Politics

[Tubby’s Canteen]

How could any sane person take that wandering, babbling , incoherent lost fool seriously.. not only that but Barack Hussien o. said we had 57 states so at 51 we would be still behind . I GUESS THEY DONT TEACH MUCH AMERICAN HISTORY in Kenya or Indonesia or Hawaii or Havard or whereever he was schooled. lets see if we take Alberta, B.C. and Quebec leave them separated, forget Montreal, and BAJA Mexico, and Greenland we would almost be there. really though the last time we fought you guys over Vancouver Island, its was sort of a draw or was that the Hudson bay fur company we fought with. lets just get along and join, dont you want no income tax under 200,000$.

Can someone translate that to English for me?

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

That all makes sense, but it still doesn't answer why vote liberal to combat the "attack."

The best analogy I can think of is Canadians voting liberal instead of conservative is cutting off their hands because their toes have frostbite. ... yes, they should be mad about the frostbite and want to do something about it, but the action doesn't meet the situation from my very far away porch view.

In full transparency, I know nothing about the candidates, so perhaps there is a connection there that would explain why a conservative vote is a vote to cave to Trump (and therefore understandably why some wouldn't want to). It would explain the "Why" that I cannot currently grasp. I'm mostly just thinking of it as a Vote for more Trudeau policies, or the alternative.

Go on YouTube and watch a couple of the liberal attack ads they’ve been carfully edited to portray poilievre is such a way as to sound just like trump and quite skillfully done I might add. While at the same time liberals have run a very successful campaign building on carneys involvement in international business and banking and advertising him as the best one to negotiate anything with trump.

Add to that the poilievre has a fairly aggressive style of debating and routinely goes at reporters when the ask him leading questions. Also they pretty much dropped the ball on shifting quickly to dealing with trade issues and trump.

Now ask yourself what an uniformed voter who’s only interested in this election because of what he/she views as a threat south of the boarder is going to do, vote for a leader that everything they have seen makes him look just like trump ( about every third add on tv) or a quiet mild mannered appearing older man with a history of international finance and banking?

poilievre also wants to defund the cbc so he has had little help from the news cycles in Canada.

Here is a prime example

 

[WAB]

Some tourism but mainly hunting - all with my own firearms. Never an issue. Headed back next month for pike and lake trout. However, I definitely will not be wearing a MAGA hat.

I always get a kick out of Americans complaining about the hassle with taking guns into Canada. They ought to talk to a Canadian about what is involved in bringing a gun into the US.

 

[Hunt anything]

I always get a kick out of Americans complaining about the hassle with taking guns into Canada. They ought to talk to a Canadian about what is involved in bringing a gun into the US.

Actually getting my guns cleared was not a problem at all. It was them basically tearing my truck apart looking for excess amounts of alcohol and not allowing me to get my Chesapeake out of his crate and into some shade as it was a warm October day.

 

[steve white]

I always get a kick out of Americans complaining about the hassle with taking guns into Canada. They ought to talk to a Canadian about what is involved in bringing a gun into the US.

Yeah, we're both crazy in that regard, and for what? I watched Jim Shockey buy a nicely engraved and gold inlaid drilling at the Allen Cabela's when it first opened. I wish I had beaten him to it AND I wish I had therefore kept up with the deal--because it fell through when he could not get things straight to get it imported into Canada. Don't know if the complication was that it was a combination gun or what, but the deal fell through and someone else got the gun. What purpose is there for such complications. You would think that it would be easier from the US side, since we are more gun friendly, supposedly. But it is a near impossibility getting a gun from Canada sold/shipped to an American. Many a CZ shotgun or desirable rifle is out of consideration because the sale just cannot go through for the guns to her sold to a citizen in the US. Who is the winner in that scenario?

 

[Pondoro]

Norway has one of the larger deposits of REE minerals. But sorry Trump, they are not yours to exploit..

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Anyone else think Vance was quite the poor choice for VP after all? Oval Office behavior with Z, what he said in signal chat, among other things.

It does seem like he was the internet Republican choice. If it wasn’t for he and Don Jr. being friends I don’t think he would have been considered

 

[SaintPanzer]

So, I seem to hear a lot about Canadians being appalled by US "attacks" on their sovereignty.

I don't hear much about Chinese attacks on the same. I think I'm more worried about the Chinese attacks. I mean, when did it become acceptable for MPs to suggest turning in Canadian citizens to a Chinese consulate to collect a bounty?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/04/china-is-the-hidden-issue-in-canadas-upcoming-election/

Liberal MP apologizes for suggesting Tory candidate be turned over to Chinese consulate for Hong Kong bounty

"If you can take him to the Chinese Consulate General in Toronto, you can get the million-dollar reward,” Liberal Paul Chiang said of Joe Tay.

nationalpost.com

Carney won’t fire incumbent who suggested people collect Chinese bounty on Conservative candidate

Liberal Leader Mark Carney said Monday he’s sticking with an Ontario candidate who suggested people try to claim a Chinese bounty on a Conservative candidate, despite calls from community groups and his political opponents to ban the candidate from running.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[spike.t]

Bit of a humorous take on Pakistan by an Indian journalist....

From bankruptcy to buried treasure: Pakistan's new gold rush (and missing bullets)

Pakistan anticipates a significant economic boost from its untapped mineral wealth. Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif announced the discovery of vast reserves. These reserves include rare earths, gemstones, copper, and gold. The government is inviting foreign investment to develop these resources...

m.economictimes.com

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

So, I seem to hear a lot about Canadians being appalled by US "attacks" on their sovereignty.

I don't hear much about Chinese attacks on the same. I think I'm more worried about the Chinese attacks. I mean, when did it become acceptable for MPs to suggest turning in Canadian citizens to a Chinese consulate to collect a bounty?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/04/china-is-the-hidden-issue-in-canadas-upcoming-election/

Liberal MP apologizes for suggesting Tory candidate be turned over to Chinese consulate for Hong Kong bounty

"If you can take him to the Chinese Consulate General in Toronto, you can get the million-dollar reward,” Liberal Paul Chiang said of Joe Tay.

nationalpost.com

Carney won’t fire incumbent who suggested people collect Chinese bounty on Conservative candidate

Liberal Leader Mark Carney said Monday he’s sticking with an Ontario candidate who suggested people try to claim a Chinese bounty on a Conservative candidate, despite calls from community groups and his political opponents to ban the candidate from running.

www.ctvnews.ca

It’s not acceptable, it’s also not acceptable to potentially elect a prime minister that is a quarter billion in debt to the central bank of china like carney is and also not acceptable for Trudeau to run around in blackface and have questionable relationships with students as a teacher. None of these things excuse trumps actions two wrongs or ten wrongs still don’t make a right.

I get cold calls a couple times a week from Chinese area codes with a pre recorded message only words I can make out are poillivre and carney, china has definitely interfered in this election. Donald trump as also interfered in this election the difference is he did it publicly and had a far greater reach with his interferences.

 

[Altitude sickness]

If you think Canadians would rise up against the US taking Canada as a 51st state.

How do you think conservatives would react?

Trump would gain more favorability if he talked about giving the entire west coast and northern east coast to Canada.

We don’t need another liberal state. Trump doesn’t even realize he would loss the house and Senate immediately with Canadian liberal house members being elected. As usual Trumps mouth outruns his brain on this topic.

 

[fourfive8]

I have been to Canada at least a dozen times - probably closer to two dozen - and never had a bad experience. Canadian aviation security personnel and immigration agents have always been extremely competent and polite - something not always found at the end of a typical TSA or US customs que.

Well, I’m happy for you. My experience in 2017 was the opposite. Family (my wife and two kids) and I were split up and detained for no reason by Canada border agents in Vancouver Intl Airport. It was a simple airport transit during an international flight, changing planes on way to US. Nothing to do with hunting or fishing or even tourism. The US CBP agents in the US Port of Entry office there were very professional and helpful. We were finally released to US CBP after over 4 hours of detention and questioning by the Canuck prick agents with attitudes. The experience terrified my family and cost us a bunch of money for transportation, hotels and extra air tickets to reach our destination in the US.

So keep on gas lighting by anecdote or “informed opinion” as you like to say. My best guess is I’ve crossed Canada about 56 times that will increase to 58 in August. Each time at 35k ft to and from AK. After my “informed real experience” in 2017, you couldn’t pay me enough to set foot in Canada again.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Well, I’m happy for you. My experience in 2017 was the opposite. Family (my wife and two kids) and I were split up and detained for no reason by Canada border agents in Vancouver Intl Airport. It was a simple airport transit during an international flight, changing planes on way to US. Nothing to do with hunting or fishing or even tourism. The US CBP agents in the US Port of Entry office there were very professional and helpful. We were finally released to US CBP after over 4 hours of detention and questioning by the Canuck prick agents with attitudes. The experience terrified my family and cost us a bunch of money for transportation, hotels and extra air tickets to reach our destination in the US.

So keep on gas lighting by anecdote or “informed opinion” as you like to say. My best guess is I’ve crossed Canada about 56 times that will increase to 58 in August. Each time at 35k ft to and from AK. After my “informed real experience” in 2017, you couldn’t pay me enough to set foot in Canada again.

That sounds insane, they didn't give any reason what so ever? I would be super pissed.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

If you think Canadians would rise up against the US taking Canada as a 51st state.

How do you think conservatives would react?

Trump would gain more favorability if he talked about giving the entire west coast and northern east coast to Canada.

We don’t need another liberal state. Trump doesn’t even realize he would loss the house and Senate immediately with Canadian liberal house members being elected. As usual Trumps mouth outruns his brain on this topic.

Most likely it would be worse than that, you’d likely see a Canadian third party in your political landscape that actually held a large amount of power based on the fact they could sway voting for either party. Canada doesn’t run a two party system we’ve already seen this happen here with the ndp propping up the liberals.

 

[PARA45]

Go on YouTube and watch a couple of the liberal attack ads they’ve been carfully edited to portray poilievre is such a way as to sound just like trump and quite skillfully done I might add. While at the same time liberals have run a very successful campaign building on carneys involvement in international business and banking and advertising him as the best one to negotiate anything with trump.

Add to that the poilievre has a fairly aggressive style of debating and routinely goes at reporters when the ask him leading questions. Also they pretty much dropped the ball on shifting quickly to dealing with trade issues and trump.

Now ask yourself what an uniformed voter who’s only interested in this election because of what he/she views as a threat south of the boarder is going to do, vote for a leader that everything they have seen makes him look just like trump ( about every third add on tv) or a quiet mild mannered appearing older man with a history of international finance and banking?

poilievre also wants to defund the cbc so he has had little help from the news cycles in Canada.

Here is a prime example

No offense, but maybe what Poilievre needs is a better team of advisors, or campaign manager.

 

[Red Leg]

Well, I’m happy for you. My experience in 2017 was the opposite. Family (my wife and two kids) and I were split up and detained for no reason by Canada border agents in Vancouver Intl Airport. It was a simple airport transit during an international flight, changing planes on way to US. Nothing to do with hunting or fishing or even tourism. The US CBP agents in the US Port of Entry office there were very professional and helpful. We were finally released to US CBP after over 4 hours of detention and questioning by the Canuck prick agents with attitudes. The experience terrified my family and cost us a bunch of money for transportation, hotels and extra air tickets to reach our destination in the US.

So keep on gas lighting by anecdote or “informed opinion” as you like to say. My best guess is I’ve crossed Canada about 56 times that will increase to 58 in August. Each time at 35k ft to and from AK. After my “informed real experience” in 2017, you couldn’t pay me enough to set foot in Canada again.

I genuinely regret you and your family, or anyone's family, had such an experience - in Canada or anywhere else. I merely pointed out my own experiences over twenty-five years. Those are simple facts, not gaslighting (you really ought to look up that term since you like to use it a lot.) And yes, I am indeed "informed" about my trips to and from Canada. Apparently, those experiences upset you because you feel it contradicts your narrative in some way?

I am taking you at your word, you had one bad experience. I would be interested to know how many other transits lower than 35K feet there were. However, I will absolutely accept your experience as fact, and assume you are not deliberately gaslighting me or anyone else. Though, by your definition, your experience would seem to be a better "gaslighting by anecdote" example, whatever that is, than mine.

 

[spike.t]

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Most likely it would be worse than that, you’d likely see a Canadian third party in your political landscape that actually held a large amount of power based on the fact they could sway voting for either party. Canada doesn’t run a two party system we’ve already seen this happen here with the ndp propping up the liberals.

It probably wouldn’t matter. In this hypothetical situation of Canada being a 51st state, it would still only have two senators and maybe as many representatives/electors as california. The impact of a third party would be so small that most Canadians would quickly choose one of the two major parties so their vote had an impact.

That’s the system in the US and it wouldn’t change with the addition of another state. The balance would shift a little one way or the other but third parties are a non starter. I don’t know of any that have ever effectively impacted American politics to their advantage as they only split the ticket of their end of the political spectrum and water down the closest party’s vote (think Roosevelt’s bull-moose party or Ralph nader’s Green Party candidacy).

Plus Canada couldn’t even become a state immediately. The US could conceivably annex the territory but the constitution is very clear on the process. The people of the territory have to ask for statehood. That’s why Puerto Rico is still a territory as the people there continue to vote the maintain the status quo rather than statehood or independence. Hawaii was annexed in 1898 and didn’t achieve statehood until 1959. I doubt millions of angry, freshly annexed, Canadians would be clamoring for immediate statehood.

All of this is moot, however, as Americans have no interest in invading Canada. Trump has riled Canada up, to what purpose I can’t say, perhaps to no purpose, but that’s all it will amount to long term. In four years, Trump will be out of office and Canada will still not be a US state.

 

[rigbymauser]

"You will never convince me . . ."

Finally, we get the bottom line. There's no point in having a discussion or debate with people who will never be convinced. Facts won't matter, and evidence won't matter. It's like trying to convince a flat earthed that the earth is round.

I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong in this debate, but I am saying there's no point to the debate at all if people don't care what the other side has to say.

One may not be convinced but atleast before calling posters for all kinds of names do your own research or ask. But again some don’t want move regardless of clearity. Its easy to tell by the reply who possesses good social and intelligent skills and those are just proud with a strong opinion.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

It probably wouldn’t matter. In this hypothetical situation of Canada being a 51st state, it would still only have two senators and maybe as many representatives/electors as california. The impact of a third party would be so small that most Canadians would quickly choose one of the two major parties so their vote had an impact.

That’s the system in the US and it wouldn’t change with the addition of another state. The balance would shift a little one way or the other but third parties are a non starter. I don’t know of any that have ever effectively impacted American politics to their advantage as they only split the ticket of their end of the political spectrum and water down the closest party’s vote (think Roosevelt’s bull-moose party or Ralph nader’s Green Party candidacy).

Plus Canada couldn’t even become a state immediately. The US could conceivably annex the territory but the constitution is very clear on the process. The people of the territory have to ask for statehood. That’s why Puerto Rico is still a territory as the people there continue to vote the maintain the status quo rather than statehood or independence. Hawaii was annexed in 1898 and didn’t achieve statehood until 1959. I doubt millions of angry, freshly annexed, Canadians would be clamoring for immediate statehood.

All of this is moot, however, as Americans have no interest in invading Canada. Trump has riled Canada up, to what purpose I can’t say, perhaps to no purpose, but that’s all it will amount to long term. In four years, Trump will be out of office and Canada will still not be a US state.

And the damage done to international relations and business will be his legacy.