Thanks Jaco. Ole Colonel Whelen had Africa in mind when he came up with the idea and it did a great job. It never took off here either, but persisted sufficiently to finally get accepted as a commercial load in the late 80s. I had mine built on a VZ-24 Czech Mauser action with Douglas Premium 24" barrel, Timney trigger and safety, and put on a nice piece of California Claro walnut with Cocobolo forend and gripcap. Topped it off with a Burris Signature Series 1.5-6 Electrodot scope. I still haven't hunted with it, but am looking forward to doing so. BTW, have you folks ever been contacted by anyone from the Saints Louis County Sheriff's Department? I made some phone calls a month ago to find what authorities might have jurisdiction over these these cretans at Tusks and Hide Safaris who scammed you and other outfitters on their advertising deal and ultimately found it was the St. Louis County Sheriff's Department. I gathered up the identities of all the outfitters who noted they were taken, and passed that and other pertinent information to them. The Deputy I was in contact with passed it all on to an investigator. Because I'm not a victim the investigator won't contact me. But I was just curious if they've done anything. I've heard nothing from the various outfitters who were taken for a ride. Just curious because people like that piss me off. Wanted to see what we could do on this side to help you folks out.