Slugs for Bear

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  1. Foxi

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    a certain insight or a valuation?
    Where do you hunt so big bears ?

    In a German hunting forum is a (D/CA) gamewarden who has to shoot lot of bears every year (grizz and bb's),hurt in Banff NP by the Railways,when the waggons loosing wheet and corn.

    Nearby,it seems Canadian Railway is the greatest bear killer there.

    He takes a pumpgun 12/76 and 00 buckshot.
    When you want his link - adress,I can try it.
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  2. BC.Pat

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    Hi Foxi, I cant speak for other areas but I have lived & hunted on Vancouver Island on the west coast of Canada for close to 40 years. Lots & lots of Black bears here.
    This is a comment for the British Columbia Big game record book on Black Bears.
    "Size: Male Black Bears range 60–300 kg (130–660 lbs), and up to 7 ft long (nose to ‘tail’). Female Black Bears range 40–180 kg (90–400 lbs) with the largest black bear on record was 400kg, or 880 lbs"

    Although I don't hunt them any more (I used to take two each spring for meat) they do get big for a few reasons. Mild short winters (a unusual condition in Canada) so the bears don't lose as much mass each winter. Prime habitat , lots & lots of food, salmon , oysters , mussels, from beaches & mountains full of wild black berries & grasses. They don't want for much. My personal best was about 225 kg ( 500lbs) most I took were in the 130~160kg range (300~350lbs) around Port Alice ,Northern VI.

    Your right about the railway killing game BTW, but its better than it used to be. The problem was the long grain trains from Alberta to the Coastal Port in Vancouver BC, about 1200 km. The rail cars would leak grain out thru the bottom. So there would be grain down the center of the track, pretty attractive for game. As a result lots of game ( moose, grizzly, black bear, Elk, and others would get killed on the the track each year as they fed. (and of course the dead game on the track attracted other game as well) Eventually residents , hunters , & wildlife management folks put pressure on the rail companies to clean up their act. The new rail cars drop much less grain / food. As a result much fewer animals are killed each year than previously. Its still not perfect ( game still gets hit by trains) but its much less than it was. A small success story!

    Apologize if a bit off topic & long winded.:A Bonk:

    Pat
     
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  3. thi9elsp

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    I got a close to 400 lb spring black bear in southeast Alaska. Similar climate to Vancouver Island. Lately, I've been reading about huge black bear coming out of North Carolina - 600+ lbs. Moderate climate and the feed in the farmers fields I believe. But, they are extremely expensive - one search I did found prices pushing $10,000. I would rather the experience of SE Alaska or Vancouver Island for less money than NC.
     
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    You might want to read / contact kfet87& Jfet about their Black Bear experience hunting on Vancouver Island on AH
    British Columbia That’s My Truck Going On A Bear Hunt

    cheers
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    @BC.Pat Thanks. I hunted out of Juneau back in 2004 and got a cinnamon 7'4" square. Not sure I could ever top that experience. I went with Keegan McCarthy and the next year Ann and I did a cruise with he and his wife Chelsea. Nothing compared to the boats they have now!

    http://www.coastalalaskaadventures.com/
     
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    Congratulations (y) Nothing wrong with Alaska , pretty , rugged, WET, bush worked out of Stewart BC / Hyder Alaska during my prospecting days.
     

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    Here is a prime example of why there are much better projectiles than foster slugs for use on animals larger than a couple hundred pounds:


    It shows that the slug only penetrates 12 1/4" of pure gelatin and the disruption isn't all that breathtaking either. I know there are a lot of different slugs out there, brennekes being one of the better, but even the best have an abyssmal sectional density and foster slugs (1 oz) have the sectional density of a sideways teacup. I used to hunt at a camp in Allegany Couonty NY where it was shotgun only and I took a number of deer with both 20 and 12 gauge foster slugs... I can't remember ever having an exit, even on smallish deer. If you HAVE to use a slug, which it sounds like you do... Handloading a solid, hardened slug like those available from dixie, like another post mentioned are probably your best bet. Good luck!
     

  8. siutis

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    The short answer is Brenneke slugs.
     
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    Macmaster worked for Doyon Security at Valdez
    His brother worked for the state as the highway commissioner
    Now I don’t know what they do
    Deneli Universal Service Pipeline now only issues soft slugs made by Fed. We use to have Brennke Slugs but the zero was different than the Fed Slugs so they withdrew the Brenneke.
     

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    Velo Dog,
    every hunter here is growing up with Brennecke slugs .
    Brennecke makes a lot of authority ammunition (Special Forces Slugs,Anti Terror Slugs and so ). We,normal persons, don't get that stuff in Germany.
    But I can imagine, you in USA ,this is no problem for a hunter to get that.
    Brennecke.jpg
    Keep on hunting
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  11. larry4831

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    Remington Marine magnum. They make a barrel that has rifle sights but it is a smooth bore. Use the Brennecke slugs. 600 grain at 1500 FPS. Rifled barrel would give you better accuracy but like you said you will be using it for back up or follow up. Guys use them up here for grizzly protection.
     

  12. ChrisG

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    I think I'd still personally want a .375 h&h. Kicks less, penetrates deeper and causes more damage... The only downside is it weighs 9.5 lbs not 7.5 lbs
     
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    Hi ChrisG,

    I’m +1 with you on preferring the .375 when wandering around in grizzly habitat.
    I suppose it might even kick less than some of today’s increased power shotgun slugs.
    However I’m a geezer and the original 2 & 3/4” slug versions of my youthful days did not seem as sharp / harsh as my original Ruger single shot .375 or my 2nd .375 which was a #5 taper rebarreled (not heavy profile) Model 700 ADL Remington.
    Both of those kicked like satan.
    Since then I’ve only had .375’s in Mauser of one type or another as well as one double in that most excellent caliber.

    Anyway, the .375 has such an enviable history in terminating large grouchy bears here that it seems almost silly to choose anything else for the task.
    It’s sort of like trying to re-invent the wheel.
    I hear people moan about the belted cartridge and about wanting a short action and about not headspacing on the shoulder.
    However, since I’ve never noticed such issues with any of the half dozen or more .375 H&H caliber rifles I’ve owned, I figure those issues are mostly hypothetical, if not imaginary.

    Regards,
    Velo Dog.
     
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    Yip cannot agree more
     

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    Slugs—federal 3” 1 1/4 oz at advertised 1500 FPS are nasty stuff. Have to use them in my hunting area. Killed many, many deer and two bears with them. The bears weighed less then 250 # ea, but got a thru and thru on both and neither went more then 10 yds. Have seen some spectacular kills on deer. Only slug better was a slug by Remington called the Buckhammer.
    They were 1 3/8 oz at 1600 FPS and were harder the the the Feds.
    I shoot a 18 “ barrel 870 with sights and at 75 yds it will group 3-4 “.
    Slugs are deadly and impressive!!!!!!
     
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    Slugs are very popular in eastern NC where the bears can top 750 pounds. 2 3/4 Remington foster slugs.
     

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