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[Flbt]

Sorry if you think I am being a "dick" and I will pardon the pun!
Ok you have a couple of photos of hyennas grabing a bulls balls, but no evidence they removed the balls and the bull survived.
Through bitter experience in my younger days, if you do not castrate properly so that you minimise the bleeding then the calf will bleed out. Happy for any othe Ranchers to comment on their experience.
After opening the scrotum and then cuting through the inner white membrain you expose the testicle, you then pop it out like shelling a peanut. (It amazes me, that every time you get to this point some how they rotate the testicel away from the incision). The deferens tube comes off the bottom of the testicle all the blood supply goes in through the top of the testicle. After you pop it out you then need to stretch out the tube and arteries as hard as you can about 10" to 12" from the scrotum and then cut them off within the scrotum so that the arteries then retract down the penus column and seal off.
To use a quote from a great Aussie movie, "Your Dreaming" if you think any preditor is going to remove both testicles without the animal bleeding out.
More than likely any buffalo bullock is due to human intervention.
My whole point of calling out this video is that In Australia firearm owner / hunting are under constant attack and threats to the very future of having access to firearms and hunting. This video does not help our cause. Do what you like, but don't provide fodder to those working against us by placing such videos on such a public site.

Ever cut one with 3?
I have once and saw a girl kicked out of a 4h steer show with a. Nut still in the calf. The dad told me they got 2 .
Been known the guy at that time about 25 years so I don’t think he was lying.
And I have seen one calf cut his self got Cought on barber wire and ripped them both out. But if we had not doctor it he would have bled out.

 

[sambarhunter]

I watched this video last night.


While I appreciate that the client was very compromised with their mobility, it looks like any method justified the means. It appears to me, that the client was positioned in a good location and then the helicopters were used to drive the buffalo to the client.
This is not what I would consider as a legitimate hunt. It is a driven cull at best, no doubt the client paid by the number of heads. This a totally different concept to a fenced hunt.
What are your thoughts?

That beast at the 2.00 mark is showing that it has been pushed to where it is hardly able to keep going, after the hazing by the chopper.

 

[BlueFlyer]

Cought on barber wire and ripped them both out. But if we had not doctor it he would have bled out.

We use 8,000vdc rather than barb wire. We have found it far more effective and less damage to stock. But when you get hit by 8,000vdc you know it.

 

[Flbt]

Electric started to many fires
Granddad used the 4in sq ( hog fence)
Dad tried a old electric “chopper type “ to many fires
Then we went to t post and barbed about 86-88
And yes can be ruff on stock and people
I have quite a few bw scars
Including where a 4h steer desided I need to hit the fence while mucking out there feed area. From the bottom of my little finger to the elbow still have the scar if I remember right 88 stitches in the fl summer and being a stock fence it all got infected to.

 

[BlueFlyer]

Electric started to many fires

Interesting, we are very much in a high risk bushfire area and have never had a fire started.
But on extreme fire risk days we do turn them off - Once the cattle are conditioned to electric fences you can turn them off for a day or 2 as the stock generally avoid the fences.

 

[Flbt]

Interesting, we are very much in a high risk bushfire area and have never had a fire started.
But on extreme fire risk days we do turn them off - Once the cattle are conditioned to electric fences you can turn them off for a day or 2 as the stock generally avoid the fences.

I think it was the older ones with the fire problem.
The chopper type were supposed to burn through green grass. Fl rain and some quick growing weeds you did not want the fence to ground.
And that feature when wet was grate but when dry fire hazard.
I have seen it jump a arch between the wire and the nail holding the insulator about 2 in long. When the wire was not at the proper angle to the nail.
We are talking 70- early 80 tec.
My bro has a tsc 50 mile fence around his feed lot. 50 mile box on a few hundred feet of wire. I bumped it. It was not as hot as what I remember the old charger .

And cracker / long horn never seem to pay one much attention if it just hit the horn.
But like I said all that was probably nothing like todays stuff.

And deer popping the fence was a problem with hot wire again old tec just 10-14ga wire.

 

[Flbt]

Interesting, we are very much in a high risk bushfire area and have never had a fire started.
But on extreme fire risk days we do turn them off - Once the cattle are conditioned to electric fences you can turn them off for a day or 2 as the stock generally avoid the fences.

Just looked up the old box I was wrong the chopper/weed burner ones were late 50 to early 70 tec
So older than I thought

 

[Sarg]

I did have a look at this on Cape Buffalo & found the Rowland Ward No 1 Cape Buffalo for many years was a “Natural” or “Nature” caused Bullock & found a lot more of them, I remember one of my hunters Dick Cabela shot a large Cape Buffalo Bullock back in the day, I don’t know the cause of its castration ?

As can be seen not great for the Bosses but length/width in spread goes up, not my cup of tea but it is what it is.

If someone was doing it commercially, they would wait till the bull had full Bull figures & boss then castrate.

 

[BlueFlyer]

If someone was doing it commercially, they would wait till the bull had full Bull figures & boss then castrate.

You would be a better man than me, trying to castrate a fully developed Cape Buffalo bull.

 

[Sarg]

You would be a better man than me, trying to castrate a fully developed Cape Buffalo bull.

Absolutely, but I have seen what can be done & rest assured they could find away if money is involved !

 

[Flbt]

You would be a better man than me, trying to castrate a fully developed Cape Buffalo bull.

I bet you would dart it a knock it out before you cut it

 

[BlueFlyer]

rest assured they could find away if money is involved !

Sad but true, I guess that has been the underlining theme of this thread.

 

[sambarhunter]

You would be a better man than me, trying to castrate a fully developed Cape Buffalo bull.

A sturdy crush and a couple of leg bars,all good.

 

[sambarhunter]

I did have a look at this on Cape Buffalo & found the Rowland Ward No 1 Cape Buffalo for many years was a “Natural” or “Nature” caused Bullock & found a lot more of them, I remember one of my hunters Dick Cabela shot a large Cape Buffalo Bullock back in the day, I don’t know the cause of its castration ?

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As can be seen not great for the Bosses but length/width in spread goes up, not my cup of tea but it is what it is.

If someone was doing it commercially, they would wait till the bull had full Bull figures & boss then castrate.

One thing for sure is that with that length of horn that beast would flick you over a Kenworth.

 

[BlueFlyer]

A sturdy crush and a couple of leg bars,all good.

I guess they are smaller than a 1300kg Angus Bull, as they just don't fit into a standard crush, not to mention horns! I had to look at a dry cow on the weekend that damaged her eye. She must of weighed about 1100kg - she got stuck in the race!
The tranquilizer dart is plausible, but I get back to the question, why?
If you read the thread about sub 40" buffalo bulls, the over whelming message was that you will remember the hunt regardless the length of horns! Isn't that what it should be about, the hunt is what is important the trophy is the bonus.
Why is Rigby promoting the Dagga Boy trophy? That is focused on old scared & damaged bulls not record size bulls.

 

[Scott CWO]

I did have a look at this on Cape Buffalo & found the Rowland Ward No 1 Cape Buffalo for many years was a “Natural” or “Nature” caused Bullock & found a lot more of them, I remember one of my hunters Dick Cabela shot a large Cape Buffalo Bullock back in the day, I don’t know the cause of its castration ?

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As can be seen not great for the Bosses but length/width in spread goes up, not my cup of tea but it is what it is.

If someone was doing it commercially, they would wait till the bull had full Bull figures & boss then castrate.

PH Mike Angelides of Tanzania had a client shoot a buffalo like this. It had miniature testicles that never developed correctly. I will see if I can get a picture.

 

[Sarg]

I guess they are smaller than a 1300kg Angus Bull, as they just don't fit into a standard crush, not to mention horns! I had to look at a dry cow on the weekend that damaged her eye. She must of weighed about 1100kg - she got stuck in the race!
The tranquilizer dart is plausible, but I get back to the question, why?
If you read the thread about sub 40" buffalo bulls, the over whelming message was that you will remember the hunt regardless the length of horns! Isn't that what it should be about, the hunt is what is important the trophy is the bonus.
Why is Rigby promoting the Dagga Boy trophy? That is focused on old scared & damaged bulls not record size bulls.

Well hard to get a Bull older than this, hardly any teeth in his head, deaf & I don’t think he could see too well either !

Tranquillising would be the way, Vets do 100s for many different reasons.

 

[Josh P]

Blue Flyer I am looking for an extra guide this year

Feel free to reach out with details. This may have been tongue in cheek, but I’m not taking the risk. I’d be happy to apply and report back on the state of the operation after a stint as guide.

 

[Flbt]

I guess they are smaller than a 1300kg Angus Bull, as they just don't fit into a standard crush, not to mention horns! I had to look at a dry cow on the weekend that damaged her eye. She must of weighed about 1100kg - she got stuck in the race!
The tranquilizer dart is plausible, but I get back to the question, why?
If you read the thread about sub 40" buffalo bulls, the over whelming message was that you will remember the hunt regardless the length of horns! Isn't that what it should be about, the hunt is what is important the trophy is the bonus.
Why is Rigby promoting the Dagga Boy trophy? That is focused on old scared & damaged bulls not record size bulls.

I agree with you about what it should be about.
But sadly have you seen what the huge and to me gross looking freak rased white tails sell for and what’s charge to hunt the high in. Things behind a high fence.
Saw a show where they had to cut the antlers off a pen rased for breeding buck because they were so heavy he could not lift his head.