.375 should be banned from buffalo hunts!

[Tbitty]

I dont see what all the kerfuffle is about. Clearly the ONLY rifle anyone should use for buffalo or DG is the 50 BMG. It is much more effective at instantly putting down an animal than anything listed on this thread so far. By a long shot. Don't take my word for it, do an analysis for yourselves, it will prove easily that it is the best choice.

Bonus fact, you can shoot them from far enough away that even a marginal shot will give you more than enough time to follow up and empty your mag, reload, and do it again while they charge!

Anything under 50 BMG should be banned!

 

[wesheltonj]

+2

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

Thanks for the laugh

There's nothing to be thankful for; I've gotten a lot of these posts.Something I'll never understand is why the hell there are calibers larger than .375, since it solves everything! Do people just like carrying guns that weigh more and hit harder?

 

[pilar]

Dang I love a good Cachaça fueled post

And I truly hope you post some pics of these Brazilian hybrid swamp bulls,
I have have killed some pretty rank Mexican river Cain bulls down in the tick barrier zone , seems like the cows are more likely to come for you then the bulls
But a stout 300wm or 35whelen in the head or neck stops the Rodeo asap , 375 is better though, , I am very interested in hunting dangerous game on the southern continent and on the cheap too

 

[Hunter-Habib]

congratulations, did everyone get caught with a .375? I bet so, it's definitely a great caliber, it's just not (in my opinion) superior to the good old .416 kkkkkk!!!

Why thank you. Yes, they did. I have also shot one with a .458 Winchester Magnum.

And one with the 10.75x68mm Mauser Type B Sporter in this photo.

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

I dont see what all the kerfuffle is about. Clearly the ONLY rifle anyone should use for buffalo or DG is the 50 BMG. It is much more effective at instantly putting down an animal than anything listed on this thread so far. By a long shot. Don't take my word for it, do an analysis for yourselves, it will prove easily that it is the best choice.

Bonus fact, you can shoot them from far enough away that even a marginal shot will give you more than enough time to follow up and empty your mag, reload, and do it again while they charge!

Anything under 50 BMG should be banned!

Hahaha, very good, you caught me on a night when I have time to spare. I'm sorry, but I was responsible for the shitty post that, despite almost getting me a crusade, is still buzzing the entire forum today, so I feel obligated to respond.You know, the other day I saw a video of some guys hunting antelope in Africa with a .50 BMG and nothing fell on impact, everything went flying, falling in front of them.Ballistics stuff.

maybe a 20mm???

 

[375Fox]

Thanks for the laugh

Yeah this is ridiculous when someone says buffalo hunting is statistics yet ignores published statistics.

 

[CBH Australia]

Your tip is noted, my commander. I apologize if I was provocative. That really wasn't my intention, so there's no need for such fury! Breathe, have a beer!

Regarding data, statistics, reports, films, stories, NONE of this replaces our own experiences. I really don't know how to say this without sounding presumptuous, without sounding like I'm bragging, because I'm not. The fact is, I've spent the last 33 years of my life hunting buffalo, months on end.

In Brazil, we don't pay for them; ranchers beg us to hunt them because the feral animals destroy everything, fences, animals kill people... I've hunted hundreds of them, several weighing over a ton, from the swamps to the Amazon rainforest... I could spend a whole night sending you photos of what I'm saying to prove the truth. I recognize a water buffalo hybrid (Carabaí, Marajoara, Murrah, Jafarabadi, or Mediterranean) by its smell and foot size.

They can withstand more punishment (gunshots) than any African buffalo you've ever seen, because they're born and raised in water. It's as if they've been in a gymnasium their entire lives. Their muscle fibers are powerful, and their lungs are much larger. One day I'll tell and show you the punishment they endured from a .505 Gibbs.I respect everyone's opinion, but no one on this planet will be able to change my mind about the superior killing power of the .416 over the .375 HH or any other .375, not after so many years using both calibers together, not after the number of buffalo and other things I've hunted with them.

Ok, let’s curb the debate.

I think sometimes people misunderstand how things are written by foreigners. Just like some people don’t get Aussie humour.

How about starting a hunt thread. I had no idea Brazil had Buffalo.

I own a .375H&H but have not hunted any DG.

 

[Tbitty]

You do see why your title and subsequent OP and follow ups are drawing criticism, don't you? I mean, your first post ends by saying: "now you can criticize!"

Saying the 375 should be banned is a huge stretch and will draw a lot a (well deserved) backlash compared to saying the 416 is more effective than the 375. You gave no viable facts, statistics,.or even basic opinion based details for why you made the claim in OP. As you've admitted since, the 375 has likely killed more buffalo than any other caliber, so why on earth should it be banned?

Even some exaggerated statements you make are quite obviously going to draw reactions, even if you claim it wasnt intentional. Examples:
"The 375 should not be used for buffalos"
"Its not enough"
"Thousands of lives would have been saved ... if 416 minimum."

Your replies over the last page or so of this thread seem to have tamed down and become more rational or at least less controversial. Had you lead with those, I think this thread would have a lot better discussion and less tension.

 

[sureshot375]

 

[Skshyk]

I hear the Buffalo’s have huge butts in Brazil and are very dangerous maybe that’s why he think 375 is not enough….

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

Ok, let’s curb the debate.

I think sometimes people misunderstand how things are written by foreigners. Just like some people don’t get Aussie humour.

How about starting a hunt thread. I had no idea Brazil had Buffalo.

I own a .375H&H but have not hunted any DG.

I have the largest herd outside Southeast Asia, thousands of them completely wild for over 100 years, mainly in the northern region of the country! However, we currently face serious problems with a communist government that wants to ban weapons and has already banned hunting! Damn them, let's bring them down, Trump is helping us!

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

I hear the Buffalo’s have huge butts in Brazil and are very dangerous maybe that’s why he think 375 is not enough….

Hunting for this species hasn't been banned yet, and they number in the thousands. They devour everything: marriages, assets, farms, shares... Almost all of them are named after hurricanes: Katrina, Wilma, Irma, and Maria, because when they arrive in your life, they cause a gale, and when they leave, they take everything you have!We shoot this species here with shorter weapons...the main hunting season is during Carnival!

 

[thoma018]

I dont see what all the kerfuffle is about. Clearly the ONLY rifle anyone should use for buffalo or DG is the 50 BMG. It is much more effective at instantly putting down an animal than anything listed on this thread so far. By a long shot. Don't take my word for it, do an analysis for yourselves, it will prove easily that it is the best choice.

Bonus fact, you can shoot them from far enough away that even a marginal shot will give you more than enough time to follow up and empty your mag, reload, and do it again while they charge!

Anything under 50 BMG should be banned!

Ah, the hell with a Fifty....Carl Gustaf, I'd say--- and the later versions only weight about 15lbs as I remember, so not much more than your 11-12 lb rifle so there you go...

 

[Flipper Dude]

Maybe it's less idiotic than you think, the idiot responsible for the idiotic post invites you to read the constructive debates that the "unfortunate" post is generating.

Nah. I’ll stand by my original statement

 

[Rare Breed]

What I am saying is that the buffaloes that injured or killed someone after being shot with a 375 would not have been as many if they had been shot with a 416. In other words, fewer people would have been harmed.

Personally I have taken my four with a 404 Jeffery and a 470 NE. I have absolutely nothing against a 375 which is a great caliber

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

You do see why your title and subsequent OP and follow ups are drawing criticism, don't you? I mean, your first post ends by saying: "now you can criticize!"

Saying the 375 should be banned is a huge stretch and will draw a lot a (well deserved) backlash compared to saying the 416 is more effective than the 375. You gave no viable facts, statistics,.or even basic opinion based details for why you made the claim in OP. As you've admitted since, the 375 has likely killed more buffalo than any other caliber, so why on earth should it be banned?

Even some exaggerated statements you make are quite obviously going to draw reactions, even if you claim it wasnt intentional. Examples:
"The 375 should not be used for buffalos"
"Its not enough"
"Thousands of lives would have been saved ... if 416 minimum."

Your replies over the last page or so of this thread seem to have tamed down and become more rational or at least less controversial. Had you lead with those, I think this thread would have a lot better discussion and less tension.

Much of the confusion stems from an inadequate translation of the word "banned." I don't speak English well enough to write it correctly, so I use a translator who often mixes up the words. From the beginning, I've always wanted to say that the legal minimum for buffalo hunting should be the .416, not the .375. My point was (and still is), based on hundreds of buffalo hunts I've done actively using these two calibers side by side for many, many years. I'm saying that the .416 is a much more effective caliber for buffalo than the .375, regardless of the bullet, shot placement, or any other detail. The .416 will kill faster, more effectively, and more safely, whether it's a good shot or a bad one! And it's the same with lions. I've hunted 25 as a guide, one in South Africa and Mozambique. The .416 is the best caliber in the world for lions! The 375 will give you work, insecurity and waste more ammunition... but I never said that the 375 is a bad caliber! On the contrary, it is a wild card, you can do everything in the world with it, or almost everything.

 

[Flewis]

Many people stop at the 375 because to go bigger takes more time and effort. For some the minimum is good enough.

 

[Rare Breed]

Your tip is noted, my commander. I apologize if I was provocative. That really wasn't my intention, so there's no need for such fury! Breathe, have a beer!

Regarding data, statistics, reports, films, stories, NONE of this replaces our own experiences. I really don't know how to say this without sounding presumptuous, without sounding like I'm bragging, because I'm not. The fact is, I've spent the last 33 years of my life hunting buffalo, months on end.

In Brazil, we don't pay for them; ranchers beg us to hunt them because the feral animals destroy everything, fences, animals kill people... I've hunted hundreds of them, several weighing over a ton, from the swamps to the Amazon rainforest... I could spend a whole night sending you photos of what I'm saying to prove the truth. I recognize a water buffalo hybrid (Carabaí, Marajoara, Murrah, Jafarabadi, or Mediterranean) by its smell and foot size.

They can withstand more punishment (gunshots) than any African buffalo you've ever seen, because they're born and raised in water. It's as if they've been in a gymnasium their entire lives. Their muscle fibers are powerful, and their lungs are much larger. One day I'll tell and show you the punishment they endured from a .505 Gibbs.I respect everyone's opinion, but no one on this planet will be able to change my mind about the superior killing power of the .416 over the .375 HH or any other .375, not after so many years using both calibers together, not after the number of buffalo and other things I've hunted with them.

If you can shoot it so that your first shot does the job then bigger is better. Most people are not comfortable shooting over the 375. They have full confidence with that and make their first shot count. I think in terms of two things. 1. My first point 2. Stopping caliber versus non stopping. Most of our forum agree the 375 is not a stopping caliber but it does a great job killing a buff with a well placed shot. If you miss I do not believe anything in the fours and fives will help you any more…you are in trouble. Me personally I consider the 450 NE and up a true stopping caliber

 

[Crishuntbrasil]

For the enjoyment of the friends and enemies I made here in this post, I leave here a few photos of our many travels around South America!