Politics

[PARA45]

We are going to be in a world of hurting thanks to the incompetence of this “Commander in Chief” and the Democrats. Our military budget is being cut drastically, so our government is able to fund all those Liberal programs. Unfortunately the money has to come from somewhere and the military is the first to lose it.

 

[Ray B]

The recent events also show one downside to the electoral process regarding the expectations of other countries. The other countries can no longer rely on ANYTHING the president of the US promises because when the next president comes into office, everything is rescinded. The Bidet and his string pullers have not only discredited the current beliefs about the US but for years and decades to come. No one will ever trust what the American representative says because they know it's only valid for the few years until the next election.

 

[Saul]

The recent events also show one downside to the electoral process regarding the expectations of other countries. The other countries can no longer rely on ANYTHING the president of the US promises because when the next president comes into office, everything is rescinded. The Bidet and his string pullers have not only discredited the current beliefs about the US but for years and decades to come. No one will ever trust what the American representative says because they know it's only valid for the few years until the next election.

Biden is following through on Trump's plan, albeit delayed by a few months. Our allies have been well aware of this withdrawal for some time now.

 

[PARA45]

He should have had his own plan. Always easy to blame the other guy. That my friend is what’s wrong with our country; lack of accountability for their actions. Always someone else’s fault.

 

[Red Leg]

Biden is following through on Trump's plan, albeit delayed by a few months. Our allies have been well aware of this withdrawal for some time now.

That is again an uninformed statement. He is following through on Trump's intent. If Pompeo and the US military are to be believed (and I can personally vouch for the military leadership), this fiasco has no resemblance to Trump's "plan." I personally think Trump's intent was a colossal error. But if one were to go through with such an error, having a conditions based process was the only means to accomplish it. Regrettably, the senile old man in the White House knew better than his military planners, and directed how the withdrawal would take place. He gets to own this one all by himself. Absolutely shameful.

 

[Saul]

He should have had his own plan. Always easy to blame the other guy. That my friend is what’s wrong with our country; lack of accountability for their actions. Always someone else’s fault.

My intent in pointing this out was to illustrate that there is at least some continuity between presidencies.

That is again an uninformed statement. He is following through on Trump's intent. If Pompeo and the US military are to be believed (and I can personally vouch for the military leadership), this fiasco has no resemblance to Trump's "plan." I personally think Trump's intent was a colossal error. But if one were to go through with such an error, having a conditions based process was the only means to accomplish it. Regrettably, the senile old man in the White House knew better than his military planners, and directed how the withdrawal would take place. He gets to own this one all by himself. Absolutely shameful.

Trump negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban. I cannot speak to the semantics of Trump's withdrawal plan, if he even had one, but I highly doubt that the end result would have been much different. Ultimately, we are withdrawing from a country with a practically nonexistent government and willing fighting force. Whether or not you agree or disagree with the decision to withdraw, we can all agree that in this instance it was handled poorly by the current administration.

 

[CJW]

That is again an uninformed statement. He is following through on Trump's intent. If Pompeo and the US military are to be believed (and I can personally vouch for the military leadership), this fiasco has no resemblance to Trump's "plan." I personally think Trump's intent was a colossal error. But if one were to go through with such an error, having a conditions based process was the only means to accomplish it. Regrettably, the senile old man in the White House knew better than his military planners, and directed how the withdrawal would take place. He gets to own this one all by himself. Absolutely shameful.

Trump has a reputation of listening to his military advisors. He would actually listen. Biden on the other hand wasn't even smart enough to put this off for 5 or 6 months during the taliban's winter downtime.

This is no different than Biden wanting to spend $4+ trillion in his first month in office. He's trying to cement his legacy by any means possible. He was going to do what he was going to do and to hell with anyone else. He's a doddering, senile, ill tempered sociopath in my mind and I still can't believe anyone voted for him.

What happens when we don't have all American's out by the 31st? Bargaining? Ransom? Americans beheaded in the streets?

@Saul it is very ignorant of you to blame this on Trump. Not to mention act like Biden wasn't given proper information on all of this. He did but he chose not to listen, it's documented. Biden had no problem reversing anything Trump did upon immediately taking office. You've heard about that whole "Remain in Mexico" thing that the Supreme Court just reinstated right? That probably wasn't even done legally.

It amazes me that people couldn't put up with some mean tweets but Biden's approval is somehow still above 0%.

 

[Red Leg]

My intent in pointing this out was to illustrate that there is at least some continuity between presidencies.

Trump negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban. I cannot speak to the semantics of Trump's withdrawal plan, if he even had one, but I highly doubt that the end result would have been much different. Ultimately, we are withdrawing from a country with a practically nonexistent government and willing fighting force. Whether or not you agree or disagree with the decision to withdraw, we can all agree that in this instance it was handled poorly by the current administration.

I can assure you the military execution would have been very, very different. It should have been this time, but DOD’s operational recommendations were overruled by Biden. Austin and Miley should have resigned, but Biden owns this catastrophe and it will stain his and our nation’s legacy for a generation.

And when (not if) he leaves Americans stranded in that country, I pray the American people cast him and his party to the dustbin of history.

 

[Vashper]

I generally understand that my understanding of US domestic policy may be even worse than the Americans ' understanding of Russia's policy. But nevertheless: I got the impression that the Democrats prevented Trump from resolving the issue with Afghanistan. Is this true or not? And then, with any outcome of the evacuation, he would have been a scapegoat, and now the Democrats turned out to be the goats. Is this true or not?

 

[sgt_zim]

Biden is following through on Trump's plan, albeit delayed by a few months. Our allies have been well aware of this withdrawal for some time now.

Serious question. If Trump was such an incompetent president (as pretty much every leftist has asserted), why would the current admin use his plan?

If Trump's plan sucked, Biden should have come up with his own. Blaming Trump for this is an absolute and abject failure of leadership of the current admin. Full stop.

 

[Red Leg]

Serious question. If Trump was such an incompetent president (as pretty much every leftist has asserted), why would the current admin use his plan?

If Trump's plan sucked, Biden should have come up with his own. Blaming Trump for this is an absolute and abject failure of leadership of the current admin. Full stop.

There is a specific military terminology that would help with the civilian and fourth estate understanding of the disconnect between Trump and Biden's "plan." Trump's "commander's intent" was to depart by May 31st. Military "planning" had just begun prior to the new administration, but envisioned a staged, event-driven retrograde not centered on the international airport in Kabul. While I think Trump's "intent" was horribly shortsighted, military execution would have been a classic retrograde with the non-combatant evacuation coming first.

Bagram could have offered an easily defendable perimeter and staging area for massive counterstrike capability until the NEO (noncombatant evacuation operation) was deemed complete.

Biden's "intent" pushed back the date, but he (or his national security advisor) personally overruled the planning that was well advanced by that point, to order the withdrawal of almost all forces and the closure of all bases, to include the original planned evacuation center, prior to initiating formal civilian evacuation operations.

Those directives flew in the face of all military logic. It is why I believe either the SECDEF and/or CJCS should have resigned rather than attempt to carry out such orders. But they saluted, and we are where we are this morning with suicide bombers creating mass casualties at an indefensible civilian airport in the middle of an urban area. Shameful.

 

[JimP]

I generally understand that my understanding of US domestic policy may be even worse than the Americans ' understanding of Russia's policy. But nevertheless: I got the impression that the Democrats prevented Trump from resolving the issue with Afghanistan. Is this true or not? And then, with any outcome of the evacuation, he would have been a scapegoat, and now the Democrats turned out to be the goats. Is this true or not?

The Democrats prevented Trump from resolving it by voting him out of office and before that not supporting him.

It is my understanding that in Trumps plan all US civilians would of been evacuated before the military. In Bidens plan the military was evacuated and then they had to bring them back in to help with the civilian evacuations which are not going well

We will never know just how Trumps plan would of worked but it is certain that it would of worked better than what is going on now..

This was a no win war and no matter who got the US out they were going to take heat for it. But it was the method that they were to get civilians out that is in question

 

[Vashper]

I do not touch on military-political issues, this is a separate topic. The fact that some kind of framework agreement with the Taliban on the end of the war and the withdrawal of troops was reached a long time ago is obvious, if there really was a minimum of "bloody" losses for two years. With the total control of the Taliban over the country.
Here is the question of internal politics, as a struggle of parties. It seems that the Democratic Party does not have a think tank, a decision-making headquarters. There is no long-term strategy - with such ... hmm... efforts to seek the removal of Trump, so that then, so to speak, to drink the cup instead of him. Sorry for the russism, but in this case, Democrats gave a shit in their hat..

 

[CJW]

Did I hear correctly that Kabul airport only has one runway and Bagram has multiple? Again, a giant strategic cluster ****! One well placed mortar or other such attack cratering the runway could completely shut down air operations.

 

[Hogpatrol]

Did I hear correctly that Kabul airport only has one runway and Bagram has multiple? Again, a giant strategic cluster ****! One well placed mortar or other such attack cratering the runway could completely shut down air operations.

Both are one usable runway for heavies.

 

[JimP]

Did I hear correctly that Kabul airport only has one runway and Bagram has multiple? Again, a giant strategic cluster ****! One well placed mortar or other such attack cratering the runway could completely shut down air operations.

Plus I heard that Kabul sits down in a valley where Bagram is up on a hill. A lot more pluses for Bagram as for a airfield that could be defended along with more runways.

 

[sestoppelman]

Now 4 dead Marines and multiple deaths and injuries from the ISIS attack today at the airport and nearby hotel.
Those that dont yet understand why this is solely on Bidens shoulders need to read RedLegs posts again.
Trump had a plan and many military experts have already explained it, it was condition based and he told the Taliban and made it clear that any BS from them would bring down the full force of the US military. They listened.
Joe comes along and lies his way all thru this fiasco, blaming Trump over his plan to withdraw, but on completely different terms.
This idea that Joe keeps saying he had to follow thru with Trumps plan is purest BULLSHIT! The first thing Joe did upon taking office is begin to shitcan almost everything Trump did especially if it was working well as most of it was. So to come along and then try to say, "oh well I had to go along with this because Trump put it in motion", is just totally disingenuous on a galactic level!
And to also continue to put forth that he only had two choices, go back to war for another 20 years or just completely bug out and whatever happens is Trumps fault.
He knows full well that Trumps plan was not to do what he is now doing.
Remember what Obama said, "never underestimate Joes ability to screw things up".

Biden voters should be very ashamed of themselves today for their ignorance and stupidity.

 

[sestoppelman]

Number of dead US servicemen now at 10. A completely unnecessary loss of life due to the inept handling by Joe Biden. He actually was making jokes to reporters yesterday about the situation.
Its absolutely shameful we have this tone deaf, knee taking, senile old libtard as our President.
I am almost embarrassed to be an American today.

 

[CJW]

Biden voters should be very ashamed of themselves today for their ignorance and stupidity.

Quoted so nobody missed it.

 

[Pondoro]

Biden is responsible for these tragic events...but how could the assessments of the afghan forces strength/ability/will to fight Taliban be so horribly wrong..?