Why avoid Hornady DG bullets and ammunition?

Discussion in 'Firearms & Ammunition' started by Paul Edwards, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. Art Lambart II

    Art Lambart II AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2015
    Messages:
    807
    Video/Photo:
    20
    Likes Received:
    972
    Location:
    Kansas City
    Member of:
    NRA Life Member, SCI, QDMA
    Hunted:
    MI, TX, MO, South Africa Limpopo & Northwest Provinces
    @Longwalker I would be fine using the DGX Bonded bullet in a 450/400. I think this argument is down to good, better, best, most people agree that the DGX Bonded is not the best expanding DG bullet on the market but with a 90% weight retention its certainly a good DG bullet. Give the fact that your double was regulated for Hornady ammo makes it the best bullet you can use. All of the famous hunters we so often quote on this site never had a NP let alone a bonded bullet, they used cup & core or solids for their storied exploits. The only modern hunter I know who has a similar number of safaris to the legends is Craig Boddington and he uses Hornady ammo and never had an issue with the original DGX bullet.
     
    CAustin and Big5 like this.

  2. BeeMaa

    BeeMaa AH Elite

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2017
    Messages:
    1,199
    Video/Photo:
    40
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Location:
    Eastern US
    Member of:
    NRA Life Member, SCI
    Hunted:
    Eastern US & RSA
    Longwalker - Check out this thread.
    https://www.africahunting.com/threads/hornady-dgx-ammo.47985/
    It gives the lot number above which the new bonded ammo is made to make sure you get the bonded bullets.

    I have not used Hornady DGX ammo and therefore have no personal experience with it.
    When I was testing loads on my 375H&H is when Hornady was having problems so I've just avoided their brand altogether.

    If you are still uneasy about using Hornady, maybe look into having custom ammo made from Hendershot's.
    https://hendershots.net/product/450-400-nitro-express-extreme-custom-ammo/
    I'm not familiar with Canadian law re: ammo and it's sale, but there must be someone who can work up some hand loads.
     

    Attached Files:


  3. Longwalker

    Longwalker AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2015
    Messages:
    471
    Video/Photo:
    41
    Likes Received:
    720
    Member of:
    Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation, Saskatoon Gun Dog Club
    Hunted:
    Canada USA, Germany, South Africa, Namibia
    those lot numbers will be helpful thanks!
     

  4. 1dirthawker

    1dirthawker AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2013
    Messages:
    400
    Video/Photo:
    13
    Likes Received:
    556
    @Longwalker,

    not a expert on african DG, but...i would not be concerned about using the new bonded bullets, DGX bonded as a soft. the DGS will be like a woodleigh solid. are there better softs, probably. are the DGX enough? i would use em. i ended up shooting north fork softs and solids.

    that said, i WOULD use the NEW hornady bonded ammo if my rifle regulated for it and i did not reload.

    as longwalker said above, there is some justified discontent for the old hornady DGX. i was one of those guys. then they fixed the bullet and made it better, so... good on em. the best bullet available, not in my never to be humble opinion. will they work? bet you a $100 bucks they will.

    i recently read on the nitro express site about how a hunter (80+ years ago) shot not one but two buffalo, wounded them, and never recovered them. that behavior would not be acceptable today. would cost you 10-20,000 in trophy fees for an animal NOT RECOVERED.

    we have better bullets now and different ethics. would a hornady bonded work? yup, with good shot placement. will a swift a frame work, yup, with good shot placement. both will suck if the buffalo is gut shot. both will work if hit properly.

    shot placement, then a proper bullet is every thing. the one thing you cannot change once you pull the trigger.... the bullet. if you are thinking about that, then you are on the right path. good hunting.
     
    Art Lambart II, CAustin and BeeMaa like this.

  5. Witold Krzyżanowski

    Witold Krzyżanowski AH ENABLER AH Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2013
    Messages:
    4,544
    Video/Photo:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2,107
    Location:
    Trzebiatów
    Member of:
    1977; Polish Hunting Assotiation
    Hunted:
    Namibia, Zimbabwe
    I agree with 1dirthawker.
     

  6. BeeMaa

    BeeMaa AH Elite

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2017
    Messages:
    1,199
    Video/Photo:
    40
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Location:
    Eastern US
    Member of:
    NRA Life Member, SCI
    Hunted:
    Eastern US & RSA
    I will start by saying that I have a great amount of respect for 1dirthawker.
    In your profession and personal life have certainly taken more game than I.
    So I agree with you to an extent, but that being why are you not using the absolute BEST available?
    I understand that if the Hornady is the only ammo that regulates in the firearm, then yes, of course use the Hornaday.
    IMO if you are not using the best constructed bullet that you can afford for the game to be hunted, that lacks ethics as well.
     

  7. Michael Dean

    Michael Dean AH Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2015
    Messages:
    331
    Video/Photo:
    7
    Likes Received:
    403
    I'm sorry, the basic fact that there have been so many complaints regarding their products that it would generate a forum discussion leaves me to believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with Hornady products. There are too many excellent bullet manufacturers to chose from today that it seems foolish to compromise a hunt by using a questionable and marginal product.
    If you don't reload there are several companies that will taylor a cartridge to your specifications, there's no reason to use a questionable product.
     
    ActionBob likes this.

  8. Pheroze

    Pheroze AH ENABLER AH Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Messages:
    3,349
    Video/Photo:
    51
    Likes Received:
    3,160
    Location:
    Ontario
    Member of:
    OFAH, DSC
    Hunted:
    South Africa, Canada, USA
    Importing is easy. It's the dollar difference that sucks. Having said that, if you wanted to try this out I like working with

    http://www.reloadinginternational.com/

    They have imported bullets and a rifle for me. Worst case scenario you get trigger time!:)
     

  9. Royal27

    Royal27 AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    8,805
    Video/Photo:
    83
    Likes Received:
    10,792
    Member of:
    DSC, NRA, SCI
    Hunted:
    USA - TX, CO, GA, ID. Africa - Zimbabwe and South Africa (Limpopo and EC)
    You mean the guy that's paid to sponsor a product says good things about them in public. As I recall, sponsors defending product is part of how this thread got so long.

    Candidly and respectfully, I think your statement says more about the effectiveness of sponsorship than it does about the effectiveness of dgx bullets.

    @Longwalker,

    As long as you understand that you're not shooting a true premium bullet (which I'm pretty sure you do) I say take the rifle (ensuring you have the new bonded version should help too). If you reload and have time to find a better bullet that regulates I'd tell you to try and do that first. But as much as I have a personal distaste for Hornady, dgx in particular and Hornady quality control in general, it's still more powerful than a bow and arrow and we hunt with those .

    My annoyance always comes from people who say "dgx is just as good as...." It's not. And, I think that's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. That said, if I were in Zimbabwe, lost my ammo, and had to use dgx or not hunt I'd use it. It's better than nothing.... It's not premium is all. The mild levels of the 450-400 should also help I would think.

    On the DGS yes it seems that there are fewer issues, but there are still issues. My personal belief is that it's a quality control issue more than a design issue. Although, the dgs design is not true premium either with it's lead core. Below is a dgs recovered from a lion of all animals.... Not exactly thick skinned....

    Good luck with your hunt and enjoy every second!

    downloadfile-4 (1).jpg
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2019
    WAB, ActionBob and cbvanb like this.

  10. Royal27

    Royal27 AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    8,805
    Video/Photo:
    83
    Likes Received:
    10,792
    Member of:
    DSC, NRA, SCI
    Hunted:
    USA - TX, CO, GA, ID. Africa - Zimbabwe and South Africa (Limpopo and EC)

  11. Big5

    Big5 AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    778
    Video/Photo:
    2
    Likes Received:
    748
    Member of:
    SCI Life member, NRA Life/Benefactor member
    Hunted:
    USA, Canada, Mexico, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia, South Africa, Spain, Russia
    I have known Craig for many years. In my experience I have not only found him to be a man with a wealth of hunting experience but one of integrity as well. I do not believe the man I know would prostitute himself and tarnish his reputation by sponsoring a product that he knows to be defective. But to each his own.

    Just my 2 cents . . . . and good hunting to you with no matter what ammunition you choose.
    .
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2019

  12. Royal27

    Royal27 AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    8,805
    Video/Photo:
    83
    Likes Received:
    10,792
    Member of:
    DSC, NRA, SCI
    Hunted:
    USA - TX, CO, GA, ID. Africa - Zimbabwe and South Africa (Limpopo and EC)
    There is a 23 page thread on the subject of Mr. Boddington . I like cheese on my eggs. ;)

    https://www.africahunting.com/threads/cb-finance-debate-egg-recipes-etc.42879/
     

  13. Witold Krzyżanowski

    Witold Krzyżanowski AH ENABLER AH Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2013
    Messages:
    4,544
    Video/Photo:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2,107
    Location:
    Trzebiatów
    Member of:
    1977; Polish Hunting Assotiation
    Hunted:
    Namibia, Zimbabwe
    In my 404Jeffery and 9,3x62 I use cartrdges from RWS,Hornady and Norma with bullets TUG, DGX and ORYX.
    I've never had problems.
    The barrels in my rifles are Lothar Walther.
     
    Big5 likes this.

  14. Big5

    Big5 AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    778
    Video/Photo:
    2
    Likes Received:
    748
    Member of:
    SCI Life member, NRA Life/Benefactor member
    Hunted:
    USA, Canada, Mexico, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Namibia, South Africa, Spain, Russia
    Yes, I'm aware of that thread and have read the 23 pages you mention. Along with those comments I also remember much being said about a lion hunt involving Dr. Walter Palmer and Theo Bronkhorst. And before all that there was a thread on this site entitled; 'Lion Killer to Be Charged in Namibia'.

    It was no surprise to me when that thread, right here on the AH site, began with unfounded and negative comments. I hate to think of where that thread would have gone if not nipped in the bud quickly. Most likely more than 23 pages.

    I say it was no surprise because for some reason people seem drawn to joining in and commenting on negative and disparaging threads of all kinds. Realizing that to be true I'm one who takes most negative internet comments with a grain of salt. But as previously said, to each his own.

    Once again, just my two cents and good hunting to you.
     
    WAB, Art Lambart II and TTundra like this.

  15. Ryan

    Ryan AH Fanatic

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2011
    Messages:
    759
    Video/Photo:
    44
    Likes Received:
    775
    Location:
    Anchorage, Alaska
    Here's some field testing of the new bonded DGX by "Doctari" Robertson. It could be biased since it is sponsored by Hornady, but the results are pretty impressive.
     
    TTundra likes this.

  16. Royal27

    Royal27 AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    8,805
    Video/Photo:
    83
    Likes Received:
    10,792
    Member of:
    DSC, NRA, SCI
    Hunted:
    USA - TX, CO, GA, ID. Africa - Zimbabwe and South Africa (Limpopo and EC)
    My last comment wasn't clear @Big5 . I simply meant if you wanted to discuss Mr. Boddington's integrity there was a place for that in another thread.

    I never questioned his integrity in this thread. I questioned using a PAID sponsor as validation for a product. The name used by another poster happened to be Boddington's, it could have been anyone's name and my comment would have been the same.

    Unlike you, I don't personally know Mr. Boddington and therefore have no reason to believe he lacks integrity. I also have no reason to believe he has any for the same reason.

    I stand by my original comment. Buyer beware!

    Good hunting to you as well!
     
    tarbe likes this.

  17. K-man

    K-man AH Elite

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,461
    Video/Photo:
    42
    Likes Received:
    2,122
    Hunted:
    Spain, Alaska, RSA, Zimbabwe, New Zealand, British Columbia, Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming
    PeteG likes this.

  18. BeeMaa

    BeeMaa AH Elite

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2017
    Messages:
    1,199
    Video/Photo:
    40
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Location:
    Eastern US
    Member of:
    NRA Life Member, SCI
    Hunted:
    Eastern US & RSA
    Impressive video.
    Still buying A-Frame.
     
    Bullthrower338 and PeteG like this.

  19. Royal27

    Royal27 AH ENABLER AH Ambassador

    Joined:
    May 27, 2012
    Messages:
    8,805
    Video/Photo:
    83
    Likes Received:
    10,792
    Member of:
    DSC, NRA, SCI
    Hunted:
    USA - TX, CO, GA, ID. Africa - Zimbabwe and South Africa (Limpopo and EC)
    So is Doctari :D
     
    Bullthrower338, ActionBob and PeteG like this.

  20. Witold Krzyżanowski

    Witold Krzyżanowski AH ENABLER AH Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2013
    Messages:
    4,544
    Video/Photo:
    15
    Likes Received:
    2,107
    Location:
    Trzebiatów
    Member of:
    1977; Polish Hunting Assotiation
    Hunted:
    Namibia, Zimbabwe
    Great video Ryan.
     

Share This Page

 
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice