Politics

It’s a dying genre. They were probably already looking for an escape route.

Altitude sickness said:

Firing talk show hosts has zero to do with the 1st amendment. It’s purely a business decision. The people running ABC, CBS, NBC have no morals other than worshiping ratings and money. Do we really think they care if Charlie Kirk’s friends or family were offended

The networks are not getting rid of profitable people. If the employee is more in the liability column than the profitability column. It’s an easy decision.

ABC paid trump 16 million in damages. They only paid Kimmel 15 million per year in a dying genre.

They most likely have a clause in their contract that got exercised.

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The head of the FCC threatening to pull their license and other legal remedies is entirely about the first amendment.

Trump threatening to sick the justice department on an ABC reporter is also about the first amendment.

RLD said:

Yes, you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theatre when you know there is no fire.

But that is not at all what is happening here.

Plus don't forget the rest of that rule:

"FCC rules specifically say that the “public harm must begin immediately, and cause direct and actual damage to property or to the health or safety of the general public, or diversion of law enforcement or other public health and safety authorities from their duties.”

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Like Colbert's show, I'd guess Kimmel's was absolutely hemorrhaging money, and he was looking at the same hook some time next year that Colbert got a couple months ago.

Kimmel lied, ABC/Disney told him to apologize, he said no. That's why he was fired.

As far as canceling people...

Plenty on the right, and sane people on the left, were canceled for simply questioning the narrative on covid, on the vax, on BLM, on men "competing" in women's sports, and a number of other things. Just for ASKING QUESTIONS or trying to have a convo.

Charlie Kirk was the ultimate cancellation - he was murdered, and they celebrated that murder, just for him trying to talk to people in public so the whole world could see it. The cancellations over the last decade bear absolutely zero resemblance to the cancellations occurring now. Do not allow dissembling leftist kooks convince you otherwise.

Another famous streamer/y-tuber said a couple days ago he wants a genocide for everybody on the right, including (apparently) anyone to the right of Pol Pot or Leon Trotsky. This dude has a non-trivial following. He actually called out podcaster Tim Pool, a lefty himself, as needing to be part of the genocide.

Many of the people getting canceled now over being gleeful about the murder of Charlie Kirk are teachers. I know with absolutely certainty I do not want people like that teaching my grandchildren. I'm glad they got fired. Doctors and nurses gleeful about the murder...would you REALLY trust them to take care of you if they knew your politics? Also glad they've all been sacked. If you're an employer, do you REALLY want someone like that working for you? That's bad for business.

There are only 2 ways to deal with men: violence or persuasion; logic or the barrel of a gun. We know which way the gleeful a-holes swing on that. They need to be denied the means of further propagating their abhorrent rhetoric or from have the ability to actually act on it.

Minneapolis burned after George Floyd self-deleted via a fentanyl overdose (in the hospital, I'd add, not on the street, not at the hands of Derek Chauvin). The response after CK was murdered? Prayer vigils. Self-identified atheists and agnostics and long-time backsliders on tik-tok and X asking "where can I go to church, what do I need to do?"

We are not the same. Not even close.

A bit more irony from the past.

HookMeUpII said:

Pretty wild to see the evolution right? Apparently him and Adam Carolla are still good friends which is encouraging. They supposedly, just do not talk any politics.

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Agreed, and speaking of the differences between Carolla & Kimmel - Look at the financial discrepancy between their careers after the man show.

Carolla expresses his honest views and keeps his career but does not take off like a rockstar.

Kimmel - Spews leftist tirades and at the very best half truths and he ascends to $30mil a year on his late show.

It's obvious and not by just the above comparison, that there is major money in spewing certain propaganda.

RLD said:

Bingo.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," gets tossed out the window pretty fast these days.

Freedom of speech includes very distasteful subjects and viewpoints. But it appears that some folks only want messages they approve of to be disseminated and are willing to use the power of the state to suppress ideas they don't like. Not the sign of a healthy democracy.

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I am afraid the world has never worked that way - certainly not in the US. I strongly support our rights to speak freely. However, nowhere in the constitution is there a right of no consequences for speech. I served over a period of nearly forty-five years in two professions where my speech was always monitored - however informally. I absolutely could have paid the price of either of those careers by publicly exercising my right of free speech to say something harmful, libelous, or otherwise unacceptable to my employers.

For two administrations, and particularly the last one, conservatives were held to a far higher standard of consequences than their fellow liberal citizens. They were fired, blocked, canceled, and exiled from "acceptable" liberal society. That stretched the band pretty tight, and it is amusing to me how surprised the left is by the power of that snap back.

Tanks said:

The company that owns bunch of ABC affiliates has a $6B+ merger pending approval, so they pulled the Kimmel show due to possible retaliation from Trump administration. Ditto for the threat from the FCC head.

It is a freedom of speech issue in that it forced ABC to pull the plug due to the administration's possible retaliation. It became a business decision due to the administration's stance. The show would not have lost viewers due to what Kimmel said as he was preaching to the choir.

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Nexstar and Sinclair are the two largest ABC affiliates. Both told ABC they were pulling Kimmel from the time slot. That combined with ratings down over 40% from January to August probably made dropping Kimmel an easy decision. Kimmel’s ratings were worse than Cobert who has already been let go at the end of the contract and was loosing $40m a year.

HookMeUpII said:

You could put it that way.

In NJ, all handgun person-to-person sales must go through an FFL, in-state. The purchaser must have a valid (one-time use) handgun permit in possession. In fact, if it is known you are an NJ resident and you attempt to purchase a handgun at a gunshow or FFL out of state (ie: PA), they likely will not sell you one. If they do, and you are caught with that handgun in NJ, not registered to a permit, you are going to jail.

The onerous part about NJ gun laws, other than the CCW restrictions, is the stupid single-use HG permit deal.

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It sounds like the gunlaws overhere. I read that in some towns shooting an airgun within citylimits is a felon. I think that was in Colorado. The freedoms are tightning in small turns.

rigbymauser said:

It sounds like the gunlaws overhere. I read that in some towns shooting an airgun within citylimits is a felon. I think that was in Colorado. The freedoms are tightning in small turns.

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I am not sure where you live but NJ has always been NJ, unfortunately. To hear stuff like that happening in traditionally 2A aligned states is quite frankly, terrifying. If that can happen there...God help us where it can go here (in NJ).

sgt_zim said:

Minneapolis burned after George Floyd self-deleted via a fentanyl overdose (in the hospital, I'd add, not on the street, not at the hands of Derek Chauvin).

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Speaking of misinformation...
Coroner ruled it homicide, not OD. Tox reports showed 11 ng/ml of Fentanyl whereas loss of consciousness occurs at 34 ng/ml.

Colbert, Kimmel. ..if we could just get those cackling dried up old vagina's on the view off the airwaves. ....aka.....Joy Behar, and Whoopie Goldberg.

Brent in Az said:

Colbert, Kimmel. ..if we could just get those cackling dried up old vagina's on the view off the airwaves. ....aka.....Joy Behar, and Whoopie Goldberg.

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Why do you care? They are not changing anyone's minds. I have never watched them except clips now and then when something that was said on the show gets mentioned, and I do not know anyone in my circle that watches them. Just like Maddow they have their own limited captive audience.

Tanks said:

Why do you care? They are not changing anyone's minds. I have never watched them except clips now and then when something that was said on the show gets mentioned, and I do not know anyone in my circle that watches them. Just like Maddow they have their own limited captive audience.

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Why do I care? Because I'm effing tired of right wing media outlets posting video clips and commentary from those hate filled bitches.
The sooner they fade into obscurity and irrelevance.......

Tanks said:

Speaking of misinformation...
Coroner ruled it homicide, not OD. Tox reports showed 11 ng/ml of Fentanyl whereas loss of consciousness occurs at 34 ng/ml.

George Floyd Full Autopsy Report : Andrew M. Baker, Hennepin County Coroner : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Full autopsy report of George Floyd.Source: https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf

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that's the misinformation. the coroner was HEAVILY leaned on to change his report. the original report is available everywhere. but thanks for playing, you're wrong.

in any case, he died in the hospital. chauvin putting his knee on floyd's shoulder blade (watch the body cam footage from the other cop) had zero to do with his death.

At trial, they used floyd's pre-mortem norfentanyl numbers. Norfentanyl spikes post-mortem. They might just as well have put a BNSF locomotive in the courtroom.

Is there any truth to the “I can’t breathe” ? I thought I remembered the last time I was certified the instructor said this could not happen. If it couldn’t happen how could George Floyd say anything?

Hunt anything said:

Is there any truth to the “I can’t breathe” ? I thought I remembered the last time I was certified the instructor said this could not happen. If it couldn’t happen how could George Floyd say anything?

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an OD of potent opioids can/does cause respiratory arrest. too much heroin, morphine, hydromorphone, fentanyl, or even meperidine stops people from breathing. even vicodin/hydrocodone can, but you'll die of tylenol poisoning long before you'll go into respiratory arrest.

if somebody can say "i can't breathe," obviously they can breathe. but he was in early stages of going into respiratory arrest. easier to say "i can't breathe" than to say "i'm having difficulty breathing" or some facsimile of that.

I didn’t ask the question very well. I guess I was getting at is that about 90% of the medias George Floyd narrative was bull crap.

Wheels said:

Nexstar and Sinclair are the two largest ABC affiliates. Both told ABC they were pulling Kimmel from the time slot. That combined with ratings down over 40% from January to August probably made dropping Kimmel an easy decision. Kimmel’s ratings were worse than Cobert who has already been let go at the end of the contract and was loosing $40m a year.

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Thank you posting this. As well as what @Redleg said you free to say whatever you want but not free from consequences. Jimmy said a blatant lie, to say the shooter was MAGA was false and given the events of the past year, was done specifically to keep people fired up, this wasnt even a "both sides" argument, this was purely placing the blame back at Republicans.

This was a business decision pure and simple. He was down to 125k viewers in the 18-49 segment. One of, if not the biggest affiliate said enough and they weren't going to carry his show. And this gave Disney/ABC an easy out.

He could have apologized but he didn't, in a way, good for him for standing for principles.

FCC has done nothing to date other than say they might investigate it, Im not a fan of the FCC but saying they caused this is complete BS. One man caused Jimmy to get fired and it was Jimmy himself. He will probably start a podcast tomorrow and anyone that wants to can listen in, so please explain to me how his freedom of speech was violated.

LivingTheDream said:

Thank you posting this. As well as what @Redleg said you free to say whatever you want but not free from consequences. Jimmy said a blatant lie, to say the shooter was MAGA was false and given the events of the past year, was done specifically to keep people fired up, this wasnt even a "both sides" argument, this was purely placing the blame back at Republicans.

This was a business decision pure and simple. He was down to 125k viewers in the 18-49 segment. One of, if not the biggest affiliate said enough and they weren't going to carry his show. And this gave Disney/ABC an easy out.

He could have apologized but he didn't, in a way, good for him for standing for principles.

FCC has done nothing to date other than say they might investigate it, Im not a fan of the FCC but saying they caused this is complete BS. One man caused Jimmy to get fired and it was Jimmy himself. He will probably start a podcast tomorrow and anyone that wants to can listen in, so please explain to me how his freedom of speech was violated.

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I agree that a business decision is what happened. I disagree that the FCC did nothing. When the Chair publicly mentions that an on air content might be investigated that is notice to a business. If they are going to investigate they should do so without comment.

I have no problem with business decisions. But I don’t think anything Kimmel did warrants FCC action. Any more than the thousands of Lewinsky comment and jokes made by Kate night hosts did or any of Carson’s jokes about Reagan or SNL bits about every single President.

I believe FCC should only take action in very extreme cases this was far from that. And I believe that the business decision were influence by the public comments of the FCC chair because they are pursuing an acquisition that requires FCC approval.

Eff him. Glad he’s gone. He’s not going to hurting for money either way but schadenfreude is real. He should be grateful that he’s not getting half of what he deserves.