Politics

[cwpayton]

TERRIOST using encrypted "SIGNAL" They are dumber than dumb ,which is good.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I think the parents of one of the young men called local police June 10th. That he had bought an abnormal amount of tactical gear and was communicating with odd people.

 

[PerH]

Those aren’t forest guards. They’re tour guides of the Dacca Botanical Garden. It even says so on the uniforms.

There is some YouTube vids and FB posts saying it is the new uniforms , based on how video is portrayed , I think it’s a good bet on who made those videos .

 

[spike.t]

Wonder what will happen on the cut off date of 30th june....had a video sent to me by a zambian here showing someone being warned in SA by a spokesperson from one of these organisations telling him he had to leave now...don't leave it till 30th of June....his post said pass it around to other Zambians or people will be coming back as cargo.....

South Africa's anti-migrant protests: Intimidation and fear as deadline for foreigners to leave looms

Protesters have set 30 June as the date for all undocumented migrants to leave the country.

www.bbc.com

 

[spike.t]

What a fkn joke....UK government departments need closing down...issuing skilled work visas to these people and establishments....and surprise surprise his English capabilities suddenly vanish as the questions go on.....

 

[Pheroze]

PM Carney says he’s seen tentative U.S.-Iran peace deal, calls conflict ‘worth it’

After the U.S. and Iran say they’ve reached a tentative deal to end the war, Prime Minister Mark Carney is calling the conflict “worth it” if it means Iran does not have a nuclear weapon.

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[rookhawk]

All these rampant immigration strategies fail based on the law of averages.

If you take an average American or Brit, the average IQ is 100. They have average debt. Average native language skills. Average western education. Average skills to apply for and maintain an average job. Average family problems. I could continue ad nauseum. EVEN THEN, the average outcomes for these stereotypically average people are not good for their societies. The average person in both situations pays no taxes. The average person commits some amount of crimes. The average bankruptcy rates, average divorce rates, average childhood abandonment rates, and average drug abuse rates all point to the idea of the average native Brit or American is a problem.

But they are OUR problem. Our societies need to tend to our own, its a moral and civic obligation.

Now lets look at the immigration practices. Assuming they to have an average IQ (they do not), they do not have average means, average skills, average linguistic proficiency, average extended family safety nets, or average assimilation. OF COURSE our societies will go off a cliff when we are taking in at-best, average citizens of the world when our way, way above world-average median citizens are demonstrably a problem for our own societies.

Solution: Rip off the globe for the best and brightest. Grab the 120 IQ top talent. Grab the rare skills. Grab the STEM PhDs. Grab their capital that gets deposited in our banks or invested in our companies. The solution is remarkable discrimination and selectivity in our immigration policy to take people that are top 1/10th of top 1% in their home countries which in turn suggests they'll be at least top-5% contributors to the West. In short, we need statistical guarantees for net-benefit.

At present, we aren't getting that value from our immigration. In the future, we will realize what we are getting is population replacement rates from those that are unable to maintain or enhance the GDP of Britain or America.

 

[Aaron N]

Radical leftist terrorist plot against the Whitehouse UFC fight was foiled.

By a mom reporting it

 

[Brent in Az]

By a mom reporting it

Finally a parent who had the courage to do the right thing.
Too many parents ignore the warning signs these days.....until it's too late.

 

[pilar]

All these rampant immigration strategies fail based on the law of averages.

If you take an average American or Brit, the average IQ is 100. They have average debt. Average native language skills. Average western education. Average skills to apply for and maintain an average job. Average family problems. I could continue ad nauseum. EVEN THEN, the average outcomes for these stereotypically average people are not good for their societies. The average person in both situations pays no taxes. The average person commits some amount of crimes. The average bankruptcy rates, average divorce rates, average childhood abandonment rates, and average drug abuse rates all point to the idea of the average native Brit or American is a problem.

But they are OUR problem. Our societies need to tend to our own, its a moral and civic obligation.

Now lets look at the immigration practices. Assuming they to have an average IQ (they do not), they do not have average means, average skills, average linguistic proficiency, average extended family safety nets, or average assimilation. OF COURSE our societies will go off a cliff when we are taking in at-best, average citizens of the world when our way, way above world-average median citizens are demonstrably a problem for our own societies.

Solution: Rip off the globe for the best and brightest. Grab the 120 IQ top talent. Grab the rare skills. Grab the STEM PhDs. Grab their capital that gets deposited in our banks or invested in our companies. The solution is remarkable discrimination and selectivity in our immigration policy to take people that are top 1/10th of top 1% in their home countries which in turn suggests they'll be at least top-5% contributors to the West. In short, we need statistical guarantees for net-benefit.

At present, we aren't getting that value from our immigration. In the future, we will realize what we are getting is population replacement rates from those that are unable to maintain or enhance the GDP of Britain or America.

I’m definitely not going to disagree with this basic premise.
But we have a majority shortage of farm and ranch workers and need to revamp the
H-2A system, lots of my family and friends are struggling to get competent semi skilled permanent workers to help with general labor, ( fencing, help checking and doctoring sick animals, bailing hay , ect)
My cousin has been a large & small animal veterinarian for 35 years, he just recently closed his practice to run his ranch , ( which is a 24/7 365 rat race ) nobody in the USA
Wants to work as a general labor worker or even learn how to.
For the last 125 years we have had people coming for 10-11 months a year to work and live on the ranch’s, current labor force for this type work has just disappeared.
And everyone I know has no clue how to solve this issue!

 

[spike.t]

Does anyone supposedly running the show have a clue as to what is actually happening....all seems a total fkup joke to me

Strait of Hormuz: Iran sends loaded oil tankers past US naval blockade

Three Iranian tankers loaded with crude oil have passed the US blockade line in the Gulf of Oman, ship-tracking data shows.

www.bbc.com

 

[rookhawk]

I’m definitely not going to disagree with this basic premise.
But we have a majority shortage of farm and ranch workers and need to revamp the
H-2A system, lots of my family and friends are struggling to get competent semi skilled permanent workers to help with general labor, ( fencing, help checking and doctoring sick animals, bailing hay , ect)
My cousin has been a large & small animal veterinarian for 35 years, he just recently closed his practice to run his ranch , ( which is a 24/7 365 rat race ) nobody in the USA
Wants to work as a general labor worker or even learn how to.
For the last 125 years we have had people coming for 10-11 months a year to work and live on the ranch’s, current labor force for this type work has just disappeared.
And everyone I know has no clue how to solve this issue!

you're presenting one viable option. I'll restate your option explicitly and then I'll present a second option.

Option 1: With much vetting, we have seasonal migrant labor that provides us useful skills (e.g. like we had in the 1980s) to harvest our vegetables. They then go back to Latin America better off, and we're better off for the affordable produce.

Option 2: No cost is incurred that isn't passed on to the consumer. When crops cannot be harvested for $12 an hour, they get harvested at $25 an hour. We do pay more for our strawberries, but the 4% unemployed finally see the point of working because wages increase to a level that creates interest. In turn, while our strawberries are more expensive, the uninsured motorist collisions, crime, and pressures on our social services and schools diminish. It turns out an expensive strawberry is a lot less expensive than tuition/prisons/insurance in the long run.

This just happened a mile from my house. A 13 year old farm kid was safely riding in his restored 1960s John Deere tractor when an uninsured, undocumented hispanic woman travelling at excessive speeds hit the tractor so hard it was split in half. $30k tractor destroyed. A miracle the kid survived. Why was she in such a hurry? She was driving between Dairy #1 and Dairy #2 for daily milking. My local neighbor and moral enemy decides to hire illegal workers and put them behind the wheel. I do not want cheap milk as much as I want safe roads with legal drivers.

 

[PARA45]

The problem is that no one want to do that kind of work. No one wants to be in a roof when it is 100 degrees outside with 100 percent humidity, no one wants to work 12-14 hrs a day in a farm. Basically, no US citizen wants to do any manual labor anymore. Our system is broken and our system is at fault for creating and fostering laziness.

 

[rookhawk]

The problem is that no one want to do that kind of work. No one wants to be in a roof when it is 100 degrees outside with 100 percent humidity, no one wants to work 12-14 hrs a day in a farm. Basically, no US citizen wants to do any manual labor anymore. Our system is broken and our system is at fault for creating and fostering laziness.

Many people will do the hardest or grossest of jobs if the pay is very good.

Look no further than skilled medicine. Podiatry and Proctology pay a lot better than the less-gross specialities. Everybody has their price in a society. If you're willing to create a large social safety net and under-bid the value of labor by importing the third world, every single job will be done for less because you've lowered the prevailing market wage.

A perfect example is the stereotype of residential roofers. In most areas, they are stormchasers of Hondurans and other central Americans. They largely displaced illegal Mexicans and Caucasian citizens with criminal records. The prices are so low, you cannot find legal, employable people to do the work. But what about commercial union roofers? Yeah, they have to be bonded, insured, and legal. Their wages are six-figure because of the barrier against illegal workers.

 

[Hunt anything]

I’m definitely not going to disagree with this basic premise.
But we have a majority shortage of farm and ranch workers and need to revamp the
H-2A system, lots of my family and friends are struggling to get competent semi skilled permanent workers to help with general labor, ( fencing, help checking and doctoring sick animals, bailing hay , ect)
My cousin has been a large & small animal veterinarian for 35 years, he just recently closed his practice to run his ranch , ( which is a 24/7 365 rat race ) nobody in the USA
Wants to work as a general labor worker or even learn how to.
For the last 125 years we have had people coming for 10-11 months a year to work and live on the ranch’s, current labor force for this type work has just disappeared.
And everyone I know has no clue how to solve this issue!

Our farm probably couldn’t survive without the H2A program. We have about 1,500 acres of turf grass and roughly the same in row crops.it’s a great program but is almost becoming cost prohibitive to use.

This year was tough because the government decided to cut their minimum pay by around 25% and about half of our 10 weren’t going to come. We met them in the middle and they all decided to come back. My understanding from the guys said that when they went to Monterey for their paperwork normally there are thousands of people waiting but this year only about 25% the number were waiting.

 

[Aaron N]

The problem is that no one want to do that kind of work. No one wants to be in a roof when it is 100 degrees outside with 100 percent humidity, no one wants to work 12-14 hrs a day in a farm. Basically, no US citizen wants to do any manual labor anymore. Our system is broken and our system is at fault for creating and fostering laziness.

Nobody wants to do those jobs for the amount being offered. Someone will dig through a pile of shit with a spoon for 12 hours, if they think they are being fairly compensated. Free market principals work for labour as well.

 

[RLD]

All these rampant immigration strategies fail based on the law of averages.

If you take an average American or Brit, the average IQ is 100. They have average debt. Average native language skills. Average western education. Average skills to apply for and maintain an average job. Average family problems. I could continue ad nauseum. EVEN THEN, the average outcomes for these stereotypically average people are not good for their societies. The average person in both situations pays no taxes. The average person commits some amount of crimes. The average bankruptcy rates, average divorce rates, average childhood abandonment rates, and average drug abuse rates all point to the idea of the average native Brit or American is a problem.

But they are OUR problem. Our societies need to tend to our own, its a moral and civic obligation.

Now lets look at the immigration practices. Assuming they to have an average IQ (they do not), they do not have average means, average skills, average linguistic proficiency, average extended family safety nets, or average assimilation. OF COURSE our societies will go off a cliff when we are taking in at-best, average citizens of the world when our way, way above world-average median citizens are demonstrably a problem for our own societies.

Solution: Rip off the globe for the best and brightest. Grab the 120 IQ top talent. Grab the rare skills. Grab the STEM PhDs. Grab their capital that gets deposited in our banks or invested in our companies. The solution is remarkable discrimination and selectivity in our immigration policy to take people that are top 1/10th of top 1% in their home countries which in turn suggests they'll be at least top-5% contributors to the West. In short, we need statistical guarantees for net-benefit.

At present, we aren't getting that value from our immigration. In the future, we will realize what we are getting is population replacement rates from those that are unable to maintain or enhance the GDP of Britain or America.

I think the problem and the solution is a lot more complicated than you make it out to be.

Firstly, comparing IQ across international borders and different societies is pretty much a mug's game leading nowhere. But that is a longer discussion.

A country does need to decide what kind of immigrants it wants to let in. But it is not just a matter of grabbing the brightest, richest, or most skilled. That probably conflicts with what certain parts of your economy needs and what future you want for your current citizens.

Look at it this way. Is the idea that you use your own children, to do the shitty jobs that take no skill or ambition, or is the idea to educate your own children to have more meaningful lucrative jobs while immigrants do the lower-paying low skill jobs? Is the idea to have the next generation of Americans picking crops, gardening, driving Ubers etc, or is the idea to offer your current citizens a better future? There is a need for low skill, low pay labour and immigrants can fill that role quite well, and often be happier doing it than American kids.

I also think bringing in skills that are in need, which could be bricklayers, plumbers, IT or whatever makes a great deal of sense.

But you still need people to pick the crops, clean the floors etc, at low rates to keep the economy balanced. And let's be real, American/Canadian/British kids brought up in our current society are not good candidates for that vital work.

 

[mdwest]

I’m definitely not going to disagree with this basic premise.
But we have a majority shortage of farm and ranch workers and need to revamp the
H-2A system, lots of my family and friends are struggling to get competent semi skilled permanent workers to help with general labor, ( fencing, help checking and doctoring sick animals, bailing hay , ect)
My cousin has been a large & small animal veterinarian for 35 years, he just recently closed his practice to run his ranch , ( which is a 24/7 365 rat race ) nobody in the USA
Wants to work as a general labor worker or even learn how to.
For the last 125 years we have had people coming for 10-11 months a year to work and live on the ranch’s, current labor force for this type work has just disappeared.
And everyone I know has no clue how to solve this issue!

I wonder if there arent regional issues with this, and in other places where immigrant labor really hasnt ever had a huge presence if its an issue at all?

as an example, I was in Montana a couple of weeks ago.. while we were there, there was a calf branding going on, so we stopped by to check it out..

the entire community came together to help the rancher with his branding.. my understanding is this is how it works for all of the ranchers.. they all help each other out.. its something of a community social event.. after the day of work is done they all have a big meal together, drink some beer, etc.. etc..

I saw probably 60-70 people.. of all ages... literally young teens to old men and women.. ALL LOCALS, zero immigrants.. all working their asses off roping calves, taking them to the ground, branding, doctoring, etc.. etc.. and they spent all day doing it..

None of them were afraid of getting dirty or putting in a hard day of work.. they were busting their butts.. covered in dirt, sweat, and a good bit of blood before it was over with.. and all appeared super happy to be doing it..

I dont doubt that there are ranches and farms that cant find labor.. I have heard enough people complain about it to 100% believe that it is a real problem for some folks..

But I didnt see it as much of a problem in Montana while I was there.. I roamed all around the area for 4 days.. went into the little town pretty much every day.. went to a town festival over the weekend.. attended the branding.. and hung around several ranchers while I was there.. I never saw anyone that appeared to be an immigrant.. and never heard anyone speak to having a labor shortage there..

 

[Flipper Dude]

Pure free market principles quit applying to labor when it became possible to get by, albeit poorly, with just setting on one’s ass, thanks to the government.

 

[mdwest]

Nobody wants to do those jobs for the amount being offered. Someone will dig through a pile of shit with a spoon for 12 hours, if they think they are being fairly compensated. Free market principals work for labour as well.

Is that a problem with wages? or with the people though?

when state governments like California are declaring that flipping burgers at McDonalds must pay a minimum of $20 an hour.... and procliaming that every job should provide a "living wage" (without actually defining what "living" is)... how exactly does anyone afford to pay unskilled laborers that are going to work out in the weather, or in a hot factory, etc.. a wage that allows their product or service to be affordable and sellable to their customer base?

this is why companies are automating and taking the human factor out of the equation..

when you can install a machine that has a fraction of the long term legacy cost of a human (because the human expects too much for the task being asked to be completed), that never comes in late, never takes off early for a doctors appointment, doesnt sue you for wrongful termination after they purposefully take a shit in the middle of your office, etc..etc.. why would you ever hire another $24 an hour barista or burger flipper?