School me on a custom Winchester please

[Killerito]

Hello.
Possibly Picking this guy up on trade along with a Glock 27. Trading a 1940 Winchester 94 in 30-30 for the lot possibly.

I was told it’s an eddy stone p-14 that was converted to 458 win at the Winchester custom shop at some point.

ERA an action is eddy stone and that’s all I know about it. Seems to be in great condition.

Need to decide if it make sense to get a left handed stock made for it or to try and pass it along and grab something that’s already left handed.

I know I probably can’t afford to get a stock as nice as the one on it made.

Any Informatio. Or advice would be Awsome.

Thank you.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Hello.
Possibly Picking this guy up on trade along with a Glock 27. Trading a 1940 Winchester 94 in 30-30 for the lot possibly.

I was told it’s an eddy stone p-14 that was converted to 458 win at the Winchester custom shop at some point.

Converted at the Winchester custom shop? Bullshxt!
I'd run from whoever that flim flam gun seller is!

That is a $1000 rifle, if you really want it and need it. Otherwise, I'd run away from it.
I think others will advise it is NOT worth $1000... They are probably correct.

I don't know the value of your 1940 Model 94, but chances are that it and your Glock are worth more than that thing.

Finally, there are left handed rifles available. Sell your Glock and Model 94 and save the money until you find a deal on a left handed dangerous game rifle.

My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it...

 

[Killerito]

Converted at the Winchester custom shop? Bullshxt!
I'd run from whoever that flim flam gun seller is!

That is a $1000 rifle, if you really want it and need it. Otherwise, I'd run away from it.
I think others will advise it is NOT worth $1000... They are probably correct.

I don't know the value of your 1940 Model 94, but chances are that it and yoru Glock are worth more than this thing.

Finally, there are left handed rifles available. Sell your Glock and Model 94 and save the money until you find a deal on a left handed dangerous game rifle.

My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it...

Haha your Awsome. I paid basically nothing for the 94. The Glock 27 would cover my investment making this rifle essentially free.

I thought it was weird that Winchester would build something out of a ERA action.

Any idea on who would have converted it ?

Looked thru the for sale section last night and the lefty prices are all far out of the range I’m able to swing.

The shop owner is a cool guy but mainly focuses on modern and milsurp stuff so this is definitely out of his wheel house he’s running off what the original seller told him. (Might try and buy it for what he paid which is 1/4 what his asking price is.).

I appreciate your time.

 

[deewayne2003]

Haha your Awsome. I paid basically nothing for the 94. The Glock 27 would cover my investment making this rifle essentially free.

I thought it was weird that Winchester would build something out of a ERA action.

Any idea on who would have converted it ?

Looked thru the for sale section last night and the lefty prices are all far out of the range I’m able to swing.

The shop owner is a cool guy but mainly focuses on modern and milsurp stuff so this is definitely out of his wheel house he’s running off what the original seller told him. (Might try and buy it for what he paid which is 1/4 what his asking price is.).

I appreciate your time.

Glad to see you taking Mark's advice..... I'm no Winchester expert, but if the Winchester custom shop produced that rifle it must have been take Jerry's Kids to work day!

Several things are ODD about that rifle, first of all the ornate magazine floor plate does not match the bubba work shop theme of the rest of the rifle, also the Lyman rear sight appears to have been installed with a harbor freight flat head and the stock is in the "Bless You're Heart" category of ugly.

I haven't seen your 1940 model 30-30, but I will guarantee you the 30-30 will increase in value and will be infinitely easier to sell in the future; while selling the .458 will be an exercise in finding someone uneducated enough to buy it.

If you can buy the .458 at a low ball price for cash and you want it then go for it; but I wouldn't trade two sound guns for one that is questionable at best.

 

[Killerito]

Glad to see you taking Mark's advice..... I'm no Winchester expert, but if the Winchester custom shop produced that rifle it must have been take Jerry's Kids to work day!

Several things are ODD about that rifle, first of all the ornate magazine floor plate does not match the bubba work shop theme of the rest of the rifle, also the Lyman rear sight appears to have been installed with a harbor freight flat head and the stock is in the "Bless You're Heart" category of ugly.

I haven't seen your 1940 model 30-30, but I will guarantee you the 30-30 will increase in value and will be infinitely easier to sell in the future; while selling the .458 will be an exercise in finding someone uneducated enough to buy it.

If you can buy the .458 at a low ball price for cash and you want it then go for it; but I wouldn't trade two sound guns for one that is questionable at best.

Here is the Winchester. I’m like 50/50 on whether it’s been reblued. If rig was the person took the time to do everything including all of the internals to make it match.

Was thinking the same thing as far as what’s gunna be easier to sell down the road. I have no intrest in 30-30 already have mixed brand levers in 22 357 44 243 and 308.

If I can pay cash And get it dirt cheap might grab it just to say I shot it.


Also I wasnt clear the trade offer is the Glock and the 458 for my Winchester. Not the other way around.

 

[CBeck]

Hang onto the pre 64 Winchester 94 its likely worth more than that model 70….why is it wearing a gaudy Weatherby lookalike stock anyway?

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Hang onto the pre 64 Winchester 94 its likely worth more than that model 70….why is it wearing a gaudy Weatherby lookalike stock anyway?

Perhaps because...
1. It is a Pattern 17 (P17) rifle made in the Eddystone Arsenal. Notice the curved bolt handle and the long safety lever?
2. The grandious style of stocks that Weatherby championed were the popular style for post-WWII military conversions that us Big Boomers grew up with.

 

[cajunchefray]

I would keep that 1940 Winchester M94. Yes is has marks in the bluing and stock, but probably blood stain pitting from real use. And it is a pre WWII Winchester, hand fitted by proper gunsmiths.

If you want (need) a left-handed .458, look for a left-hand Ruger M77 Mark II or Hawkeye, in 7mm or 300 mag and have it re-barreled, glass and pillar bedded, reinforced stock, by a gunsmith that builds heavy caliber rifles.
Not many guys know how to do this but there are a few out there.
Good rifle, correct side for you, and it will last.

 

[Killerito]

I would keep that 1940 Winchester M94. Yes is has marks in the bluing and stock, but probably blood stain pitting from real use. And it is a pre WWII Winchester, hand fitted by proper gunsmiths.

If you want (need) a left-handed .458, look for a left-hand Ruger M77 Mark II or Hawkeye, in 7mm or 300 mag and have it re-barreled, glass and pillar bedded, reinforced stock, by a gunsmith that builds heavy caliber rifles.
Not many guys know how to do this but there are a few out there.
Good rifle, correct side for you, and it will last.

I was eyeballing a few of the nice m77s in The sale threads. I didn’t realize they were that pricy I picked up my old rh tanger varmiter m77 in 22-250 for like $200 last year.
Might try and sell or trade that one for something larger

The lefty tax is real.

I could potentially also just rebarrel my lefty copper m52 338 to a a big bore.

Appreciate the advice

 

[Woodcarver]

Your 1940s 30-30 is worth $800-$1100 if it all checks out as original and not refinished. Can't really tell from pics, but the patina, screw heads, wood, all look correct for the era, and there don't appear to be any rolled edges that are common with a refinish. The Williams peep looks to be original, as they did come from the factory with them (I have a late 40s with a factory Williams).
As others have pointed out, the rifle doesn't look like anything the custom shop would have put out. Even if you have very little in the 94 (no bearing on it's value), it's worth as much, or more, than that rifle and a Glock. But if you like the rifle, and the Glock, and you're happy with the trade, go for it. I just wouldn't put any value on the rifle based on it supposedly coming out of the custom shop.
Edit to add-you're idea of rebarrelling your Cooper is probably a better idea than this trade

 

[Killerito]

Ended up selling the Winchester 94 (it was a reblue)
Finaly paid cash for the 458 win mag. Store owner was tired of looking at it. Paid less than the cost of 2 boxes of Barnes ammo.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

That is basically a barreled action for a project build. But no idea who made the barrel or if the action's feeding rails/ramp/follower were properly modified to cycle 458 Win correctly. The good and bad news is it probably was not shot much. The action is fit into the wood very poorly and no crossbolts. Had it been shot much, the stock should be cracked. Methinks it wasn't shot much because it probably doesn't cycle properly.

That "engraved" floorplate appears to be aftermarket cast, not engraved. Possibly pot metal. Winchester custom shop would never send something out with a stock that wasn't checkered. Silly for any gun person/vendor to make that contention.

If you could test cycle a full magazine correctly several times and if the bore looked good, you might have an action worth $600 max. The stock is definitely throwaway and probably the floorplate and peep sight (what is with that knob and post sticking way up in the air?). Actually, if he was listing it for $600, I'd probably offer him $350 for it as MAYBE a parts gun. If it doesn't cycle properly (and I strongly suspect it doesn't), then you'd be buying a barrel only which, if in good shape, should be worth $300 (IF it's actually 458!). The Bubba who did that work should get a blindfold and cigarette.

No maker's name on the barrel?

 

[Killerito]

The gun came in with a lot when the local store first opened and that’s the story he was given.

Got it dirt cheap. It’s going to be a plinker and to stretch it with hand loads to 1k possibly the mile. Shots and goggles. (I like making stuff do stuff it was never designed for )

Bore is clean
Mag feeds dummies we made perfectly. Minus the follower blocking the bolt when it’s empty.

Actions a fairly tight fit to the stock it was shimmed.

Triggers amazing

The sight is windage and elevation adjustable. I assume that’s the knob you’re asking about.

No maker mark on the barrel.

He just got several more sporterized rifles in and non have makers marks on the barrels.idk if that was a normal thing back in the day

 

[Ontario Hunter]

The gun came in with a lot when the local store first opened and that’s the story he was given.

Got it dirt cheap. It’s going to be a plinker and to stretch it with hand loads to 1k possibly the mile. Shots and goggles. (I like making stuff do stuff it was never designed for )

Bore is clean
Mag feeds dummies we made perfectly. Minus the follower blocking the bolt when it’s empty.

Actions a fairly tight fit to the stock it was shimmed.

Triggers amazing

The sight is windage and elevation adjustable. I assume that’s the knob you’re asking about.

No maker mark on the barrel.

He just got several more sporterized rifles in and non have makers marks on the barrels.idk if that was a normal thing back in the day

Winchester would have put their name on the barrel they used for the build. Good barrel makers put their name on the barrel. Might be obscured on the underside of barrel?

I presume you mean the bolt won't close on an empty magazine. If you're implying bolt won't close on the last round, then the problem is not necessarily just the follower.

Great action to build on. But not worth more than $600 as such.

Pull off the recoil pad. Previous owners or builders sometimes leave notes hidden in the hollow inside butt stock.

 

[Killerito]

Winchester would have put their name on the barrel they used for the build. Good barrel makers put their name on the barrel. Might be obscured on the underside of barrel?

I presume you mean the bolt won't close on an empty magazine. If you're implying bolt won't close on the last round, then the problem is not necessarily just the follower.

Great action to build on. But not worth more than $600 as such.

Pull off the recoil pad. Previous owners or builders sometimes leave notes hidden in the hollow inside butt stock.

Yes. Bolt dosnt close on empty unless you push the follower down.
I’ll strip it again once it’s out of jail.
Might try and make a chassi for it depending how well it shoots.
I’m a lefty so the stocks got to go either way.

Definetly not a Winchester build like he thought but for 2 beans out the door I couldn’t pass it up.
Will be fun to compare to my cooper 338 win mag and the 700 in 300 rum.

Might see if the machines busy will thread the barrel for me. And find a 50 call break for it.

Barrel should be beefy enough to handle it.