.375 should be banned from buffalo hunts!

[Skshyk]

Police use them in Brazil right ?

 

[Skshyk]

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

 

[Skshyk]

Looks like they really can take more punishment than an African buffalo with pretty girls riding them….

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

 

[Skshyk]

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

Looks like they really can take more punishment than an African buffalo with pretty girls riding them….

Where does so much stupidity come from! In exchange for what? Then they call us third world, such an idiot!

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

Dang I love a good Cachaça fueled post

And I truly hope you post some pics of these Brazilian hybrid swamp bulls,
I have have killed some pretty rank Mexican river Cain bulls down in the tick barrier zone , seems like the cows are more likely to come for you then the bulls
But a stout 300wm or 35whelen in the head or neck stops the Rodeo asap , 375 is better though, , I am very interested in hunting dangerous game on the southern continent and on the cheap too

I sent a few photos, the last ones I had, but I have an external HD with hundreds of them.

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

If you can shoot it so that your first shot does the job then bigger is better. Most people are not comfortable shooting over the 375. They have full confidence with that and make their first shot count. I think in terms of two things. 1. My first point 2. Stopping caliber versus non stopping. Most of our forum agree the 375 is not a stopping caliber but it does a great job killing a buff with a well placed shot. If you miss I do not believe anything in the fours and fives will help you any more…you are in trouble. Me personally I consider the 450 NE and up a true stopping caliber

I understand your point. Personally, I consider the .416 caliber with a good solid point (NF flat point) to be a stop-gap caliber, as mine has saved my life several times. As I said before, buffalo hunting is statistical; as you hunt over and over again, one or another will give you a truly serious and dangerous attack. I've experienced several easy-to-fix attacks (buffaloes that were already well-broken and slow) and a few very fast and ugly ones. Today, after some experience with the speed of lions, I personally don't consider any bolt-action rifle a true defensive weapon; it has to be a double. I say this because the attacks that will truly kill you (buffaloes and lions) are so fast that there's no time for a second shot with a bolt-action weapon.

 

[HENRY GRIFFITHS SAFARIS]

I would like to highly disagree with this statement! most of my clients use my 375 for cape buff here, if they don't use my 375 the caliber they will bring is a 375 most of the time, and we have many one shot kills in very thick bush at close range! obviously shot placement is key and bullets and load, but if one shoots a buff in the vital area with a good bullet with a 375 he is going down!

Most hunters cannot shoot big calibers for several reasons, like cost ,recoil country restrictions and laws and to jump up from shooting normal calibers to like a 458 or something normally doesn't go well as the shooter can develop a flinch so in most cases the 375 is very practical, provide your hunter with good shooting stick and a calm setup with the buffalo at a good angle at a nice close range and you will have very little trouble!

and yes we have had wounded buff situations with 375's but also with every other calibre from 500 nitro to 416............

 

[BryceM]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Don't expect everyone to agree.

 

[Flipper Dude]

The 375 will give you work, insecurity and waste more ammunition... but I never said that the 375 is a bad caliber!

Do you even read your own shit?

 

[Bandera]

If the farmers are begging for people to cull Buffalo, put me in the game coach.
I can bring a 375 Ruger and a 450-400 NE.
We can keep track of the statistics.
Number of shots for each caliber.
Time it takes for buffalo to expire after the shot.
Distance traveled if any.

Oh where are you talking about culling water Buffalo?

 

[coreydb]

The caliber is adequate, bullet design and placement do make a difference. Buffalo are bullet sponges anyway.

 

[HeinSavage]

Clickbait if I ever saw any….

 

[DLSJR]

It's not enough for buffaloes! That's what I meant! Note that I didn't say it doesn't kill, I said it's insufficient most of the time! This gives buffaloes the opportunity to kill hunters, guides, and trackers! Yes, I know it's the most used, not for its efficiency, but for its comfortable recoil... that's why I gave this warning!

Cris, more Cape Buffalo have been killed with a 375 H&H than any other cartridge in history. And many of those were killed very dead with bullets inferior to the choices we have today. There is nothing wrong with a 375, even though there are more effective cartridges that start with a 4.

While you may not be very impressed with a 375, I have a friend who has personally shot almost 400 buffalo and nearly all with a 375/404 wildcat and 300 Grain Monometal bullets. He thinks a 375 is an excellent caliber for buffalo and I won’t disagree with him.

 

[Brian]

If you wanted a professional debate I’d suggest writing your initial post differently next time. It appears more an attempt to be a troll than have a serious debate.

You said buffalo hunting is statistics. Here they are written professionally from a different outfitter.

Thread 'Is Bigger Always Better?'

Dec 7, 2020

I thought this group may enjoy this article I wrote in the latest African Gazette.
A link to that particular issue (of which Divan Labuschagne, one of our great PHs, also took the cover picture):

Let me know your thoughts....

• ndumo HUNTING SAFARIS
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This a well organized and interesting summary of one hunter's experience. I appreciate it.

 

[pc3]

I'm sure you will get a few replies to this post!

I was hunting alongside my son on a recent water buffalo cull hunt in Australia we were sharing a double rifle in .500/416NE (Rimmed .416 Rigby) and a .375 H&H Mag bolt rifle. We were shooting 400 gr bullets in the .416 & 300 gr bullets in the .375. We shot a total of 32 buffalo in 6 days hunting.

There was a significant difference in the effectiveness of the 400 gr .416 compared to the 300 gr .375. I'm not saying that a .375 is not capable because that would be a stupid comment but I am saying that a .416 is a much more effective choice.

My experience on this trip convinced me that I needed a .416 bolt action rifle for future buffalo hunting trips. I just got out to shoot my new Blaser R8 in .416 Rem last week, I could not be happier with it's initial use, it's super accurate and achieved great grouping with 400 gr ammo. It will be my new standard go to rifle for future buffalo hunts.

I was very impressed with the .416 Rigby on my cape buff, 1x 410 gr Woodleigh RNSN in the correct spot, a 30 yard run into some thick stuff and there he died.

I will take a .416 again next time at a minimum, if Cape Buff is again on the menu. I have a .585 Hubel Express in my safe I'd like to try as well one day.

 

[grand veneur]

@Crishuntbrasil

Basically, I agree with you, but defending this opinion is absolutely pointless nowadays, as there are too many established concepts and opinions regarding cartridge selection for buffalo hunting. That a cartridge 416 Rigby for example is not far superior to a cartridge 375 H&H Magnum can only be judged by hunters who have used the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum, but also larger cartridges for shooting more then a few number of buffalo. The majority of those who responded here, some of them aggressive and insulting, have not shot enough buffalo to draw on personal experience. In addition, the majority hunt with a PH and can therefore use what they want under safe conditions. The opinion of many professionals is also ambiguous, as they have to be client-friendly. They defend the use of the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum for hunting buffalo, but upon closer questioning, especially when the client is an user of a big bore rifle, a somewhat different opinion is expressed.

I have not shot hundreds of buffalo, only a double-digit numbers, African and Asian buffalo. I used cartridges like the 9,3x74R and also the 375 H&H Magnum, but above all much larger ones, like the 460 Weatherby Magnum for example, with which I shot more than half of the buffalo. I also had no problems with the smaller calibers, except that the buffalo don't die as easily after a good shot placement as after the same shot but with something larger. We are talking but about exactly 5 buffalo that I shot with smaller cartridges, which is a very little number to highly praise the outstanding effectiveness of smaller bore cartridges like the 375 H&H Magnum. Different when the bigger bore cartridges are concerned, with which I have shot a bigger number of buffalo. The problem remains, however, accurate shooting with anything larger than caliber 375, and therein lies the problem. The statistics quoted above prove it. If I were a professional, I would also prefer my client to hunt with a rifle that he can handle, even if it is in a caliber that is only usable for buffalo hunting at limited extent. Since buffalo hunting has now become hunting tourism, with very diverse clients that need to be satisfied, the established opinion is that the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum is an excellent cartridge for buffalo hunting. Big bore cartridge users know that this is not entirely the case, but it is better for the general peace of mind to let the others and majority continue to believe uncritical in the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum.

 

[Brian]

Where does so much stupidity come from! In exchange for what? Then they call us third world, such an idiot!

Crishuntbrasil,

Thank you for excellent and informed posts.

An internet discussion on bullets, cartridges and cape buffalo sometimes brings the worst out in some people. For no reason at all some folks take comments on the subject personally. I do that sometimes myself.

I appreciate your wise posts and agree with you.
I have killed cape buffalo with cartridges from the 375HH to the 577NE and have proven to my own satisfaction that if I go below the .416 RemMag., buffalo usually take too long to go down, for my liking.

It goes without saying that one must use a premium bullet and put the first one in the right spot on a cape buffalo.

It is also my opinion that most anyone can learn to shoot a 416 RemMag. accurately, off of sticks, in an urgent dangerous game situation.