375 H&H a dud?

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  1. spike.t

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    Really well done counselor!
     
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    +1, but IvW don’t take him too seriously, after all he’s just a writer trying to make a living.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    This is actually the Spomer Index after this article...

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    I think he succeeded in obtaining attention.
     
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    I read this. I’ve got far less experience than Ron, but I’ve taken everything from steenbok to kudu with my .30-06 and many N American animals with my .270 Winchester. Thankfully never lost an animal, though I almost did with a very poorly placed shot on a hartebeest. Anyway, this year was the first year I hunted with a .375 H&H (cow elk), and the results were devastating. The AccuBond entered, expanded, completely destroyed the heart, and exited the other side. The animal did not take a single step. Again, I’m a novice compared to the writer, but there’s a century of evidence and my own experience that contradicts his thesis.
     

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    lvw summed it up very nicely.

    Spomer seems to be placing blame on a cartridge/bullet instead of correctly placing the blame on poor shot placement (even though he seems to admit, at least nearly so, that shot placement was suspect in several cases).

    I thought he was above such an article.
     

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    I have met and talked to Ron Spomer on a couple of occasions as well as read some of his work. Although, as Ridgewalker suggests, that writers need to stir the s—t now and then to generate interest, I would have expected better from Spomer. It is ALL about bullet placement.
    On my first safari, first day, I had to take a quick, longer shot on an eland. In my haste, I neglected to ask the PH for the range and hit the eland low with a .375 using a 300gr Swift. One blob of blood, 15 miles of tracking later, we lost the animal. My fault... period!
    I went on to take two impala and a bushbuck on that hunt and an elk years ago with that .375. No issues. The two impala dropped to the shot. One at 75 yds and the other at 180 yds. The bushbuck (160 yds) took about three walking steps and went down. The elk was taken back in the 1980’s using a 270gr Hornady at about 175 yds. Staggered forward for about 10 yds and down.
    Although I would prefer a cartridge that begins with a .4 for buffalo, I wouldn’t hesitate to use a .375. And for a one rifle, buff and PG safari, it would be tough to find a better choice (is there one?) than a .375.
     
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    Ron flat out says this will stir up things and he is right. He throws out his observations and lets you make your own minds up, that is what scientific discussion is all about. I have zero problems with this article. The 375, be it in front the H&H, Ruger, Weatherby or whatever is an exceptional penatrating bullet. That has it's downside if not considered. What he's showing to me is sometimes it's energy isn't dissipated much on straight flesh hits on smaller animals. As @tarbe states "Likely, the 300gr X Bullet dumped a large portion of its KE on something beyond the reedbuck". @ Phillip Glass appears to have the same experience when not hitting bone. I'm not giving up my 375 Ruger, way too much proof it works, but this and what many of you have added point out that either a rapidly expanding bullet or even a flat nosed bullet out of it might be the better choice for lighter game in order to transfer energy before it passes through.
     
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    Ryan - You are absolutely correct.

    In addition to focusing more on shot placement, he should have also pointed out the problems caused by using an improper bullet for the game being hunted!

    As opposed to just suggesting the 375 is somehow lacking....
     
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    He just threw out a lot of hogwash and did not state the facts..He is just trying to stir the pot because he cannot shoot a 375 H&H...

    Bullet performance is most certainly important and correct bullet selection is needed for the intended species and it is clear that the bullet selection was not correct, but blaming any caliber for poor shot placement and shooter incompetence well...that is just
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    Does this generation have any good outdoor writers? (This side of Jim Carmichael and Thomas McIntyre, who seems to vary from ok to spiritual. )
     
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    Steve Rinella. ‘American Buffalo’ is a tremendous book.
     
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    I have watched Ron on his "Winchester World of Whitetail" and really like his attitude and most especially his method of hunting (usually spot and stalk), and he is an exceptional shot. BUT, I do think he has to come up with new ideas for the articles he writes.

    I would put the reported failures of the .375 H&H down to the fact that so many people *use* the .375 H&H. Also, there is no way I would expect any big bore to bring down light game as quickly if bone isn't struck. The bullets just past through without expending much energy in the animal and the lower velocities mean there is less hydro-dynamic shock produced.
     
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    You’re right, I’ve killed heaps of pigs with big cartridges, and they don’t knock them down as emphatically as .30-30, .308, .275 etc.
     

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    Philip I see on Midway USA that the 300 grain Federal Premium Tropy Bonded Bear Claw will be available soon for reloading purposes. I highly recommend them in the 375 H&H and see no reason why they wouldn’t perform well in the 375 Ruger.

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