Permethrin Application

I have used it on several month long hunts and the initial soaking seems to work the whole time
 
1. Usually a couple weeks before the season or trip.
2. Just enough to make sure the clothing is damp.
3. Anything cloth and all over.
4. You MUST wash after application before wearing and it’s good for at least 4 washings.

Why would you wash immediately after application? That would do nothing but start removing the permethrin active ingredient from the material. The liquid is just the carrier for the permethrin particles, so once the carrier is dry, it will be as effective as it ever will be.

It's also not meant to be in contact with your skin, so use picaradin on skin and permethrin on the exterior of clothes.
 
I spray socks, pants shirts and jackets thoroughly, but not soaked. Usually a few days before. Lasts at least 5-7 washings, if not more. I use the Sawyer brand purchased from Cabela’s or Amazon.
 
It's also not meant to be in contact with your skin, so use picaradin on skin and permethrin on the exterior of clothes.
I am unsure where you get that info from, but if you spray your clothes with permethrin, the dried chemical will certainly be in contact with your skin.
 
I am unsure where you get that info from, but if you spray your clothes with permethrin, the dried chemical will certainly be in contact with your skin.

That was the advice I was given long ago by Sawyer - exterior on clothes, never on bare skin and never on interior of clothes. That advice may have changed over time. Certainly there is some contact, but it was about reducing direct/prolonged contact when possible. Again, that advice may not be current, but I've used Sawyer for so long I've just stuck with it.
 
That was the advice I was given long ago by Sawyer - exterior on clothes, never on bare skin and never on interior of clothes. That advice may have changed over time. Certainly there is some contact, but it was about reducing direct/prolonged contact when possible. Again, that advice may not be current, but I've used Sawyer for so long I've just stuck with it.

I think it was a misunderstanding, for a couple reasons.

One is that if you put a liquid on something like a shirt. It doesn't just stay on the outside. So it will inevitably be touching your skin.

Second, if you send your clothes to a company that specializes in treating clothes with permethrin. They are soaked in it.

There is no feasible way to treat your clothes with permethrin and keep it only to the "exterior" and not contact skin.

I would guess more likely, what was meant was not having prolonged exposure with it in its liquid state. As it is not recommended to have contact with the liquid form. Although, allegedly, we process it so fast that it shouldn't be a large issue either.

I also basically assume that we will later be told that Permethrin causes cancer or some other bad issue. I generally assume that almost anything that is good at killing one critter is probably not great for humans.

That said, I use it because without it, I would certainly have had tick bite fever, lymes, and many other tick borne illnesses a hundred times by now.
 
Any particular brand?
Permethrin on Amazon

This is 36.8% concentrate and is not available to be shipped to all US states. To save you the math... Use 0.8 oz of it to mix with 64 oz (half gallon) of water to make .5% solution. I mix this in a 1-gallon pump sprayer and get to spraying.

Store the bottle in a cool dry place inside a paper bag and not in direct sunlight.
 
Permethrin on Amazon

This is 36.8% concentrate and is not available to be shipped to all US states. To save you the math... Use 0.8 oz of it to mix with 64 oz (half gallon) of water to make .5% solution. I mix this in a 1-gallon pump sprayer and get to spraying.

Store the bottle in a cool dry place inside a paper bag and not in direct sunlight.

AI Overview

Concentrated farm formulations often contain petroleum distillates and other inert ingredients meant for livestock or hard surfaces. These additives can cause skin irritation or be unhealthy when they come into close, prolonged contact with human skin.

No, you cannot use Agrisel Zone Plus to treat clothing.

Why You Cannot Use It on Clothing
    • Wrong Formulation: Agrisel Zone Plus is a heavy-duty, professional-grade agricultural and perimeter insecticide (containing 36.8% permethrin) meant for lawns, livestock, and building foundations. [1]
    • Lack of Fabric-Bonding Agents: Products meant for clothing (like 0.5% permethrin sprays) contain specialized ingredients that help the chemical safely bond to fabric fibers. Agricultural concentrates lack these binders, meaning the chemical won't stick properly and can easily rub off onto your skin or absorb dangerously. [1, 2]
    • Unsafe Concentration: Trying to dilute a 36.8% livestock and lawn concentrate down to a safe 0.5% clothing level is extremely risky, inaccurate, and goes against safety labeling. [1, 2]
Instead, purchase a consumer-grade Permethrin Spray specifically approved and labeled for clothing and gear. [1, 2, 3]

If you'd like, I can:
  • Recommend specific clothing-safe permethrin brands

Ready-to-use sprays like Sawyer Permethrin Insect Repellent are pre-diluted to the safe 0.5% concentration, but if you want a water-based concentrate (such as a 10% agricultural/farm permethrin like Martin's 10% Martin's Permethrin 10%), you must dilute it down to 0.5% for clothing use. [1, 2]

How to Mix Water-Based Permethrin Concentrate
    • Target dilution: Mix 1 part of 10% permethrin concentrate with 19 parts of water to create a safe 0.5% solution for fabric. [1]
    • Example measurement: Combine 1 fluid ounce of 10% permethrin concentrate with 19 fluid ounces of water (or proportional amounts like 6 oz of concentrate to 114 oz / ~3.5 quarts of water) in a dedicated container or large bag. [1, 2]
    • Water-based check: Ensure you select a water-based formula without petroleum distillates to avoid strong chemical odors and fabric stiffening. [1]

Application Methods
    • The Soak Method: Place clothing in a large plastic bag or bucket, pour the mixed 0.5% solution over the garments until fully saturated, wring out excess liquid back into the container, and hang dry for 24 hours. [1, 2, 3]
    • The Spray Method: Pour your mixed 0.5% solution into a trigger spray bottle and evenly coat the outside of hanging garments until damp, then let dry completely. [1, 2]
 
AI Overview

Concentrated farm formulations often contain petroleum distillates and other inert ingredients meant for livestock or hard surfaces. These additives can cause skin irritation or be unhealthy when they come into close, prolonged contact with human skin.

No, you cannot use Agrisel Zone Plus to treat clothing.

Why You Cannot Use It on Clothing
    • Wrong Formulation: Agrisel Zone Plus is a heavy-duty, professional-grade agricultural and perimeter insecticide (containing 36.8% permethrin) meant for lawns, livestock, and building foundations. [1]
    • Lack of Fabric-Bonding Agents: Products meant for clothing (like 0.5% permethrin sprays) contain specialized ingredients that help the chemical safely bond to fabric fibers. Agricultural concentrates lack these binders, meaning the chemical won't stick properly and can easily rub off onto your skin or absorb dangerously. [1, 2]
    • Unsafe Concentration: Trying to dilute a 36.8% livestock and lawn concentrate down to a safe 0.5% clothing level is extremely risky, inaccurate, and goes against safety labeling. [1, 2]
Instead, purchase a consumer-grade Permethrin Spray specifically approved and labeled for clothing and gear. [1, 2, 3]

If you'd like, I can:
  • Recommend specific clothing-safe permethrin brands

Ready-to-use sprays like Sawyer Permethrin Insect Repellent are pre-diluted to the safe 0.5% concentration, but if you want a water-based concentrate (such as a 10% agricultural/farm permethrin like Martin's 10% Martin's Permethrin 10%), you must dilute it down to 0.5% for clothing use. [1, 2]

How to Mix Water-Based Permethrin Concentrate
    • Target dilution: Mix 1 part of 10% permethrin concentrate with 19 parts of water to create a safe 0.5% solution for fabric. [1]
    • Example measurement: Combine 1 fluid ounce of 10% permethrin concentrate with 19 fluid ounces of water (or proportional amounts like 6 oz of concentrate to 114 oz / ~3.5 quarts of water) in a dedicated container or large bag. [1, 2]
    • Water-based check: Ensure you select a water-based formula without petroleum distillates to avoid strong chemical odors and fabric stiffening. [1]

Application Methods
    • The Soak Method: Place clothing in a large plastic bag or bucket, pour the mixed 0.5% solution over the garments until fully saturated, wring out excess liquid back into the container, and hang dry for 24 hours. [1, 2, 3]
    • The Spray Method: Pour your mixed 0.5% solution into a trigger spray bottle and evenly coat the outside of hanging garments until damp, then let dry completely. [1, 2]
I’ll have to make some changes. Appreciate the information.
 
Sawyer is what I use. Just spray the outside of pants and shirts. Let dry and pack. I don’t bother with socks or underwear.
 
I'm from New England. Ticks are everywhere. I turkey hunt for a solid month in CT. Ticks are small and BAD there. For 8 years including this past season I have rabidly turkey hunted using Permethrin. I LOVE it. And was just in Limpopo region last year in Apr/May. I brought my permethrin treated turkey clothes for the hunt. Not a tick on me for 8 years, NE or Africa. I use Sawyers permethrin in a yellow and black 24 Fluid Oz. spray bottle. I bring all my clothes to be worn hunting out to my garage the night before my first hunt...spraying them while they hang from a coat hanger at least 6 hours before I wear them. Shirt,pants,hat,jacket...anything worn while in tick country. Spray and dry for 6 hours. Avon Skin-so-soft for ticks applied everywhere else EXCEPT genitals on my bare skin and hair while standing in my bathroom in my underwear. After skin-so-soft application, turkey clothes on and I am off hunting. As I previously stated, no ticks for 8 years running. HOWEVER...Murphy rules and I always do a thorough tick check and shower after each hunt and NEVER assume I'm bulletproof! Good hunting! P.S. Sawyers bottle states one application good for 6 washings.
 
I'm from New England. Ticks are everywhere. I turkey hunt for a solid month in CT. Ticks are small and BAD there. For 8 years including this past season I have rabidly turkey hunted using Permethrin. I LOVE it. And was just in Limpopo region last year in Apr/May. I brought my permethrin treated turkey clothes for the hunt. Not a tick on me for 8 years, NE or Africa. I use Sawyers permethrin in a yellow and black 24 Fluid Oz. spray bottle. I bring all my clothes to be worn hunting out to my garage the night before my first hunt...spraying them while they hang from a coat hanger at least 6 hours before I wear them. Shirt,pants,hat,jacket...anything worn while in tick country. Spray and dry for 6 hours. Avon Skin-so-soft for ticks applied everywhere else EXCEPT genitals on my bare skin and hair while standing in my bathroom in my underwear. After skin-so-soft application, turkey clothes on and I am off hunting. As I previously stated, no ticks for 8 years running. HOWEVER...Murphy rules and I always do a thorough tick check and shower after each hunt and NEVER assume I'm bulletproof! Good hunting! P.S. Sawyers bottle states one application good for 6 washings.

I can't say anymore than this. Agree completely. I live in NJ which is tick central. I believe we have the highest lyme's disease numbers in the country.

Sawyer is all you need.

Don't soak in the permethrin concentrate stuff. It's got a horrible oil smell. It's not the same as sawyer.

Haven't had a tick on me in years, knock wood.

EDIT: I should add, I don't really like Skin so Soft. I don't think it works. But if it works for you, go for it. I like true DEET better. I just avoid applying it because it burns my face and melts plastic. I usually just opt to cover up. Long sleeves, long pants, and a hat.

Turkey season is a different story though. Sitting down on the ground changes the game a bit.
 
AI Overview

Concentrated farm formulations often contain petroleum distillates and other inert ingredients meant for livestock or hard surfaces. These additives can cause skin irritation or be unhealthy when they come into close, prolonged contact with human skin.

No, you cannot use Agrisel Zone Plus to treat clothing.

Why You Cannot Use It on Clothing
    • Wrong Formulation: Agrisel Zone Plus is a heavy-duty, professional-grade agricultural and perimeter insecticide (containing 36.8% permethrin) meant for lawns, livestock, and building foundations. [1]
    • Lack of Fabric-Bonding Agents: Products meant for clothing (like 0.5% permethrin sprays) contain specialized ingredients that help the chemical safely bond to fabric fibers. Agricultural concentrates lack these binders, meaning the chemical won't stick properly and can easily rub off onto your skin or absorb dangerously. [1, 2]
    • Unsafe Concentration: Trying to dilute a 36.8% livestock and lawn concentrate down to a safe 0.5% clothing level is extremely risky, inaccurate, and goes against safety labeling. [1, 2]
Instead, purchase a consumer-grade Permethrin Spray specifically approved and labeled for clothing and gear. [1, 2, 3]

If you'd like, I can:
  • Recommend specific clothing-safe permethrin brands

Ready-to-use sprays like Sawyer Permethrin Insect Repellent are pre-diluted to the safe 0.5% concentration, but if you want a water-based concentrate (such as a 10% agricultural/farm permethrin like Martin's 10% Martin's Permethrin 10%), you must dilute it down to 0.5% for clothing use. [1, 2]

How to Mix Water-Based Permethrin Concentrate
    • Target dilution: Mix 1 part of 10% permethrin concentrate with 19 parts of water to create a safe 0.5% solution for fabric. [1]
    • Example measurement: Combine 1 fluid ounce of 10% permethrin concentrate with 19 fluid ounces of water (or proportional amounts like 6 oz of concentrate to 114 oz / ~3.5 quarts of water) in a dedicated container or large bag. [1, 2]
    • Water-based check: Ensure you select a water-based formula without petroleum distillates to avoid strong chemical odors and fabric stiffening. [1]

Application Methods
    • The Soak Method: Place clothing in a large plastic bag or bucket, pour the mixed 0.5% solution over the garments until fully saturated, wring out excess liquid back into the container, and hang dry for 24 hours. [1, 2, 3]
    • The Spray Method: Pour your mixed 0.5% solution into a trigger spray bottle and evenly coat the outside of hanging garments until damp, then let dry completely. [1, 2]

As is typical of AI answers, this is a mixture of true and false.

Yes, ag sprays typically contain petroleum distillates, which if nothing else, should be avoided because they smell strong and you are using this for hunting. There are concentrates that do not have petroleum.

But the idea that permethrin won't bond to clothes because it's a concentrate and doesn't have special "fabric binding agents" is nonsense. That is something that places who make ready to use sprays at 100X the cost will say as well.

Here is the issue with that. It is only ever really spewed out by companies that make "ready for clothes" permethrin spray. No one has ever disclosed what this magical bonding agent is. And most importantly, it ignores the most useful inherent property of permethrin.

Permethrin bonds to fabrics inherently. It is a huge part of why it is used. It bonds to clothing in a similar manner as fabric dye. Think of it like an invisible fabric dye. If you put it on it bonds tightly to the clothing. If you let it dry on there and "set", it is bonded even stronger. And like dye, washing it will cause it to fade, but it will last for quite a while, losing some potency with each wash.
 
As is typical of AI answers, this is a mixture of true and false.

Yes, ag sprays typically contain petroleum distillates, which if nothing else, should be avoided because they smell strong and you are using this for hunting. There are concentrates that do not have petroleum.

But the idea that permethrin won't bond to clothes because it's a concentrate and doesn't have special "fabric binding agents" is nonsense. That is something that places who make ready to use sprays at 100X the cost will say as well.

Here is the issue with that. It is only ever really spewed out by companies that make "ready for clothes" permethrin spray. No one has ever disclosed what this magical bonding agent is. And most importantly, it ignores the most useful inherent property of permethrin.

Permethrin bonds to fabrics inherently. It is a huge part of why it is used. It bonds to clothing in a similar manner as fabric dye. Think of it like an invisible fabric dye. If you put it on it bonds tightly to the clothing. If you let it dry on there and "set", it is bonded even stronger. And like dye, washing it will cause it to fade, but it will last for quite a while, losing some potency with each wash.

Which concentrates don't have the petroleum? I go through a ton of this stuff. Would love to just mix up a batch. Sawyer gets pricey.
 
Thinking of bringing a bottle when I leave for Zim again in a couple weeks. I've had some run ins with the fast moving attack scorpions the last few trips. Like at least once each time...and its always middle of the night when I might be a little slow moving...possibly even a little tipsy...when the damn things come chasing after me. Along witht he giant shower spiders...which honestly don't bother me, but wouldn't mind having a shower or two without one hanging out with me. Was curious what a light misting around the floor of my open cabin bungalow thingy might do. If it would make a difference at all.
I know this. I won't hurt anything, my friend. I'm good with snakes, but charging arachnids? Nope. Palmetto bugs (Florida's huge flying cockroaches still haunt my dreams.)
 
That was the advice I was given long ago by Sawyer - exterior on clothes, never on bare skin and never on interior of clothes. That advice may have changed over time. Certainly there is some contact, but it was about reducing direct/prolonged contact when possible. Again, that advice may not be current, but I've used Sawyer for so long I've just stuck with it.
Sawyer's CYA clause. It's a chemical that isn't meant to be applied directly to skin. If they didn't say that, some idiot would do a cannonball into a vat of it. I have drenched my clothes (yes, even my delicates) in Sawyers and never had any reaction. That's just me though.
 
Which concentrates don't have the petroleum? I go through a ton of this stuff. Would love to just mix up a batch. Sawyer gets pricey.

Martin's 10% permethrin concentrate. You will have to look to make sure it is the 10% concentration. They also make a 13.3% one that DOES have petroleum. I think every brand I have seen in 13.3% concentration includes petroleum distillates. Probably comes off the same assembly line with different labels.

I believe Chewy (dog supply store online) and Tractor supply (online) have the 10% concentrate.
 
Sawyer has a lotion that releases DEET in a slow controlled manner. It allows us to use less DEET than we would normally use because it remains effective longer. It’s also virtually scent free. I apply it all over and, in combination with clothes sprayed with Permethrin, I stay tick free. I wish I would have used it in Limpopo!
 

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