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[375 Ruger Fan]

Separate topic regarding the Super Bowl, regarding the much anticipated commercials. It seemed to me that NBC had a lot of NBC / Peacock related commercials for the Olympics, TV shows, etc. That seems to indicate that NBC didn't or couldn't sell on the available commercial slots and filled them with their own commercials. Comments?

 

[RLD]

By that same standard you think Bad Bunny, Ricky Martin, Lady Gaga, and Green Day are "Family Friendly"?

You think the Super Bowl halftime show that featured those artists was a better option?

TPUSA featured Gabby Barrett - very openly proclaimed Christian lady that incorporates her faith into her music.. Brantley Gilbert.. also very openly proclaimed Christian that tells people he is a "believer above all else".. that has written songs like "My Faith in You", etc.. Lee Brice, who is also Christian, has made social media posts on Instagram telling people how important it is to pray, had made multiple public statements about the importance of following Gods plan.. and Kid Rock, one of the biggest names in Rock in Roll for decades that publicly proclaimed his faith in Jesus Christ 18 months ago, and that tells people he is a "messy Christian" and a "child Christian" when explaining he is just now figuring everything out and trying to understand his old life vs his new..

All of these people other than Kid Rock are very much "family" men and women.. are constantly seen in public with their spouse and their kids, are constantly talking about their family values, their children, their spouses, etc..

And Kid Rock, while not married, has been in a relationship with the same woman for 16 years, and is actually known for being a very devoted father, who has raised his son as a single father, etc..

But Billy Joe Armstrong, lead singer of Green Day, openly bisexual, openly drug addicted (their song "stink breath" is about how Billy Joe's breath stinks because of his use of meth).. Ricky Martin, openly gay, divorced from his husband.. Lady Gaga, openly bi-sexual, huge promoter of LGTBQ+.. and Bad Bunny, known for being "Gender Fluid", wants to redefine America as ALL of the Americas as one nation, and also a proponent of LGTBQ+ culture... this is family friendly?

You are kind of conflating two issues arn't you?

The Super Bowl is not about family values, it is about making money. I was under the impression that the alternative show was being offered as a more family friendly/moral alternative to the commercialized and (at best) amoral approach of the network show. They arn't pitching that their event is about family values or moral leadership. They are just making money. Pure secular entertainment.

You are also falling into that same old race to the bottom approach that is rolled out every time a MAGA character does something offensive. "The other guy sucks worse" is a not a response to a critique, it is embracing failure. Just because "the other guy" is a ten pound bag of shit, doesn't mean we should be content with "our guy" just being an eight pound bag of shit. How low are we going to let our standards go to score a few political points?

No one is arguing any of those people is "family friendly" are they? Isn't that a straw man?

I am all for conversion and redemption, but that doesn't make you the right headliner. I am Catholic, but if Mick Jagger converted tomorrow I am not sure the guy who wrote Sympathy for the Devil would be the right headliner for World Catholic Youth Day.

 

[Tanks]

Bad Bunny, known for being "Gender Fluid", wants to redefine America as ALL of the Americas as one nation, and also a proponent of LGTBQ+ culture... this is family friendly?

Question: Does the Super Bowl halftime show have to be family friendly or the politics of the artists have to be family friendly?

Not to mention "family friendly" has different meanings to different people. I am sure the twerking dancers would not qualify to be family friendly to the pastor depicted in "Footloose".

 

[Brent in Az]

Question: Does the Super Bowl halftime show have to be family friendly or the politics of the artists have to be family friendly?

Not to mention "family friendly" has different meanings to different people. I am sure the twerking dancers would not qualify to be family friendly to the pastor depicted in "Footloose".

The NFL has become a woke indoctrination camp, and nothing but sluts for money. Family values mean nothing anymore.
Just after the announcement that Bad Bunny was going to headline the halftime show, he was mocking and taunting MAGA supporters. That's when it became personal.
He can stay in his own damn country, and prance around stage in a dress acting like a douchebag for all I care.
Who knows, maybe the NFL will have halftime drag queen shows in another year or two. It wouldn't surprise me.

 

[mdwest]

Question: Does the Super Bowl halftime show have to be family friendly or the politics of the artists have to be family friendly?

Not to mention "family friendly" has different meanings to different people. I am sure the twerking dancers would not qualify to be family friendly to the pastor depicted in "Footloose".

Im not advocating family friendly...

remember, Im the guy thats attended 2x "old" Kid Rock performances in person

 

[LivingTheDream]

I watched all of the Super Bowl on an airplane as my flight left from Atlanta at 6PM and landed as they were presented the trophy.

I watched a few minutes of the Bad Bunny, did not enjoy it. It wasn't the language, but the overall music and lyrics. I do enjoy Rammstein and Edith Piaf among many other foreign language singers and Bad Bunny was not one of them.

If one is using politics and general worldview of artists as a filter, then one is really limiting themselves by living in a bubble. Heck, even a dinner conversation might be interesting to experience.

It would be so Epic if they got Rammstein to do the Superbowl halftime show!

 

[Hank2211]

Like most stats those are very largely skewed to tell a specific story…

Total viewership goes up every year.. because of all of the global internet streaming opportunities… the Super Bowl is now accessible in 130 countries…

But the international viewers aren’t buyers/consumers.. and aren’t the target audience of the superbowl.., and certainly aren’t indicative of US culture shift from left to right..

What is relevant is 1982 was where the NFL and the Super Bowl peaked in the US… 49.1% of all households watched it..

Last night roughly 41% of US households watched SOME of the Super Bowl… what hasn’t been released yet is how much did they watch… the TV ratings peaked in the second quarter though…

While certainly not a bad year… it was far from their best…

What is even more interesting is they have lost roughly 1/2 a point of viewership every year since 2011… and continue to slightly decline year over year in the US…

Only one point I have to take issue with. I think lots of international viewers are buyers/consumers. Pepsi markets globally for example, as does NovoNordisk (Ro). I could go on, but many of the advertisers are in fact looking at the global viewership numbers when deciding to advertise at $10MM for 30 seconds!

 

[RLD]

The NFL has become a woke indoctrination camp, and nothing but sluts for money. Family values mean nothing anymore.
Just after the announcement that Bad Bunny was going to headline the halftime show, he was mocking and taunting MAGA supporters. That's when it became personal.
He can stay in his own damn country, and prance around stage in a dress acting like a douchebag for all I care.
Who knows, maybe the NFL will have halftime drag queen shows in another year or two. It wouldn't surprise me.
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Well they have been putting skirts on quarterbacks (shout out to Jack Lambert) for quite some time.

But isn't Bad Bunny American?

 

[mdwest]

You are kind of conflating two issues arn't you?

The Super Bowl is not about family values, it is about making money. I was under the impression that the alternative show was being offered as a more family friendly/moral alternative to the commercialized and (at best) amoral approach of the network show. They arn't pitching that their event is about family values or moral leadership. They are just making money. Pure secular entertainment.

You are also falling into that same old race to the bottom approach that is rolled out every time a MAGA character does something offensive. "The other guy sucks worse" is a not a response to a critique, it is embracing failure. Just because "the other guy" is a ten pound bag of shit, doesn't mean we should be content with "our guy" just being an eight pound bag of shit. How low are we going to let our standards go to score a few political points?

No one is arguing any of those people is "family friendly" are they? Isn't that a straw man?

I am all for conversion and redemption, but that doesn't make you the right headliner. I am Catholic, but if Mick Jagger converted tomorrow I am not sure the guy who wrote Sympathy for the Devil would be the right headliner for World Catholic Youth Day.

I suppose I read it as you conflating the two issues and me attempting to straighten them out..

in your post (#69,438) you speak to whether or not the TPUSA show was family friendly.. you in fact are agruing that one person specifically (Kid Rock) is not family friendly..

my point is pretty simple.. yes.. if youre evaluating family friendly against the morals/ethics/behaviors of the entertainers at TPUSA.. look at who they had on stage... all family people.. all known for judeao christian beliefs.. all known for being moral people etc... it was a family friendly show..

"old" kid rock.. maybe not so much.. "new" Kid Rock however seems to be fitting the mold as well..

contrast that against the superbowl halftime show.. which is clearly intentionally not family friendly at all.. the line up is about family unfriendly as it gets..

Thats not a MAGA race to the bottom.. its merely pointing out that you are absolutely wrong in your assertion..

Regarding Mick Jagger.. I'd think if he converted tomorrow, he would be the PERFECT headliner for World Catholic Youth Day... he would be the epitome of what Christ taught... EVERYONE is eligible for salvation.. EVERYONE is welcome in his house.. Just believe in him, and your world changes..

His testimony might would be one of the most powerful testimonies in the history of mankind.. If Mick Jagger can find Jesus after 60 years of sex, drugs, and rock and roll, who cant? If Mick can be forgiven and given admission into heaven, surely some 17 year old thats been on a bad path for the last 3 years can find Jesus too.. I'd think Mick coming to Jesus and openly professing his faith to the world, and telling the youth to repent and find the joy that he missed for 60+ years would be HUGELY inspirational for some.. and would be exactly the message the Chuch would want to share..

Pope Benedict XVI was a member of the Hitler Youth (whether forced into it or not, his behavior as a youth was undoubtedly something to question.. he also remained largely silent on the Holocaust while serving as pope.. and yet.. he was Pope.. obviously a man of God.. a man that most would believe was absolved of all sin, no matter how minor or major (we're all sinners by the way).. who rose to lead a church of 1.4B people..

If you dont believe Mick Jagger can be saved and can be a new man in Christ.. youre not really Christian at all, are you?

 

[mdwest]

But isn't Bad Bunny American?

Yep.. Puerto Rican.. so 100% US Citizen..

 

[Altitude sickness]

My issue with the half time show was not that it’s Rap or was all Spanish. They need to rotate music styles for all demographics. So all good there.

My issue is that the performer hates our country. We have enough citizens that hate our country, we don’t need to pay a flag burning commie to play one of Americas largest viewing events.

The SuperBowl epitomizes how shallow, commercialized and phony a large portion of our society is.

I’m no prude but the dry humping, booty shaking ridiculousness when families were watching the show was 3rd rate, classless and does not reflect well on our society.

The NFL has just returned to my do not watch list. Next year the NFL will go full Redneck, apple pie, Momma, Trains and Prison. Thinking it will set a reset. And unfortunately it will.

Numbed, zombie brains, “Must Watch TV”

 

[mdwest]

My issue with the half time show was not that it’s Rap or was all Spanish. They need to rotate music styles for all demographics. So all good there.

My issue is that the performer hates our country. We have enough citizens that hate our country, we don’t need to pay a flag burning commie to play one of Americas largest viewing events.

The SuperBowl epitomizes how shallow, commercialized and phony a large portion of our society is.

I’m no prude but the dry humping, booty shaking ridiculousness when families were watching the show was 3rd rate, classless and does not reflect well on our society.

The NFL has just returned to my do not watch list. Next year the NFL will go full Redneck, apple pie, Momma, Trains and Prison. Thinking it will set a reset. And unfortunately it will.

Numbed, zombie brains, “Must Watch TV”

This is exactly why I have abandoned the NFL..

I am certainly no prude (again.. Im the guy that pays to watch "old" Kid Rock perform live ).. .

But, I dont have any desire to spend time or money supporting any organization that willfully supports the destruction of the fabric of American culture and society..

The NFL pledged $250M to Black Lives Matter in 2020..

The NFL supported Kaepernicks ridiculousness in 2016 (Its one thing to allow him to act like a clown.. its quite another thing to encourage the behavior across the league)..

The NFL allowed Michael Vick to return to the NFL in 2009..

Etc.. etc.. etc..

I slowed my attention to pro football around 2010.. I just got tired of the parade of criminals and thugs pushing their latest antics on a weekly basis.. by 2016 I was completely done with the league...

 

[skydiver386]

My issue with the half time show was not that it’s Rap or was all Spanish. They need to rotate music styles for all demographics. So all good there.

My issue is that the performer hates our country. We have enough citizens that hate our country, we don’t need to pay a flag burning commie to play one of Americas largest viewing events.

The SuperBowl epitomizes how shallow, commercialized and phony a large portion of our society is.

I’m no prude but the dry humping, booty shaking ridiculousness when families were watching the show was 3rd rate, classless and does not reflect well on our society.

The NFL has just returned to my do not watch list. Next year the NFL will go full Redneck, apple pie, Momma, Trains and Prison. Thinking it will set a reset. And unfortunately it will.

Numbed, zombie brains, “Must Watch TV”

I boycott with my wallet, my feet, my computer mouse and my remote control.

I think the World would be a better place if more folks did the same.

 

[RLD]

If you dont believe Mick Jagger can be saved and can be a new man in Christ.. youre not really Christian at all, are you?

You are conflating two different issues again.

I do believe Mick Jagger can be saved.

That doesn't mean I think he is a suitable headliner for a youth focussed event.

Let me go a step further and tell you why I think that way. I think one of the criteria for selection of youth leaders is to offer a role model or life to emulate, not just the last 15 minutes.

I would like youth to learn that the right way forward is to live a upstanding life from day one, not to be a rock and roll freak for many years making all your money doing shit that no rational person approves of and then flip a switch and suddenly become a example for young people.

I could even see the value of a guy like Kid Rock coming on stage and saying "I did X, Y, Z etc in the past and that was really stupid, you guys really shouldn't do all that dumb shit that I did in the past and I really regret it and would like to sincerely apologize to all the people I treated like crap over the years...".

But we havn't heard that and I doubt we ever will.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Budweiser was all in on Transvestites selling us beer. Now they think one add of a horse and an eagle and every redneck is back on board. and unfortunately that is how it works.

 

[skydiver386]

TPUSA spokesperson says views of their halftime show may total 50 Million.

 

[Scott CWO]

You are kind of conflating two issues arn't you?

The Super Bowl is not about family values, it is about making money. I was under the impression that the alternative show was being offered as a more family friendly/moral alternative to the commercialized and (at best) amoral approach of the network show. They arn't pitching that their event is about family values or moral leadership. They are just making money. Pure secular entertainment.

You are also falling into that same old race to the bottom approach that is rolled out every time a MAGA character does something offensive. "The other guy sucks worse" is a not a response to a critique, it is embracing failure. Just because "the other guy" is a ten pound bag of shit, doesn't mean we should be content with "our guy" just being an eight pound bag of shit. How low are we going to let our standards go to score a few political points?

No one is arguing any of those people is "family friendly" are they? Isn't that a straw man?

I am all for conversion and redemption, but that doesn't make you the right headliner. I am Catholic, but if Mick Jagger converted tomorrow I am not sure the guy who wrote Sympathy for the Devil would be the right headliner for World Catholic Youth Day.

I was not under the impression either show was to be family friendly. More about politics and staying away from sexual orientation was the TPUSA show. Bad Bunny is a sexual freak. The SB halftime show was horrible. This is still a predominantly English speaking country. Goodell screwed up. We won’t see something this pathetic in the future for a while.

 

[mdwest]

You are conflating two different issues again.

I do believe Mick Jagger can be saved.

That doesn't mean I think he is a suitable headliner for a youth focussed event.

Let me go a step further and tell you why I think that way. I think one of the criteria for selection of youth leaders is to offer a role model or life to emulate, not just the last 15 minutes.

I would like youth to learn that the right way forward is to live a upstanding life from day one, not to be a rock and roll freak for many years making all your money doing shit that no rational person approves of and then flip a switch and suddenly become a example for young people.

I could even see the value of a guy like Kid Rock coming on stage and saying "I did X, Y, Z etc in the past and that was really stupid, you guys really shouldn't do all that dumb shit that I did in the past and I really regret it and would like to sincerely apologize to all the people I treated like crap over the years...".

But we havn't heard that and I doubt we ever will.

You should google Kid Rock.. he's actually been saying that for the last year and a half... We have in fact heard it, and I am sure we will continue to hear it..

Again.. he is telling people he is a "messy" Christian.. that he is still figuring out what it means to leave his old life, embrace his new life, etc.. that he is a "baby" Christian, and that his faith is very child like, because he doesnt have the benefit of having been in the faith for most of his life, etc.. but that he is growing..

He talked with Joe Rogan about Jesus in 2024.. even offered to introduce Rogan to his pastor and help him with his walk..

He has said he absolutely regrets the party rock star lifestyle he led, because it led to loneliness and emptiness..

He publicly renounced and apologized for "vulgar and mysonigistic" lyrics he wrote in "Cool Daddy Cool"

You and I are obviously in disagreement on Jagger... the fact that he would be a new Christian, that no one ever thought would have ever made the decision to follow Jesus.. that walked away from wine, women, and song, etc.. and put a literal lifetime of sin behind him and conciously made the choice to become new in Christ is EXACTLY why I think he wouldnt just be a suitable headliner.. but that he would be IDEAL..

The message Kid Rock is conveying is NOT that its ok to be a rock and roll freak all your life.. he is clearly telling people he REGRETS his past life.. but that he also is comforted by knowing he is forgiven.. and that they can be forgiven too...

I'd think Mick's testimony would be similar (if we were talking real world and not hypothetical).. it would be "I thought I was happy.. but the truth is I was empty.. I feel better about life right now than I ever have.. I wish I never made the decisions I made.. and Im here to tell you that you not only dont have to make the decisions I made.. but that you have an opportunity to live your ENTIRE life free of the burdon of shame and emptiness.."

 

[Tanks]

He can stay in his own damn country

But isn't Bad Bunny American?

Yep.. Puerto Rican.. so 100% US Citizen..

For a lot of the hardcore MAGA folks if one is not a white Christian then they are not considered American. Similar views with the KKK or Proud Boys.

 

[Tanks]

This explains the decision.

Bad Bunny means big money, plus Lindsey Vonn crashed in Olympics return — The Athletic

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From the article:

“The NFL selecting Bad Bunny as the headliner of the Super Bowl LX halftime show was one of the simplest business decisions in the history of capitalism. In 2025, the Puerto Rican singer and rapper was the world’s most-streamed artist for the fourth time. That the United States’ most popular sports league would enlist one of the country’s most popular musicians for its marquee event is, on pure business terms, not that interesting. Of course these two would find each other. The NFL sees Bad Bunny as the future.

But because the money gods are always smiling down on the NFL, its pick of Bad Bunny has worked out even better than the league probably planned. What was undoubtedly just a regular ol’ transaction now looks like unmitigated marketing genius. And not just because Bad Bunny won Album of the Year, among other honors, at the Grammy Awards last weekend.”