infrastructure and Strategic Attack. Infrastructure included transportation networks.

Emerging Air Force doctrine seems to be quite a bit more fluid. They now seem intent on using terms like Deliberate and Dynamic targeting; critical Nodal attack; and Targeting Without Sanctuary. Not sure what all that means in practical terms. I see little difference in the basic characterizations.

In the case of Iran, I am would have assumed that transportation networks would be a very high priority following the counter air defense campaign and critical to the success of the counter IRBM campaign. Iran's ballistic missile inventory is mobile. Anything that limits the mobility, resupply, and rearming of those assets would seem a very high priority. Such strikes would also be critical to limit the mobility of the IRGC should any raids or limited occupation be planned.

Finally, while any number of international players are seeking to influence this operation, I reject the idea the GCC or Israel is somehow in control of this campaign.

I did not intend to infer the GCC is in control. Only to counter the Marjorie Taylor Greene contingent of Israel space lazer commandos. That Israel is pulling Trump and the U.S. strings.

I put forward that the GCC has more yes or no veto power than BiBi. Everyone knows BiBi is a yes vote. During Trumps July 2025 visits to the Gulf states. A check was added to the Pro column of attacking Iran.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I have worked, lived among and had muslim friends my whole life. My wife lived in Saudi for a number of years. I honestly don't need a two minute youtube video by that chap to help me understand the good and bad of Islam in the world.

However if you are forming your opinion of that billion plus muslims in the world based on videos like that, it explains a fair bit.

We all fall victim to allowing our own governments to spin who is the next enemy.
When you travel. You realize the population of every nation are simply humans. Often it’s the tribal war lords that cause or spin hatred for the foe.

 

[RLD]

Jeez you are so repetitively boring...as I said you still haven't a clue what I am talking about...and I don't need any history lessons either...and I think I possibly know a bit more about the hunting industry in zambia than you do....but you seem to be a self proclaimed expert on everything.....and yes I do know Muslims here and are friends..even ones involved in the hunting industry here believe it or not....so yeah as I said you haven't a clue what I am talking about or point I was making...but then I am not a smart arsed condescending liberal lawyer...so am obviously too uneducated to make my point understandable to you....so I will excuse myself from conducting any more repartee with you, as it's too much wasted time ....

Enjoy your time worrying about how King Charles says nice things to muslims.

A good friend's cousin is now adding hunting operations to his business in South Luangwa, and I just got an invite to go there next year. If the schedule works I may well take him up on it.

 

[RLD]

President trump never said he was a Christian. And even if a man says they are a Christian that doesn’t make you one faith does. On the allah part I believe he was mocking them.

While Trump is hard to nail down, he did say these things after the assassination attempt that make hims sound Christian:

"God alone saved me that day for a righteous purpose: to restore our beloved Republic"

 

[mdwest]

They could manufacture some drones if they have generator infrastructure(hospitals operate during major hurricanes with generators and can make their own power and water) I know Mayo Clinic does it. I would think Iran would have built that infrastructure but let’s hope they did not.

Generators are a short term fix to a long term problem.. they are very expensive to maintain, require constant maintenance, are very expensive to replace, and have a relatively short service life compared to actual long term energy infrastructure..

Could they continue to manufacture drones for a short while in a limited capacity? sure..

Could they continue to manufacture drones at the same rate they currently are for any measurable period of time? absolutely not..

Theyd also have to have substantial generator power already in place, ready to flip the switch as soon as the power goes out, etc..

And.. if those generators arent already in place, where are they coming from? Moving industrial sized generators is something that gets done on ships.. and all of Irans ports are closed..

If the current generators get blown up.. where do the replacements come from?

 

[spike.t]

Enjoy your time worrying about how King Charles says nice things to muslims.

A good friend's cousin is now adding hunting operations to his business in South Luangwa, and I just got an invite to go there next year. If the schedule works I may well take him up on it.

Fk me one more time you haven't got a clue what I am talking about or point I am making.....for a supposed lawyer you are seriously fkn dumb ....I honestly can't be bothered reading your drivvle anymore....you can join the other 2 or 3 muppets on my ignore list...

 

[fourfive8]

RLD- What in the hell does South Luangwa (Natl Park or section of the river?) have to do with King Chuck and Muslims? My paternal side grandmother was from Quebec, therefore I’m entitled to make some disjointed comment about a fkttard liberal lawyer from Toronto Canada? What a jackwagon!

Not even mentioning that grandmother was a piece of crap who no one in the family could stand after she abandoned her family and kids to pursue some libtard lifestyle in Chicago. But I digress