Discussion in 'Firearms & Ammunition' started by Alchemist, Apr 21, 2017.
TBBCs are well designed. I would expect this excellent performance from them.
Any time you've got 90% or better weight retention as you have with your two bullets, you've got to categorize it as exemplary performance. You can't expect better performance, outstanding. I hope to see this type of result with my Hammer bullets I'll be using on Eland this October. I never would have thought that the factory Federal would result in this type of performance, this is the type of result you'd expect with a custom bullet such as Hammer or Swift.
The mushrooming and weight retention are just outstanding; what kind of penetration did you get?
My brother used a .30/06 with the Federal TBBC 180gr to take his cow eland. 150 yds, entered just behind the right shoulder and ended up under the hide just forward of the left shoulder. It went about 25 yds and dropped. Expanded bullet was exactly 160gr. Perfect performance.
Can't say with certainty because I didn't specifically ask - complete brain fart. The 202g bullet I believe is the one that shattered the bull's spine and put him down. The other was a "behind the shoulder" shot. Two shots were not recovered - one was a complete pass-thru and the other was the poor first shot - the bull was quartering away and looking back at me but moved just before I pulled the trigger.
Federal loaded their premium Ammo using projectiles from a number of different bullet manufacturers. The TBBC bullets were made by Speer. However I think I read somewhere that Federal bought out Speer. I also read that Federal has plans to offer the TBBC as a reloading component.
They are listed, but not yet available on Midway USA site.
they don't come better than the bearclaws, same as northfork.
up there with swift.
all three better than Woodleigh.
Federal & Speer are both owned by Vista Outdoors. The TBBC was developed by a Texan named Jack Carter (now retired) in 1988 before Federal was involved. Jack Carter sold bullets with pure copper jackets as components only, never loaded ammo. Federal has made a few changes to his design such as using gliding metal for jackets. Component bulkets for reloading were then offered under the Speer label when Jack retired. They haven't been available as a component bullet for reloaders for years. This thread prompted me to look, Federal is / will be offering them as component bullets again but only in four calibers. "Back in the day" TBBC component bullets were offered in many more calibers.
Federal developed the Trophy Bonded Tip in 2008, using some elements of the TBBC but geared for less tough game than the TBBC was developed for.
The only round nose .308 FMJ component bullets even that I see available these days are 110 grain ones for .30 carbine ammo.
Best of luck finding heavier ones. Might keep an eye out at Rocky Mountain Reloading for pulled bullets. You can use Reed's Ammunition and Research as a custom reloader to manufacture ammo for you if you can at least find the component bullets.
Hawk Bullets will manufacture custom bullets for example.
Peregrine bullets look more like flat point style than round nose to me in their non-spitzer style bullets.
Probably showing my ignorance here, but would the magnificent 220 grain round-nose FMJ from Woodleigh work? I love using it in my .300H&H.
No ignorance on your part BenKK. That Woodleigh bullet is exactly what the OP asked for. I'll have to look into it for my 308 Norma Mag. Although for the price difference I don't see why their 220 Gr. Weldcore wouldn't work just as well. What kind of velocity are you running your loads at?
Good call BenKK, evidently no US retailer selling Woodleigh .308 component bullets has a partnership to be listed in the Ammoseek database. It is my ignorance showing on Woodleigh bullets!
Magtech makes 150 and 180 .308 ball ammo. Pat's Reloading has their 147s in stock. Plenty of ball ammo in 7.62 made by various companies.
But not FMJ RN which is what Hoss Delgado posted he was seeking for his dad.
I found the 220 grain FMJ RN component bullets are available from Midway here in the USA. Midway has no relationship with Ammoseek to be listed in the Ammoseek database.
Pricey, at $1.82 / bullet, but it fits the request from Hoss Delgado for his dad and is heavy for caliber as well for icing on the cake. Midway shows only 1 box in stock.
Also found them at Huntington Die Specialties for a slightly lower price, but Midway has a coupon code for free shipping on orders $49+ currently.
I also found this UK firm offering Woodleigh bullets, @Hoss Delgado. I didn't realize you were in the UK until I saw your post in another thread about ordering from kynamco.
Thank you so much. I am back in Texas at the moment , but my close friend lives in the UK . He has a rifle certificate ( which is necessary in the UK if you want to buy loaded factory Ammunition ) and gets me whatever l like on his trips to the US. It was from him that l learnt that the Brits have a funny law about needing a rifle certificate for buying loaded Ammo , but not needing a rifle certificate for buying loading components
30-06 180gr Nosler AB @ 2695 f/s at 132 meters. Quatering ever so slighly towards me. Double lung shot.
Ran about 60 m before it expired.
Alchemist, have you had a chance to weigh the bullet? Just wondering how the NAB held up.
I've been doing a lot of load testing in preparation for my first trip to RSA in 2020 with Limcroma Safaris. I decided to do a side-by-side penetration test on four separate 30-06 loads. I shot into water jugs at 50 yards so I could capture the expanded slugs. All of these were captured in the sixth jug except the TTXS which ended up lodged in between the sixth and seventh jugs. This is definitely not the same as the performance you would see on game, but the relative performance of the four in common media is interesting.
Left to right:
168 TTSX - MV 2940FPS - IV 2830 FPS - Recovered wt 167G (99%)
220 Rem CoreLokt - MV 2400 FPS - IV 2250 FPS - Recovered wt 185.6G (84%)
165 Nos AB - MV 2850 FPS - IV 2700 FPS - Recovered wt 113.9G (69%)
180 Norma Oryx - MV 2860 FPS - IV 2700 FPS - Recovered wt 148.5G (82%)
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