Heym 88B High Demand?

[Jager Waffen74]

I don’t think an 88 will go that high an 89 yea depending on upgrades

Buddy they are already there, just spoke to someone tonight that sold an upgraded 88B for 41k. Had some embellishments but not that much more than mine. It comes to a Do you want to wait for new delivery for 2-3yrs or hunt now, if you have the FU money, you can buy it now.. You know how that goes...

 

[Jager Waffen74]

One thing to keep in mind, is that we are all playing the remember when game, we'll diesel was less than 3.00 a gallon less than a year ago and now we'll over 5.00. Price rarely go down, and fun goes up in price the quickest. The fact there isn't a big bore Heym on the market anywhere says something..

 

[Russ16]

An old British Double will never hold up to the pounding of what a Heym will take without issues.

That’s true but most people will never shoot either enough to price the difference. Give me vintage.

 

[BeeMaa]

Another sidebar: I know a handful of folks that prefer the 88 to the 89. They say it is beefier. @Wildwillalaska might have an opinion but the folks i speak of really prefer the 88b.

Given the choice, it would be an 88B every time for me. The Teutonic lines on it just speak to me. And they do have a bigger feel than the 89B.

The 89B was a necessary evil to bring those longing for German quality but wanting British double looks. Unlike what Krieghoff and Blaser did with their aesthetics.

Everything else is just supply and demand. If you have the money to make it happen without the wait, that’s what you’re going to pay for.

 

[Hornedfrogbbq]

I would hazard a guess that all the used double prices (assuming high quality and condition) will march upwards if the new high end guns start at 6 figures.

Anyone wanna wager a beer on the average used prices on a Heym .470ne in two years? Great condition only. None will have been shot much.

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

I heard that as well, The 89 is slimmed down to feel like a British Double.

Tthe Heym 89b is simply superb. It looks good, it feels right, it shoots well. It isn't new on the block, so no teething problems.What else can one want?

 

[mms45]

Buddy they are already there, just spoke to someone tonight that sold an upgraded 88B for 41k. Had some embellishments but not that much more than mine. It comes to a Do you want to wait for new delivery for 2-3yrs or hunt now, if you have the FU money, you can buy it now.. You know how that goes...

Idk I have the exact twin to your gun in 450NE. Selectable ejector nice finished muzzle engraving all the little things that make it nice but that seems steep.

I don’t think the people buying Heym are the FU money crowd that’s the 250k rifles.

I will say Heym has the advertising game down. Once you are into that bracket I think you can find other rifles that are “nicer”

 

[Hornedfrogbbq]

Tthe Heym 89b is simply superb. It looks good, it feels right, it shoots well. It isn't new on the block, so no teething problems.What else can one want?

I have heard the same but have not handled one yet. I do like the bigger/biggest frame size.

 

[SStomcat]

Multiple WR have been sold at Gordy’s this year and the starting price was 225k. You should see the ones that didn’t make it out into the public space.

@Hornedfrogbbq the Shikari price depends what you have done option wise. There are still some to be had for under $100k. There were also some for $250k+ but it included jumping the line.

Yes, I’m aware. They had or may still have a used .500 Jeffery double listed a couple of weeks ago for around $65K. It may have sold by now.

A couple of years ago, they had a Phil Cogan & Son engraved .375 Flanged Magnum priced at around $325K. It sat there for quite some time, but I assume it eventually sold.
There’s definitely a space for these top-of-the-line double rifles and shotguns among the higher echelons of the market.

 

[SStomcat]

An old British Double will never hold up to the pounding of what a Heym will take without issues.

A Heym simply won’t have the finesse, handling, or provenance of a pre-war British double. That’s where the old British guns really stand apart. They may need a little more love and care, but hunting with a piece from that bygone era gives you something back that money simply can’t buy.

 

[Hornedfrogbbq]

A Heym simply won’t have the finesse, handling, or provenance of a pre-war British double. That’s where the old British guns really stand apart. They may need a little more love and care, but hunting with a piece from that bygone era gives you something back that money simply can’t buy.

Love it. I feel like this is the Baskin Robbins analogy - they have 31 flavors for a reason. I didn't like the Blaser S2 I handled a couple of weeks ago but Gordy had a Holland and Holland best in the funeral finish and at 500-465, it handled really well.

I still think the pricing umbrella will have these see more than inflation increases over the next 5 years. Things rarely get cheaper when they are very rare...so i encourage those that are double rifle curious to dive in and flip in 3 or 4 years if it ain't for you. At least that is what I did.

P.s. I like mint chocolate chip unless it takes like chemicals...then I defer to peppermint.

 

[SStomcat]

That’s true but most people will never shoot either enough to price the difference. Give me vintage.

And if I may add, British doubles especially the older ones were never designed or intended to be used as a stick for pounding. Yet quite a few have held up remarkably well over the years. That certainly says something about how well they were built.

 

[Adam Stevens]

One thing to keep in mind, is that we are all playing the remember when game, we'll diesel was less than 3.00 a gallon less than a year ago and now we'll over 5.00. Price rarely go down, and fun goes up in price the quickest. The fact there isn't a big bore Heym on the market anywhere says something..

just hit 2.70 and $3 a liter here. disgusting

 

[Bushog]

This is all very discouraging

 

[Garciamarquez1918]

I posted a couple of 3 weeks ago that i thought the Shakari price point for the US is over $100k and probably closer to $120k. A new Heym is probably $40k - $50k I believe, with similar options. Both are a multi-year wait. If that is the case, I think Heym has the pricing umbrella (WR and H&H are much higher) from Rigby to raise pricing. Used Heyms simply do not trade for $20k any more. I think they'll be $30k in the next year or two.

Given that these guns frequently aren't shot much, there is a lifetime of use plus another in most of these guns if properly cared for.

I believe base price for a Shikari is still about 50,000 pounds or about $68,000. Add import duty and you're around $75,000. So below $100,000 ... but you don't need to add many options to get there. And maybe there's some nuance of importation I'm missing. Well and sales tax. So yeah not hard to get over six figures.

 

[Jager Waffen74]

Idk I have the exact twin to your gun in 450NE. Selectable ejector nice finished muzzle engraving all the little things that make it nice but that seems steep.

I don’t think the people buying Heym are the FU money crowd that’s the 250k rifles.

I will say Heym has the advertising game down. Once you are into that bracket I think you can find other rifles that are “nicer”

I am not sure that it is entirely true. I am seeing sick numbers out there for doubles. New bespoke guns are insane, 6 figure all day. Look at the Heym Martini rifle, just 2yrs ago they were under 10k, now 16k is the norm. Anything under 50k for a new double gun is cheap. So naturally the used market is climbing on supply and demand. Most vintage stuff out there has been used well and or worked over alot. Even they are in the high 40k's and up and those are in less desirable calibers. Look at Merkel 140s.. They are averaging 15-20k at auctions, and retail. It is just life, thank inflation. $35-40k for a Heym which is one of the nicest semi bespoke production doubles that is built to last is not a bad deal..... Look at a Caesar Guerini Shotgun, their Revenant model is 20k... Everything on it is skillfully done and artisan LASER... I watched on TGS / youtube that they machine, checker and finish the stock in eurethane in 8hrs on a B. Rizzini.... And the gun is 15k... Times are changing, and costs are climbing.

 

[Jager Waffen74]

I believe base price for a Shikari is still about 50,000 pounds or about $68,000. Add import duty and you're around $75,000. So below $100,000 ... but you don't need to add many options to get there. And maybe there's some nuance of importation I'm missing. Well and sales tax. So yeah not hard to get over six figures.

As I buy a lot in the UK, I budget .60 on the dollar to cover 34% exchange rate, 10% tarrif, 3% duty, and tax and export costs and any other incidentals. And you are correct, ordering the Rigby, you are going to add options because who will order a double like that with zero engraving, zero, options or nice wood. So realistically they are 100k.... I would venture to say 2-3yr wait.

 

[BAY]

AYA #2 12 gauge SxS has increased 40% since I bought mine in ‘23.

 

[High Country Hunts]

Still a few days to go on these 2 Heyms at Murphy Auctions. That should give you a bit of an idea - albeit + buyers premium and tax to factor in.

 

[High Country Hunts]

Or rather ‘Morphy Auctions’