Politics

[farmer_john]

Point 1 - we have the most conservative SCOTUS in decades… do you really believe any of this changes?

Point 2 - ruling later this year doesn’t change the fact about what is law today…

What is law and whats erroniously applied are two seperate topics

 

[SaintPanzer]

You are correct except for the fact that Kyle rittenhouse was breaking the law as well. He was in Illinois which explicitly bans open carry of any kind, which he was doing. As far as I saw the Minnesota guy was fully legal except for not having his concealed carry license on him (which he did have, just not on his person) whereas Kyle wasn’t even old enough to get a concealed carry permit, didn’t have one, and was open carrying in a state where open carry is illegal, and was 17 years old, meaning he couldn’t even legally own a gun in Illinois.

I’m also not for any of these shootings and the protestors in Minneapolis are getting insane, but I think ICE is also insane for gassing civilians in areas near children’s parks and homes where people not even protesting could potentially die from the gas, plus it’s a literal war crime to even use on military combatants.

I'm sure the people in Kenosha, Wisconsin will be surprised to learn they have been annexed by Illinois.

 

[pilar]

Both of those guns are DA/SA guns and completely different. 320 is striker fired. Also, a handgun is not supposed to fire when dropped. Passing a drop test is one the requirements of firearm approval for a number of agencies.

Yeah I love a DA/SA over more “ modern “ designs, I actually like a S&W 28 or 19
But everyone has to have a hi capacity now days

 

[Newboomer]

I eventually settled on EDC with a 9mm SIG P365 after carrying a Glock 42 in .380 for several years, which I did my USCCA qualification with. Also carried Glock 22 (still have my first Gen 1) and I like Glocks reliability and performance. I am sold on both Glocks and SIG with a favoring toward the SIG. I have not owned or shot a P320 either but I understand there was a problem with a light spring associated with the striker. I don't know if SIG ever admitted an error but I believe there were some voluntary upgrades. My expeience with SIG is that they are a fine dependable weapon, and accurate.

I have to go with a 1911. My first contact with big bore handguns was 1960 in the Navy. Seabees had to qualify with rifles and handguns. We were issued a 1903 Springfield and a govt 1911 for qualification. The 1911 I got was so loose it felt like it was going to fall apart before I could even chamber a round. However, after a couple rounds that rig gave me expert rating for the session. It just fit me right and shot like a dream. I was hooked. Instant love and it's lasted for the last eighty odd years.
I've shot and carried about every kind of pistol out there and I always return to the good old tried and true 1911 in various brands. Nothing compares for reliability, accuracy and simplicity. Like Timex they take a licking and keep on ticking. May not hold as many rounds as some others but they get the job done.

 

[mdwest]

What is law and whats erroniously applied are two seperate topics

The discussion wasn’t about erosions application… it was about someone stating that the constitution protects illegals as a fact, when that is simply not the truth…

You then attempted factor in a pending SCOTUS hearing, which has zero to do with what is current fact/truth…

That’s a very poor attempt at a red herring at best…

 

[Tanks]

All I can say to people who have an issue with the way ICE is operating, is go sneak into another country illegally, and see how they treat you when you are caught.

What does that have anything to do with here. Every country has different laws, if I carry my EDC pocket knife in the UK, I would be arrested and be jailed.

 

[John the Electrician]

You are correct except for the fact that Kyle rittenhouse was breaking the law as well. He was in Illinois which explicitly bans open carry of any kind, which he was doing. As far as I saw the Minnesota guy was fully legal except for not having his concealed carry license on him (which he did have, just not on his person) whereas Kyle wasn’t even old enough to get a concealed carry permit, didn’t have one, and was open carrying in a state where open carry is illegal, and was 17 years old, meaning he couldn’t even legally own a gun in Illinois.

I don’t need to spend the time to fact check every nuance of your statement to know you are misinformed in so many ways. Your above statement is generally false.

Rittenhouse was from Illinois, with family ties to Kenosha, WI which is where the shooting happened. Rioters were burning down parts of the city; he didn’t break any IL laws.

Open carry is legal in Wisconsin, a permit is not required to open carry in WI. To conceal carry, you do need a permit and probably need to be 21 if the gun you are carrying is a handgun.

It is legal for a person under the age of 18 to carry a long gun, in WI in the open, assuming you have taken hunters safety or are in the immediate proximity of a person 18 or older who has taken hunters safety. I don’t know if Rittenhouse had taken hunters safety.

Did Rittenhouse make a bunch of questionable choices? He certainly did.

Were rioters trying to hit him with a skateboard and a brick or something? Yes, they were.

He went to trial and was either acquitted or found not guilty of the main charges against him. I invite you to do a quick search to clarify the topic.

 

[Wheels]

You are correct except for the fact that Kyle rittenhouse was breaking the law as well. He was in Illinois which explicitly bans open carry of any kind, which he was doing. As far as I saw the Minnesota guy was fully legal except for not having his concealed carry license on him (which he did have, just not on his person) whereas Kyle wasn’t even old enough to get a concealed carry permit, didn’t have one, and was open carrying in a state where open carry is illegal, and was 17 years old, meaning he couldn’t even legally own a gun in Illinois.

I’m also not for any of these shootings and the protestors in Minneapolis are getting insane, but I think ICE is also insane for gassing civilians in areas near children’s parks and homes where people not even protesting could potentially die from the gas, plus it’s a literal war crime to even use on military combatants.

Rittenhouse was not in Illinois. He was in Kenosha Wisconsin which allows open carry. Rittenhouse was also not involved in protests. He was protecting a business from being looted and burned down.

 

[Tanks]

For example, the courts have determined that the 4th amendment applies to everyone within the borders of the US.

Yet, ICE doesn't seem to pay attention to it. An example...

US citizen says ICE removed him from his Minnesota home in his underwear after warrantless search

Federal immigration agents have detained a U.S. citizen in Minnesota at gunpoint without a warrant

abcnews.go.com

 

[farmer_john]

The discussion wasn’t about erosions application… it was about someone stating that the constitution protects illegals as a fact, when that is simply not the truth…

You then attempted factor in a pending SCOTUS hearing, which has zero to do with what is current fact/truth…

That’s a very poor attempt at a red herring at best…

Just saying im looking forward tk see if anything changes

 

[Tanks]

Yeah I love a DA/SA over more “ modern “ designs

I like them too, though they are not for those that do not put in a lot of practice as the DA is usually almost double the SA trigger pull and most can not adjust.

I have competed with one of mine. Here is a practice session.

 

[mdwest]

Yet, ICE doesn't seem to pay attention to it. An example...

US citizen says ICE removed him from his Minnesota home in his underwear after warrantless search

Federal immigration agents have detained a U.S. citizen in Minnesota at gunpoint without a warrant

abcnews.go.com

I wasn’t there, so I clearly don’t have all the facts or information..

But don’t fall into the trap of believing that every entry into a domicile requires a warrant, or that there is some sort of blanket protection under the 4th amendment that says law enforcement cannot under any circumstance enter a domicile without a warrant just because ABC News tells you that there is a problem… it simply isn’t that simple…

There are several very legal ways to obtain access to a domicile without a warrant…

There are a few little hints in that article that lead me to believe they were likely covered in their actions (again, I don’t have all the facts, so I cannot definitively say)..

Combine that with MN having a fairly liberal history on its take regarding “plain view doctrine”… it’s not going to be hard to hold the ICE guys accountable unless you can 100% prove they are intentionally and purposefully lying (almost impossible.. because how do you get into another man’s head and know what is an honest mistake vs an intentional wrongful action)…

 

[mdwest]

Just saying im looking forward tk see if anything changes

I’m actuallly watching that one closely as well…

My guess is the courts further restrict the rights of illegals rather than expand them…

Best case for the liberals is that everything remains the same…

Which would mean illegals are not afforded full protection under the constitution, and that it remains limited…

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

I like them too, though they are not for those that do not put in a lot of practice as the DA is usually almost double the SA trigger pull and most can not adjust.

I have competed with one of mine. Here is a practice session.

And doing it left handed, just to make it fair!

 

[Wheels]

Rittenhouse was not in Illinois. He was in Kenosha Wisconsin which allows open carry. Rittenhouse was also not involved in protests. He was protecting a business from being looted and burned down.

I have come to the conclusion that I will never learn to read through all responses prior to posting. Obviously the above was covered already by multiple people.

PS: I may have the right to remain silent but not the ability.

 

[Saul]

Lol if the comparison was accurate. And its not.
Everyone just uses the holocaust like a weapon against white people.

While the end results of ww2 were bad. Why is it we only ever are allowed to talk about the jews that died?

Why not the millions of ethnic germans exterminated by the jewish bolshevics. Or the christians. The holodomor and starvation if an entire nation. All at the hands of a jewish bolshevic movement.
Or the war crimes commited by the allies or japanese. All get brushed aside for 1 small group to take center stage.

The german empire was overhtrown by bolsheviks.
The friecorp formed to fight them
Nsdap formed after with elements of friecorp and absorbed them. Becsuse they all saw what the civil war did after ww1 to germany.

Hell this convo is a prison sentance in 17 countries.

Germany may not have done things the best way (their first ootion was deportation to east africa but brits stopped it) but it is a natural reaction to an existential threat. And no one should be just killed for existing.

But when a problem is pervasive enough groups trend to paint with broad brushes.

And im not going to be burdend with another countries sins like its my fault it happened. USA liberated those ungrateful bastards. And we keep getting brow beat with it to accept our cultural extermination.
And if loving my nation (USA) culture and heritige makes me a bad guy. Ill wear that shoe whatever label you put on it.


All persons BORN or NATURALIZED in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


so no fam.... illegals are not constitutionally protected. And need be shown the door.

Why should I care? Not my country was not my time.

And we allow genocide to happen all the time without batting an eye. So who cares.
And why is it all the time used as a weapon against anyone politically to the right of lenin. And loves their country. Kick rocks with the manufactured outrage


I do side with taking people who are not here legally and not contributing to my country and sending them home. So they can fix their country instead of destroying mine

Seriously? What did I just read?

 

[Tanks]

because how do you get into another man’s head and know what is an honest mistake vs an intentional wrongful action

ICE seems to be making a lot of these "honest" mistakes. I am all for immigration enforcement, however it seems ICE is being very heavy handed in all this bordering on violating people's rights.

An American citizen should not be accosted in the street and asked to prove his citizenship despite what Noem says.

 

[WesRic404Jeff]

Seriously? What did I just read?

Good question!
But I've realized so much in the time I've been following here that honestly everything that's written here just has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[Scott CWO]

Yet, ICE doesn't seem to pay attention to it. An example...

US citizen says ICE removed him from his Minnesota home in his underwear after warrantless search

Federal immigration agents have detained a U.S. citizen in Minnesota at gunpoint without a warrant

abcnews.go.com

If true, so then we shouldn’t enforce any laws because there’s a chance that someone makes a mistake??

 

[Altitude sickness]

One of many, the running joke about these particular Sig 320’s is;
“I love my 320 it’s very reliable. It goes off 101% of the time”

I am not an Sig hater. I love my Sig 1911