Politics

[Brent in Az]

Could certainly explain the medias b.s storyline....

 

[Tanks]

My view on children working is a bit different. Both of my kids wanted to go onto Ivy league or similar schools for education. Preparation for that starts at 9th grade minimum. I put the emphasis on classwork and extra-curricular activities (both were on tennis teams) and did not want them to work outside the house. As far as I was concerned their job was to get As in classes and do well in SATs etc..

After she got her BAs from Yale my daughter told me she could get a job in six figures from one of the Wall street companies for a couple of years before law school and help out with tuition etc.. I said no as I felt starting work, getting used to a certain lifestyle etc. would make going back to school very hard.

It was a good decision as this was in 2007, just before the crash where people were getting laid-off from Wall street jobs. She did take a gap year between her law school graduation and starting work as a lawyer as it was an 11 year journey of hard scholastic work.

My son went to Rice and decided a 4 year degree in Computer science was good enough for him. He has been very successful and is a stakeholder in his second startup.

 

[spike.t]

 

[Nyati]

 

[AJ Peacock]

More disastrous Trumplodite diplomacy. Charles Kushner, father-in-law of Trump's daughter was made ambassador to France based it seems on his family connections ... in spite of his felony conviction for tax evasion and witness tampering. A real jewel this guy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/20/world/europe/charles-kushner-france-us-ambasador-trump.html

OH, do you really want to go down the "what about-ism" for political picks for meaningless ambassadorships? Seriously, there has to be something more serious on your TDS symptoms today. Just do a quick google for questionable ambassadorships for ANY PRESIDENT.

Seriously, I expect more high brow TDS complaints from you!

AJ

 

[Pheroze]

I hope Iran doesn’t use all the oil money it’s about to make to rebuild their military and finance terrorism. Nah, they have definitely been taught a lesson…

 

[jruby]

MOU’s are only good if both parties are trying to put a real deal together. In the case of America and Iran the executed MOU is probably worthless. Iran has repeatedly shown they don’t abide by the things they sign.

Both parties have overriding needs. America has the midterms. Iran is out of cash and needs to pay the IRGC, Basij and others who are keeping the government afloat. It may be a long time before Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi’s etc start receiving meaningful funds.

The war is at the point of an uneasy standoff. If ships are sailing through the strait then Trump is probably good with an Iran that has lost its ability to threaten with nukes and has a highly degraded military. Iran has saved face in showing the world they stood up to Trump and the evil empire. The gulf states aren’t happy but will be able to recover much faster than Iran. It will probably take Iran well over ten years to start playing the part of regional bully again. Who knows. They may even decide it isn’t worth the effort as the elders are replaced with a new generation that may want to take the country in a different direction.

I’m not too concerned about any of the points in the MOU being honored, because I doubt they will be. Just as I have my doubts a peace deal will actually be signed and certainly not abided by.

So what exactly did the USA get out of this war? People keep saying Iran militarily was destroyed and yet they can close the SOH. Doesn't sound like they were disarmed to me. They still supposedly have drones and missiles.

 

[Doug Hamilton]

I hope Iran doesn’t use all the oil money it’s about to make to rebuild their military and finance terrorism. Nah, they have definitely been taught a lesson…

I hope you're right, but it seems like radical Islamists are incapable of learning anything if they are left alive.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Getting Republican senators primaried...
Pulling Clayton and deep sixing (for now) FISA...
This (worthless) MOU...
Expecting Netanyahu will come to heel just because he said so...

The unifying theme? Trump's ego.

I think November is going to be a rude awakening.

 

[Pheroze]

I dunno…..It just seems like the entire Iran campaign was designed by someone other than an experienced General. I could be wrong though.

 

[Pheroze]

Getting Republican senators primaried...
Pulling Clayton and deep sixing (for now) FISA...
This (worthless) MOU...
Expecting Netanyahu will come to heel just because he said so...

The unifying theme? Trump's ego.

I think November is going to be a rude awakening.

No! Surely you overstate the impact of Trump’s ego on world affairs

Trump deepens the dustup with Italy's Meloni, who says his 'unprovoked attacks are senseless'

U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday lashed out at Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, insisting that she asked “over and over” for a photo with him at the recent Group of Seven summit and criticizing what he said was Italy’s lack of cooperation during the Iran war.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Could certainly explain the medias b.s storyline....
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"I don't ‌know why ⁠the president of the United States behaves like this towards his allies. It is not the first time, moreover," Meloni said, according to a translation of her remarks from Reuters.

"I can only say it is disappointing that he does not show the same determination with the enemies of the West and of the United States, whose leaders he instead treats with far greater indulgence," she said. "There is one thing he should remember: neither I nor Italy ever beg."

The White House did not respond to a request for comment on Meloni's remarks.

 

[Brent in Az]

"I don't ‌know why ⁠the president of the United States behaves like this towards his allies. It is not the first time, moreover," Meloni said, according to a translation of her remarks from Reuters.

"I can only say it is disappointing that he does not show the same determination with the enemies of the West and of the United States, whose leaders he instead treats with far greater indulgence," she said. "There is one thing he should remember: neither I nor Italy ever beg."

The White House did not respond to a request for comment on Meloni's remarks.

The weak kneed allies turned their backs on the U.S.
Can't imagine why Trump would be pissed off at them......

 

[Red Leg]

The earnings must have been vast. A model 12 heavy duck was never a "cheap" shotgun.

It was very lightly used (still have it), but I was pulling in that huge tip daily for about six-weeks.

 

[Red Leg]

What did Churchill say about young conservatives…..

You’ll have to enlighten me a cursory google search only brings up a falsely attributed quote actually spoken by a university professor.

One of his most famous which I have used with two of my liberal nieces (both lawyers no less) more than once.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

 

[Red Leg]

MOU’s are only good if both parties are trying to put a real deal together. In the case of America and Iran the executed MOU is probably worthless. Iran has repeatedly shown they don’t abide by the things they sign.

Both parties have overriding needs. America has the midterms. Iran is out of cash and needs to pay the IRGC, Basij and others who are keeping the government afloat. It may be a long time before Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi’s etc start receiving meaningful funds.

The war is at the point of an uneasy standoff. If ships are sailing through the strait then Trump is probably good with an Iran that has lost its ability to threaten with nukes and has a highly degraded military. Iran has saved face in showing the world they stood up to Trump and the evil empire. The gulf states aren’t happy but will be able to recover much faster than Iran. It will probably take Iran well over ten years to start playing the part of regional bully again. Who knows. They may even decide it isn’t worth the effort as the elders are replaced with a new generation that may want to take the country in a different direction.

I’m not too concerned about any of the points in the MOU being honored, because I doubt they will be. Just as I have my doubts a peace deal will actually be signed and certainly not abided by.

Agree. Just like the Gaza deal, this will stall at stage two. Also like Hamas, the IRGC has been seriously damaged for the foreseeable future. It will have to be enough, though I hate that we did not inflict much more when all our assets were there and engaged.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

One of his most famous which I have used with two of my liberal nieces (both lawyers no less) more than once.

"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain."

According to google that quote is falsely accredited to Churchill

 

[Altitude sickness]

General Keene was immediately against the cease fire. And is flummoxed on why we didn’t finish the remaining 25% of the initial invasion plan.

Hopefully Marco is building a coalition behind the scenes for when we need to go back and finish it.

Unfortunately Trump will most likely be a lame duck and likely won’t have the juice to finish it.

And the next administration will have zero ties to this MOU and Iran will do as they please.

 

[Red Leg]

According to google that quote is falsely accredited to Churchill

Hmm. I believe you are correct. I am part of the great unwashed who simply accepted it as a Churchillian quote. It seems to have originated with Anselme Polycarpe Batbie - a late nineteenth century French politician? In this context the revolutionary minded "republicans" were the liberals. It would seem, like many others, that it was too good not to attribute it to Churchill.

“Celui qui n’est pas républicain à vingt ans fait douter de la générosité de son âme; mais celui qui, après trente ans, persévère, fait douter de la rectitude de son esprit.”
(“He who is not a republican at twenty casts doubt on the generosity of his soul; but he who persists after thirty casts doubt on the soundness of his mind.”)

 

[fourfive8]

Must be a Colorado thing. My first 'paying' job was 14 digging out culverts. It took me 8 hours with a shovel to dig out a culvert, then after a few days the backhoe would show up, lift out the old ones and drop the new ones in. I bucked/stacked hay for something like $.07 / bale (split with my little brother who drove the tractor as I did all the lifting since he was 9-10years old. Then at 16 I started doing roustabout work around the gas pipelines in western Colorado/eastern Utah ...

AJ

These posts sound familiar. Don’t know about a Colorado thing but for sure a rural/farm thing. Hay in the mid-summer heat was about the worst. All by hand from the field to stacking in the barn. From about 13-14 up to college. Before that, beginning about age 10, just driving the tractor pulling the hay wagon. Trade schools do need to be pushed early as an obvious option for many- maybe some exposure around junior high.

My older daughter grew up very rural and all those kids, most even now, have important chores starting at an early age, usually around 8-9. Mostly girls seem to fill those labor intensive roles like hauling water distances on foot in the mountains for livestock and domestic use. Those days are long past for her now and she will be graduating from college in December. I’m certain her incredible work ethic was instilled at that time.