Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Buff-Buster, Mar 15, 2012.
X2..... That about sums it up....!
That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes of all time...
"When they call roll in the House and Senate, the members do not know whether to answer
"Present" or "Not Guilty"... ~Theodore Roosevelt~
That's the kind of abusive diatribe I was highlighting. The OP was asking what the world thought, I gave my thoughts and those of my friends. You don't agree with it.
If the Republicans have a viable alternative who is he ?
Come on! The figures responsible for the economic crisis are smocks from Wall streets and shady brokers and bankiers who uncontrolled of the government traded with ordinary peoples lifes. And it all happened before Obama. The unfortune of the US are named Bush sr. and Bush jr. No doubt!
Let me know if this statement still works for you, and if you will say it again, if Obama get's re-elected. Good luck man.
You have to remember your Obama and your Clinton (I am certain) were reaping those same rewards for turning the other cheek, they too were in positions of power, and also could have stopped it "If they were the great saviors of the nation/world" that they claim to be. NATO and Global disarmment scare the hell out of me.
Obama has spent a lot of money, trying to save your biggest employes. Bush spent a lot of money (and american lifes) on chasing non existing bio weapon in Irak. The Afganistan operation was justified though.
The old Bush spent a lot of money on oil thirst.
Enough of American politics from me. threadstarter got some of wich he asked for.
Let it be said, as a Norwegian, i owe a lot of my freedom to USA. Did you know there are 5 millions decendeds from Norway in USA today. Their ancestors escaped powerty in old times Norway. That was before the oil, lol
The answer to your question is simply ABO.. ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!
And no I dont agree with you and your friends, surely not all of them feel as you do! Obama has tripled the debt and deficit of the US in 3 years. Obama care we learn just yesterday will cost at least twice what was promised. He does not know how to run the largest business in the world, the US economy plain and simple. Obama and most of the democrat party are about one thing, growing govt larger which removes personal freedom from the citizens. I know people like to have everything done for them these days but we must remember one very important thing about big govt handouts. The more govt does for you, the more it can do to you! My diatribe is based on knowledge of how the US govt and political system works, something you obviously lack.
WOW this thread has started something. dont think you can blame the 2 president bush's for this as it also happened in other countries. banks started buying other banks smaller and larger than themselves for over inflated prices. a lot of this was to get into the mortgage market and buy the banks with big mortgage property portfolios. this looked very good on their books and they looked like they were making lots of money. they gave mortgages to anybody and anyone regardless of income or job stability. the more they lent the more property on the books that was going up in value. at the same time governments were borrowing vast amounts of money at low interest rates, far beyond their capabilities of paying back, but who cared. then there was a problem , lots of these people with very big mortgages really couldnt keep up their payments. this led to the banks and mortgage providers sitting on vast amounts on unsaleable properties that crashed in value. so we got the terminology toxic mortgages, and the banks went bust or had to be bailed out, and now we are where we are (this is a simplistic version of how i see it, so dont kill me if its not perfect). the problem now is that the governments have to be hard and implement very tough measures to try and get things back under control. this is where they have to make the correct decisions even if the populace doesnt like it, and the people should back the politician that is going to be the hard ass so that the economies can rise again.
I know that BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) is common in the US but I didnt know other countries had it too! Obama has been pres for over 3 years now. At what point to you Bush haters does this become Obamas presidency? Or do you just go on blaming him forever? I think there must be an expiration date on "its Bush's fault".
I can see your frustration with your domestic political situation. I'll ask you to go back to the original post and read that again. I'm answering that from my perspective and the knowledge I have gained living in your country and meeting your countrymen.
OK, I did. And yes the point I guess was more to hear more overseas opinions and not just mine. However my passion and what you rightfully call my frustration compells me to point out foolishness and ignorance when I hear it. If you hang around the states long enough you will soon learn that basically the democrap party is for bigger govt and the republican party is (generally) for smaller govt and less intrusion into our lives. Obama is ALL about BIGGER govt and further intrusion into our lives and while he has been very coy about gun control he is just biding his time and if he gets another term (God forbid a thousand times!) he may get real handy with the executive orders, when he knows he cannot run again. I dont really mean to sound insulting but I feel very strongly about this and pay attention to what is going on more than most people do, certainly more than outsiders. Obama given half a chance will ruin this country with his policies of big govt and massive spending. Its that simple. "The only problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money" Prime Minister Thatcher
I promised myself I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore, but I can't help it. The explosion of the housing bubble goes way beyond the Bush years. It started with the Community Reinvestment Act passed in 1977. With only a few exceptions, the U.S. gov't continued it's support of questionable loans right on the the GWB years. I'm not excusing GWB from his support of it too, but that bubble was long in the making. Both sides of the aisle can take credit/blame for that situation.
Ok, I agree on this one
Phil is right of course. Believe it or not Bush tried to get Congress to rein in Fannie and Freddie and they as much as told him to go F himself. And then later after the collapse they tried, fairly successfully to blame Bush of course! Since that time everything is Bush's fault, just ask any democrat! Barney Frank (D) led the pack on that one.
I could not agree more. seen from outside american politic would gain from a little bit more of dialogue and less "name-calling"...
I have a hard time stop laughing when I hear some americans calling Obama "socialist", or even communist. As said, he would be considered center right here...
What the Republicans need is a front runner like our governor in Wisconsin as a candidate...he'd have half a chance against Obama. I'm predicting Obama for another 4 years, then out governor from Wisconsin becomes the next president. (lol). From one extremest to another.
Well then "left leaning" in your country must mean about 10 miles "left of Lenin". LOL!
Here is one Canadians view again. Phil is right about the CR act of 1977, and sestoppleman is correct in saying that Bush tried to put more manageable limits on Freddie and Fannie. It was a Democratic majority senate (Polosi and Frank and friends) who said that Bush was only trying to stop the poor from owning their own homes. Bush's move would probably have been too little too late anyway but the truth is that self regulating industries like the financial industry in the US and many other countries don't really regulate themselves. Illegal and immoral acts were met with fines that were far smaller than the real or potential profits. Obama has done nothing to change this. He continues to accept money from many of the financial leaders in the industry and is only concerned with his own agenda. For the financial regulators to gain any credibility with me, they would have to truly self regulate. I have not seen this yet. I hate to think that government would have to regulate , but something has to change.
For many years those on the left in Canada and the US have been asking why we can't be more like the Europeans. They retire earlier and have more holidays and a shorter work week etc. The answer is that we can't afford it and neither can the Europeans. (Greese, Italy etc.). We wouldn't run our household finances this way and we shouldn't run our countries finances like that either.
WOW, I'm on a rant again. My opinion is that no one can afford Obama again. Tell your Republican contenders that they should lay off of the social conservatism and concentrate on the economy.
You asked for it, Mike
Eric, We should be so lucky as to have your gov for president. He isnt extreme at all, just smart.
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