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It’s becoming more apparent that Trump does not want China to come to the table. He wants the tariff money.

Hopefully Walmart sticks to their guns and refuses to absorb the tariff cost. Leaving those additional costs with China.
 
It’s becoming more apparent that Trump does not want China to come to the table. He wants the tariff money.

Hopefully Walmart sticks to their guns and refuses to absorb the tariff cost. Leaving those additional costs with China.
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand this comment.

Tariffs are paid by the person or entity bringing the product into the country, right? I mean, the US government can’t impose the charge on the Chinese manufacturer?

So in the case of Walmart, it’s Walmart that pays for the product in China, and brings it into the US, or orders it from the Chinese vendor. So either way, Walmart pays the tariff, right?

The only way the tariff can be paid by the Chinese vendor is if the vendor reduce its price by the amount of the tariff, so that Walmart ends up paying less for the goods they import to sell, right? If the Chinese manufacturer refuses to do that, isn’t Walmart’s only option to stop buying from the Chinese manufacturer?

And isn’t the result in that case empty shelves at Walmart?

How have I got this wrong?
 
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand this comment.

Tariffs are paid by the person or entity bringing the product into the country, right? I mean, the US government can’t impose the charge on the Chinese manufacturer?

So in the case of Walmart, it’s Walmart that pays for the product in China, and brings it into the US, or orders it from the Chinese vendor. So either way, Walmart pays the tariff, right?

The only way the tariff can be paid by the Chinese vendor is if the vendor reduce its price by the amount of the tariff, so that Walmart ends up paying less for the goods they import to sell, right? If the Chinese manufacturer refuses to do that, isn’t Walmart’s only option to stop buying from the Chinese manufacturer?

And isn’t the result in that case empty shelves at Walmart?

How have I got this wrong?
Sort of...

What China does in times like this is manipulate their currency but the larger action are increased their to their factories. They will offset costs by direct returns to exporting factories of 5% on average to 10%-15% during times like now. Factories cant take the drop in POs, so the government heavily subsidizes them on the VAT refunds. They will also lower their profit margins across the board between raw material suppliers, final assembly, etc..

I don't think they will change currency much as its tighter right now, but will increase factory subsidies.

Furthermore, to feed a beast like Walmart (I import and have imported around 50M-1000M yearly for Walmart business) there are no shortage of 'agent' companies that are opened by former Walmart personnel. They know the ins and outs and certainly make the jobs easier for buyers, analysts, etc. This is an added layer of margin that's not needed. I imagine these will be trimmed away.

Finally, and probably the larger point, there's no denying these actins against China are to weaken their economy. The US absolutely needs to get away from the easy button of China, for a few reasons:

-Their workforce is dying off. There simply won't be the labor there in the next decade to keep production going at low rates and the new generation does not want the unskilled labor jobs. Hence why so many (including myself) are resourcing out at China and have been for 10+ years, albeit faster now.
-Less production in China means a weaker China. Less spoken on this thread about this, but a weaker China is on par with a weaker Russia....better for the US

-There are better low cost options for items that need low cost manufacturing. Even Chinese companies know this and are investing in many more SE and Asian countries for factory development. China still supplies much of the raw materials, so they are partly appeased, but labor is exported.

-Arguably as important, we have found out over the last 7-8 years that the US can compete in manufacturing on certain levels. Section 301 tariffs identified this and US production has increased. This requires a mentality shift as well as a technology investment which I do believe the 5 Trillion dollars pledged is just the start during this administration.

Now, back to the point, it will not offset a tariff of 96.6% on a backpack (yes, a backpack, 17.6% (HTS)+ 25% (section 301) + 10% (first EO)+ 10% (second EO), +34% (Reciprocal announcement)). these are stackable. However, any educated NPD Manager or Sourcing Manager has qualified factories in a variety of countries since 2017.

I don't think there is any denying that Trump is happy to not talk to China until more items, both capital and consumer, are moved out of China.
 
It is true that us boomers are dieing off I can only.hope the next generation does better even though there is no evidence of such. Good luck.
I don't live or vote in Colorado could care less.
I hope they do better as well and there IS evidence, the 18-30 male demographic is more conservative than the boomers and college kids are trading in their Che Guevara shirts for MAGA hats.....

So yeah nature is healing.

Also, I don't live in Colorado either, but they are still my fellow Americans and I pay attention whenever my fellow Americans have their rights taken away and are forced to give into ideology or face the legal ramifications of loosing custody of their children if they do not follow the status quo of letting a child make decisions up to and including chemical castration.

When parents rights groups asked why they were not allowed to voice their opinion on the matter a Colorado house member replied.....

"We don't ask hate groups for their opinions, someone passing civil rights legislation wouldn't ask the KKK for their opinion"

 
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I know this is of little interest to those who believe in Trump, but with today's open of 37,550, the DOW has lost $1.3 -1.7 trillion in value - across all investments the number is likely $5+ trillion.
 
DOW pre-market down another 2,000 +. After having created this monumental global fiasco, the administration has few tools to stop the hemorrhaging.

Good thing so many in this conversation “believe” in Trump.

Well I was feeling optimistic Jim Cramer was calling for an 8000 point drop and saying "Black Monday", but now he said to not panic. Needless to say, I'm extremely concerned now.
 
I know this is of little interest to those who believe in Trump, but with today's open of 37,550, the DOW has lost $1.3 -1.7 trillion in value - across all investments the number is likely $5+ trillion.

1.3 Trillion was liquidated from the crypto markets over the last week.
 
I know this is of little interest to those who believe in Trump, but with today's open of 37,550, the DOW has lost $1.3 -1.7 trillion in value - across all investments the number is likely $5+ trillion.

Once again, being a mod-conservative, he needs to do something quickly. Press conference, update on countries that have come to the table, or something. This is now eclipsed the pandemic sell-off of March 2020.

Fed is going to do him absolutely no favors.

Ackman, a supporter, (who I don't have a ton of respect for) criticized him. Musk broke with him (and Navarro) on EU tariffs. Lots of the big-money backers feel the same.

If he doesn't start to mitigate this quickly, he is going to lose any ability to float policy when mid-terms are done.
 
For some posters, it really is like allowing a six-year-old to participate in an adult conversation.

I would like one of the believers to explain the goodness of a global market collapse. I absolutely get the eventual onshoring argument, assuming any industries will still have the wherewithal to invest in such restructuring. I get the Free Trade argument, though we might want to be careful what we ask for - we too have protective tariffs. But what is the "value" of the collapse - economically or politically?

Unlike Covid, this panic likely will follow the more traditional pattern where retail activity and jobs impact will be the lagging indicators. Assuming the now almost inevitable recession will be pegged to have started this quarter and with a huge accelerant added by the Tariffs, it will be the Trump Recession. Even if all the promised goodness occurs, it is now likely to be well beyond the mid-terms before it really manifests itself.
 
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And yes, Elon does seem to be breaking with his BFF just a bit over the markets and protectionism. He just posted this on X. Now, should Trump's avowed goal to make revenue off of tariffs be a lie, and what he really wants is free open markets, then I am sure they will be fine.

 
Market is currently staging a turnaround. Little more breathing room.
 
Let me break this down for the Panicans:

America may be the richest country in the world, but every other country has been living high off the hog on our trade deficits for decades

To make things worse, we’ve protected them with our military, a very expensive service provided free of charge

This slowly started to infect us with financial sepsis and now our diagnostics are flashing red & beeping

When we import more than we export, factories close, middle class wealth drops, social problems like drug addiction and crime skyrocket, families break apart, and our national debt grows out of control

Sound familiar?

If we stayed on this path, our country would implode

Trump is fixing America before it’s too late

A little short term pain in exchange for the long term Golden Era

You will be proven wrong just like you were in Covid when you called for lockdowns that killed small businesses
 
Let me break this down for the Panicans:

America may be the richest country in the world, but every other country has been living high off the hog on our trade deficits for decades

To make things worse, we’ve protected them with our military, a very expensive service provided free of charge

This slowly started to infect us with financial sepsis and now our diagnostics are flashing red & beeping

When we import more than we export, factories close, middle class wealth drops, social problems like drug addiction and crime skyrocket, families break apart, and our national debt grows out of control

Sound familiar?

If we stayed on this path, our country would implode

Trump is fixing America before it’s too late

A little short term pain in exchange for the long term Golden Era

You will be proven wrong just like you were in Covid when you called for lockdowns that killed small businesses

The long-term goal is often not achieved overnight. And there's no one that can argue that.

Rumor is he is potentially agreeing to a 90-day pause on all countries besides China (which I agree is fair, they are not our friends).
 
Let me break this down for the Panicans:

America may be the richest country in the world, but every other country has been living high off the hog on our trade deficits for decades

To make things worse, we’ve protected them with our military, a very expensive service provided free of charge

This slowly started to infect us with financial sepsis and now our diagnostics are flashing red & beeping

When we import more than we export, factories close, middle class wealth drops, social problems like drug addiction and crime skyrocket, families break apart, and our national debt grows out of control

Sound familiar?

If we stayed on this path, our country would implode

Trump is fixing America before it’s too late

A little short term pain in exchange for the long term Golden Era

You will be proven wrong just like you were in Covid when you called for lockdowns that killed small businesses
So what you’re saying is that while “America may be the richest country in the world”, it needs to be richer, especially richer than say, the Falkland Islands because . . . More wealth inequality is always a good thing.

Got it.
 
The result are not emty shelfs, the result is that you pay more for the
same product.
You only pay more if Walmart decides to continue bringing in the product which the Chinese vendor has refused to lower the price on, and sell it at the old price plus the tariff, or eat into Walmart’s own profits by absorbing some or all of the impact of the added tariff.

Otherwise, the shelf is indeed bare.
 
So what you’re saying is that while “America may be the richest country in the world”, it needs to be richer, especially richer than say, the Falkland Islands because . . . More wealth inequality is always a good thing.

Got it.
If you didn't grasp the concept, there's no explanation that will.
 
If you didn't grasp the concept, there's no explanation that will.
You’re likely right. A BA in economics and two law degrees (one a Masters) isn’t enough education to grasp the simple concept you’re selling.

My misfortune.
 

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