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[Frostbite]

This is also some excellent writing about who owns the land.

The ethnic cleansing, massacres and colonialism needed to establish Israel can never be justified, regardless of who was there first. It’s a moot point. Even if we follow the argument that Palestinians have only been there for 1300 years, does this suddenly legitimize the expulsion of hundreds of thousands? Of course not. There is no possible scenario where it is excusable to ethnically cleanse a people and colonize their lands. Human rights apply to people universally, regardless of whether they have lived in an area for a year or ten thousand years.

Myth: Palestinians are Arabs that arrived in the 7th century | Decolonize Palestine

Attempts to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by claiming Palestinians are Arabs who arrived in the 7th century are not only despicable, but reveal a shocking ignorance about the history of the Middle East.

decolonizepalestine.com

 

[Altitude sickness]

Pretty sure Palestinians haven’t even been called Palestinians until the 19th century.

 

[Altitude sickness]

There were older references to the words Palistine and phillistines. But Palestinians in the modern world is much newer than Israel and Jewish people.

 

[Frostbite]

There were older references to the words Palistine and phillistines. But Palestinians in the modern world is much newer than Israel and Jewish people.

Remember this?

The ethnic cleansing, massacres and colonialism needed to establish Israel can never be justified, regardless of who was there first. It’s a moot point. Even if we follow the argument that Palestinians have only been there for 1300 years, does this suddenly legitimize the expulsion of hundreds of thousands? Of course not. There is no possible scenario where it is excusable to ethnically cleanse a people and colonize their lands. Human rights apply to people universally, regardless of whether they have lived in an area for a year or ten thousand years.

Ponder it.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Now let’s remove the argument who was there first.

A hypothetical situation.

If my neighbor has a houseguest (Hamas) that keeps shooting my dog and killing my family members, we have a problem and I’m going to come after you and your houseguest until you are gone. Both of you.

October 7th is what we are talking about. One side punches the other in the face. then gets their ass kicked, then cry’s about unfair warfare.

It’s called deterrence. Make it so painful. Hamas won’t try another Oct 7th.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Actual image of @Frostbite constructing his 'arguments' to share on AH...

 

[HuntingGold]

Its rare, very rare, that I use the ignore button... however, I found it.

 

[Flipper Dude]

Its rare, very rare, that I use the ignore button... however, I found it.

I’m afraid it’s called for, but you’ll still have to read the rebuttals. Only hope for this thread in the near future is complete silence on his posts. I know. It’s damn hard……

 

[Frostbite]

Now let’s remove the argument who was there first.

A hypothetical situation.

If my neighbor has a houseguest (Hamas) that keeps shooting my dog and killing my family members, we have a problem and I’m going to come after you and your houseguest until you are gone. Both of you.

October 7th is what we are talking about. One side punches the other in the face. then gets their ass kicked, then cry’s about unfair warfare.

It’s called deterrence. Make it so painful. Hamas won’t try another Oct 7th.

October 7th was a result of the 100 year ethnic cleansing and mass murder.

Not the other way around.

 

[LivingTheDream]

What if your neighbor had been driving you and your relatives off your property for almost 100 years?

https://www.rahs-open-lid.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Masalha-Nur-Expulsion-of-the-Palestinians_-The-Concept-of-_Transfer_-in-Zionist-Political-Thought-1882-1948-Institute-for-Palestine-Studies-2012.pdf

Did you post a paper written by the Institute for Palenstine studies?

Want me to get you the paper that Putin wrote about how Ukraine is Russia.

 

[Frostbite]

And Trump gets played again.............Putin--Netanyahu.............both control him.

Of course, he really doesn't care.

He's making deals on the side to make a fortune.

Israeli lawmakers advance West Bank annexation bills despite Trump's past objection as Vance visits

President Trump said in September he would not back an Israeli annexation of the West Bank.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Frostbite]

Did you post a paper written by the Institute for Palenstine studies?

Want me to get you the paper that Putin wrote about how Ukraine is Russia.

Read the post above.

 

[skydiver386]

Interesting. The entire "Israel stole the land" narrative is a lie.

 

[Frostbite]

"Transfer."

As we have seen, the notion of transfer was born almost at the same time as political Zionism itself, with Herzl’s hope to “spirit the penniless population across the border.” The desire to have a Land of Israel unencumbered by a native population was a constant in Zionist thought, but it was tempered with a great deal of pragmatism on the part of the Zionist leadership and even at times considerable skepticism as to its practicability. Transfer as a seriously discussed option ebbed and flowed, receding to the background when the Yishuv felt itself vulnerable or when other priorities commanded attention, thrust to the forefront with the gathering strength of the Yishuv or when external events seemed to favor it. Thus, as the early hopes that the native population would soon “fold their tents and steal away” gave way to awareness of the fierce Palestinian attachment to the land, talk of transfer dwindled to intermittent almost offhanded efforts or references more in the nature of trial balloons. It was not until the mid-1930s that therapidly shifting balance of power in favor of the Yishuv, thanks to greatly accelerating immigration, spurred the Zionist leadership to canvass actively, albeit discreetly, for detailed schemes of Arab evacuation. The greatest surge of activity was spawned by the Royal (Peel)Commission’s recommendation partition and compulsory transfer as a solution to the Palestine problem. It is significant that the intensified planning for and discussions of transfer were accompanied by Haganah’s “great leap forward” in terms of military force and organization, and the increasing though generally unstated association between transfer and military prowess.

 

[wesheltonj]

Ok, I was not going not going to play, but the troll just keeps throwing so much bait in the water it’s just too irresistible.

Sorry, there’s not a 100 years of Palestinians much less 1000. No one wants them, Jordan kicked them out, Lebanon kicked them out, Egypt kicked them out. Only Israel has allowed them to stay in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The West bank is rather peaceful as Hamas does not control it. On the other hand the strip is controlled by Hamas, which teaches the only good Jew is a dead Jew. Sorry no one is buying what you are selling. How about posting some hunting, any hunting.

 

[Frostbite]

Ok, I was not going not going to play, but the troll just keeps throwing so much bait in the water it’s just too irresistible.

Sorry, there’s not a 100 years of Palestinians much less 1000. No one wants them, Jordan kicked them out, Lebanon kicked them out, Egypt kicked them out. Only Israel has allowed them to stay in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The West bank is rather peaceful as Hamas does not control it. On the other hand the strip is controlled by Hamas, which teaches the only good Jew is a dead Jew. Sorry no one is buying what you are selling. How about posting some hunting, any hunting.

I'm hunting for some truth in what you wrote.

You think Theodor Herzl was a myth?

You boldly disagree with renowned historians.

Where is your authority for that?

 

[Brent in Az]

Approximately 14% of the Naval assets have been routed into the Caribbean

 

[LivingTheDream]

Read the post above.

Please reread my post. I was pointing out that your source of truth is complete garbage.

Let me give you another example "Blaser rifles are the best" written by People who love Blasers.

Your post (btw good job on posting a link) was an article about another subject. Which is another deflection and to get us back on subject...

You condemn the chant, "from the river to the sea" yet, or are you too busy reading the protocols of the Wiseman of Zion?

 

[skydiver386]

Nearly a thousand years ago, Jews knew those who hated God, hated Jews and hated Israel would accuse them of "Stealing the land".

So that if the nations of the world will say to Israel, “You took the land by force,” Israel can reply to them, “The whole earth belongs to the Hashem. He created it... and by His will He gave [the land] to us.” - Rabbi Rashi 1040-1105AD

 

[Rocked and Loaded]